Satan

[journeymanisnothing]

meerkat05
The church I went to taught
1 ) Satan knows God better than we do.
and
2) Satan knows us better than we know ourselves.

I fully believed both of those things, but lets begin with what we clearly know.

Jesus said Satan never speak truth,
there is no truth in him.Jn.8:44

Therefore whenever he speaks about scripture he's lying.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen.3:5
Gen.3:4

That's opposite what God said so an easy lie to spot, but the devil also said,

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen.3:5

And that statement without Gods' previous command is 100% true because their eyes were opened and they became like God knowing good and evil. Satan lied by changing the reason God said it. So lets look ar what God said in Gen.3:22-23.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: vs.22
That's true.

and now, vs.22
( now that Adam knows good and evil )

lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live for ever vs.22
( to prevent Adam from partaking of a tree that gives eternal life )

Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, vs.23
( God separated him from it )

to till the ground from whence he was taken. vs.23
( to do some ground work on the substance he's made of.

I think God did what he did because Adam became aware of something he wasn't ready for and in his new condition. God was out of eyesight, but not earshot so to speak.

I think this is why Paul said,

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom.8;20

Jump in.

 

[meerkat05]

Jesus said Satan never speak truth,
there is no truth in him.Jn.8:44

This makes Jesus look like a lier then because Satan quotes scripture that is true when He gets tempted yet uses it to his own way and Jesus catches him on it 3 times. Matt 4:6 and up.
Luke 8:12 talks on satan coming to take the word out of our hearts. In Ezekiel satan was an angel so he had to know he truth. He used his freewill to chose wrong.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

This makes Jesus look like a lier then because Satan quotes scripture that is true when He gets tempted yet uses it to his own way and Jesus catches him on it 3 times. Matt 4:6 and up.
Luke 8:12 talks on satan coming to take the word out of our hearts. In Ezekiel satan was an angel so he had to know he truth. He used his freewill to chose wrong.

I agree and your example of Jesus being tempted is amazing. It shows our Savior prevailing over evil where people who disbelieved in him failed. like
Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit.....was led by the Spirit into the wilderness where for forty days he was tempted by the devil.
Lk.4:2 NIV
the LORD your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart Deu.8.2 NIV

for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. Lk.4::2 NIV
The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the LORD’s hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death.” Exo16:3

The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”Lk.4:3 NIV
Yea, they spake against God; they said, Can Godf urnish a table in the wilderness? Psa.78:19 NIV

So both Israel and Jesus in the world tempted by hunger. Israel fails, Jesus prevails this way,

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone but by every word of God. Lk.4:4

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Btw meerkat,
I forgot to ask if you used to be on the biblelforum that got hacked and taken over by people with nothing better to do. I remember your s/n from some where

 

[jasonc]

meerkat05
The church I went to taught
1 ) Satan knows God better than we do.
and
2) Satan knows us better than we know ourselves.

I fully believed both of those things, but lets begin with what we clearly know.

Jesus said Satan never speak truth,
there is no truth in him.Jn.8:44

Therefore whenever he speaks about scripture he's lying.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen.3:5
Gen.3:4

That's opposite what God said so an easy lie to spot, but the devil also said,

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen.3:5

And that statement without Gods' previous command is 100% true because their eyes were opened and they became like God knowing good and evil. Satan lied by changing the reason God said it. So lets look ar what God said in Gen.3:22-23.

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: vs.22
That's true.

and now, vs.22
( now that Adam knows good and evil )

lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live for ever vs.22
( to prevent Adam from partaking of a tree that gives eternal life )

Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, vs.23
( God separated him from it )

to till the ground from whence he was taken. vs.23
( to do some ground work on the substance he's made of.

I think God did what he did because Adam became aware of something he wasn't ready for and in his new condition. God was out of eyesight, but not earshot so to speak.

I think this is why Paul said,

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom.8;20

Jump in.

Ok plenty of liars in the government and people know the truth and lie .doesn't mean point one is negated.

Two while Satan isn't omniscient nor omnipresent that doesn't mean he doesn't know men and how to manipulate us and by using a demon sent to decieve every person assigned to them .

In either case it really doesn't change the point of that we without God and his Word can't beat the devil .


Satan looks for those he may devour . The devil's believe and tremble .a person will lie to gain power and control despite knowing the truth .

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Hi jasonc.
I know Satan can't defeat a believer who has a bear hug on Jesus. What made yiu think I didn't?
But as far as Satan knowing God, that's like saying "I know that guy in tv....uhh what's hus name."

Satan isn't crazy because he thought he could defeat God. He's insane because he thought he could get away with it.

One day he started looking in the mirror and forgot who he was and whi God was.
Did you read and understand my post?
I cited Eze.28. That's how many people fall away from God.
My pist is showing Satans' rebellion in Heaven and the earthly mirror counterpart.