[_ Old Earth _] Salt may be pre flood

[Quid]

Wrong :/ Other than wild unsupported speculation, you've done nothing to disprove an old Earth.

Science isn't about proof. If you claim that salt could nort come up in the ancient mist, evidence your claim. If you claim there will be a physical only future, support your claim. Otherwise, your wild unsupported so called science is falsified.
Those who admit to beliefs, like those who believe the bible do not make your wild, unsupported claim of being science. Those who do, for their beliefs, like you, and your old age ones, better evidence it, and show some testibility, and observation, etc. since you lay claim to science!!!!

The burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim.

If you claim that salt rises in mists, then you prove it. Until then it's no more true than the flying spaghetti monster.

 

[dad]

Wrong, yet again :/

We have no reason to think the future will change. Do you? Err... maybe I shouldn't be asking YOU that question. No, we have no reason to think that the future will or even can change. Therefore, we must assume that it has not.

ASSUME is correct!!!! You can assume and believe all you want, but you never will back it up with support, observation, or evidence!
Other beliefs can assume and believe as well. Christians believe that the future will be quite different, and not one of death and decay as the present. We believe this universe will pass away, and a new heavens be revealed that are forever!
Beliefs are not science. Your belief isn't even supportable as a belief, like millions of bible believers beliefs are.
You are welcome to your beliefs, don't call them science, or it is patently false.

 

[dad]

...The burden of proof lies on the person who makes the claim.

If you claim that salt rises in mists, then you prove it. Until then it's no more true than the flying spaghetti monster.

You cannot prove that Granny Bacteria sprang from non life. Nor that the universe was in a speck, let alone what went on before that. Yet you claim these things. You cannot prove that the sun will burn out, and that the physical only temporary universe will be all that will be here in the future. You can assume, believe, and say 'gee, it just goota be like that'..but you never can evidence it, or prove it. It is you who claim the far past and future were PO, and it is you who fail the burden of proof. All your arguements are reduced to belief only. A belief compared to bible belief, that is hopelessly flimsy, and baseless, like your spagetti monster.

 

[Quid]

I don't recall claiming, or even saying any of that.

And at any point do you plan to prove your claim or just continue to make things up?

 

[Frost Giant]

ASSUME is correct!!!! You can assume and believe all you want, but you never will back it up with support, observation, or evidence!
Other beliefs can assume and believe as well. Christians believe that the future will be quite different, and not one of death and decay as the present. We believe this universe will pass away, and a new heavens be revealed that are forever!
Beliefs are not science. Your belief isn't even supportable as a belief, like millions of bible believers beliefs are.
You are welcome to your beliefs, don't call them science, or it is patently false.

Guess what I'm going to say. Yup, you're wrong for a 4th time.

Science makes assumptions, get over it. Science assumes that if there's no evidence for something, then it doesn't exist/is wrong/whatever.

 

[Loren Michael]

ASSUME is correct!!!! You can assume and believe all you want, but you never will back it up with support, observation, or evidence!
Other beliefs can assume and believe as well. Christians believe that the future will be quite different, and not one of death and decay as the present. We believe this universe will pass away, and a new heavens be revealed that are forever!
Beliefs are not science. Your belief isn't even supportable as a belief, like millions of bible believers beliefs are.
You are welcome to your beliefs, don't call them science, or it is patently false.

Guess what I'm going to say. Yup, you're wrong for a 4th time.

Science makes assumptions, get over it. Science assumes that if there's no evidence for something, then it doesn't exist/is wrong/whatever.

hey Dad, how do you define science?

 

[dad]

Guess what I'm going to say. Yup, you're wrong for a 4th time.

Science makes assumptions, get over it. Science assumes that if there's no evidence for something, then it doesn't exist/is wrong/whatever.

There is no evidence of a future that is physical only, it doesn't exist. Science makes assumptions, so called science is nothing but!

 

[dad]

hey Dad, how do you define science?

The root word there is knowledge. Not belief.

 

[dad]

I don't recall claiming, or even saying any of that.

And at any point do you plan to prove your claim or just continue to make things up?

You in the collective. The old age evos. Indeed they do claim these things "You cannot prove that Granny Bacteria sprang from non life. Nor that the universe was in a speck, let alone what went on before that. "
So which claim is it you mean now?

 

[Loren Michael]

hey Dad, how do you define science?

The root word there is knowledge. Not belief.

as long as we're getting to roots, how do you define knowledge? how to you acquire it and how do you use it?

 

[Frost Giant]

Guess what I'm going to say. Yup, you're wrong for a 4th time.

Science makes assumptions, get over it. Science assumes that if there's no evidence for something, then it doesn't exist/is wrong/whatever.

There is no evidence of a future that is physical only, it doesn't exist. Science makes assumptions, so called science is nothing but!

W-R-O-N-G

I see you still can't figure it out. Science assumes everything will stay physical because there's no evidence it won't. Rewording your assertion doesn't disguise it very well. You're still asserting that the future can or will become something other than the physical, which you must support. Asking for evidence that everything will stay physical won't change your claim.

 

[dad]

I see you still can't figure it out. Science assumes everything will stay physical because there's no evidence it won't. Rewording your assertion doesn't disguise it very well. You're still asserting that the future can or will become something other than the physical, which you must support. Asking for evidence that everything will stay physical won't change your claim.

My claim isn't science! Your claim isn't really either, but falsely claims to be!
Therefore the only burden of proof that could exist is on the one so called scientific claim!!! This is what demands evidence and can never produce it! We have been the victims of the greatest hoax in man's history!

 

[dad]

hey Dad, how do you define science?

The root word there is knowledge. Not belief.

as long as we're getting to roots, how do you define knowledge? how to you acquire it and how do you use it?

Well, I would lean to knowledge meaning someone actually knows something! In the case of the fantasy future, obviously, this is not the case!

 

[Loren Michael]

hey Dad, how do you define science?

The root word there is knowledge. Not belief.

as long as we're getting to roots, how do you define knowledge? how to you acquire it and how do you use it?

Well, I would lean to knowledge meaning someone actually knows something! In the case of the fantasy future, obviously, this is not the case!

...and how do you "know" something? what process do you use?

 

[Quid]

Congratulations dad, you've confirmed what everyone else will gladly confirm for you.

Science is one big assumption. But it's an assumption that's cured disease, raised the standard of living, and helped greatly in spreading the word of God no less.

And I have never made the claim that that's how the universe started, nor does evolution. Please stop putting words in my mouth and making up definitions for science.

 

[dad]

[quote="Loren Michael":31a5b]

hey Dad, how do you define science?

The root word there is knowledge. Not belief.

as long as we're getting to roots, how do you define knowledge? how to you acquire it and how do you use it?

Well, I would lean to knowledge meaning someone actually knows something! In the case of the fantasy future, obviously, this is not the case!

...and how do you "know" something? what process do you use?[/quote:31a5b]
Depends. If we want to know something about the physical only present, we might use the scientific method. If we wanted to know about the spiritual, and future, and past, we might use the read the bible method. These are a few biggies, as well as reason, logic, common sense, etc.

 

[dad]

Congratulations dad, you've confirmed what everyone else will gladly confirm for you.

Science is one big assumption. But it's an assumption that's cured disease, raised the standard of living, and helped greatly in spreading the word of God no less.

Yes, and helped motherhood and apple pie as well. It's great. But science is not the question here, it is the fringe elements called science, that claim old ages! Nothing wrong with observation, evidence, and well based assumptions! Like gravity, if we go up, we come down. But if you take a baseless assumption as your starting point, like an imaginary future of dark death, and that is PO, like the present, then it is very very very very different, abd a crime to call it, falsely, science.

[quote:5840a]And I have never made the claim that that's how the universe started, nor does evolution. Please stop putting words in my mouth and making up definitions for science.

[/quote:5840a]
Whether you know it or not, that claim is made, and in conjunction with evolution. Stellar evolution, and granny, upon which your evolution rests, as a pillar, and foundation. With no first lifeform appearing, you have no common ancestor to imagine mutating into all life on earth, or whatever you claim!

 

[Loren Michael]

[quote="Loren Michael":c52ec]

hey Dad, how do you define science?

The root word there is knowledge. Not belief.

as long as we're getting to roots, how do you define knowledge? how to you acquire it and how do you use it?

Well, I would lean to knowledge meaning someone actually knows something! In the case of the fantasy future, obviously, this is not the case!

...and how do you "know" something? what process do you use?

Depends. If we want to know something about the physical only present, we might use the scientific method. If we wanted to know about the spiritual, and future, and past, we might use the read the bible method. These are a few biggies, as well as reason, logic, common sense, etc.[/quote:c52ec]

and the scientific method? how do you use that?

 

[Quid]

Whether you know it or not, that claim is made, and in conjunction with evolution. Stellar evolution, and granny, upon which your evolution rests, as a pillar, and foundation. With no first lifeform appearing, you have no common ancestor to imagine mutating into all life on earth, or whatever you claim!

Oh really? Hold on just a second, let me pull out the dictionary.
Evolution:
Biology.
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.

Which part said God didn't create life?

 

[dad]

and the scientific method? how do you use that?

Not just how, but where. We use it in the present, physical only world where it belongs!