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Bible Study Saving faith

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Khristeeanos

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I hope and pray that I am not overstepping my bounds by posting this. If I have Jason, please accept my personal apology.

Jason, you wrote in another thread:

what is saving faith?
I thought that this question is of the utmost importance and worth discussing.

Please post some verses that deal with being saved and faith from the Bible, concentrating on the New Testament Scriptures.
 
When I said please post verses, I was not limiting the posting to only Jason, this is for everybody. :)

Faith in the Gospels
Faith in the Epistles

Faith is what saves us (Ephesians 2:8-10), and I want the Bible to define what faith is.

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James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

We can conclude from the above that belief can be different then saving faith...what is the difference? One is born again and other isn't.

C. I. Scofield also makes notes on the difference of those who profess to believe and those who are born again.

TRUE BELIEVERS
"And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace" (Luke 7:50).

"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers" (Acts 2:42).

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand" (John 10:27-29).

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (John 6:37,39).

"And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut" (Matt. 25:10).

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ, unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference" (Rom. 3:22).

"Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." (Rev 19:7-8).

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine" (John 10: 14).

"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his" (2 Tim. 2:19).

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life" (John 6:47).

"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world" (John 17:24).

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you, will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6).

"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" (Heb. 10:39).

PRETENDERS
"Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, be continued with Philip. But Peter said unto him ... Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the *ht of God" (Acts 8:13,21).

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they bad been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us" (John 2:19).

"But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him" (John 6:64-66).

"Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not" (Matt. 25:11-12).

"Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers! how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (Matt. 23:28,33).

"And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness" (Matt. 22:11-13).

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matt. 7:22-23).

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" (James 2:14).

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance" (Heb. 6:4-6).

"Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him" (Heb. 10:38).

http://www.biblebelievers.com/scofield/ ... tly10.html

Paul spoke of "Believing in vain" (Cor. 15:2). This is non-saving faith. Though it has many marks of true saving faith, the evidence of temporary faith soon appears. It lacks the following characteristics of saving faith:
  • (1) continuance in trusting Christ, and in devotion to Him and His service;
    (2) desire to be useful in Christ's church;
    (3) attendance to Christian duty;
    (4) love of prayer and the Word of God and of assembling with God's people in worship;
    (5) devotion to loving the people of God as such;
    (6) progress in knowledge of self, sin, and the Savior;
    (7) progress in loving holiness and hating sin, with increased conviction of and humility concerning personal sinfulness.

Regeneration is inseparable from its effects, one of which is saving faith. Without regeneration it is morally and spiritually impossible to savingly believe in Christ. Except a man be born again, he cannot see, he cannot understand, he cannot come to Christ (John 3:3; 6:37, 44; 1 Cor. 2:14). Regeneration is the renewing of the heart and mind; and the renewed heart and mind must act according to their nature.

I hope this helps you understand why I believe what I believe.

jason

http://www.gracesermons.com/hisbygrace/faith.html
 
So what is the difference between a saving faith and mere belief? Does the Bible talk about this difference?
 
DIME Ministries said:
So what is the difference between a saving faith and mere belief? Does the Bible talk about this difference?

The problem is that people seem to think that faith is simply something that goes on inside of you, most specifically, believe certain ideas to be true.

I find it rather amazing that when people are confronted with this problem they retreat to the old: faith is (1) knowledge (2) assent, and (3) trust and use this response and that trust must be present for it to be saving faith But the problem here with this response, if you carefully think about it, is that this does not help them one single bit. Just exactly HOW do you go about trusting God/Jesus for salvation beyond mentally assenting to ideas and concepts about God?

There is only one answer: obey God. And as such obedience is not something in addition to faith but part of faith itself. When you believe something in everyday life you obey it to be true. In Christianity, saving faith is obedience to our truth - GOD.

The demons believed but do not have works.
 
Belief is a condition of the mind, faith is a condition of the heart. I agree with Adam's son obedience is the fruit of faith.

There are many believers but few are faithful.

with love and respect, andy153
 
I hate to put it like this, but do you think that obedience is a condition of salvation?

Deuteronomy 30:11-20 17 & 18
See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commands, decrees, and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to posses. But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed.

Philippians 2:12
...my dear friends, as you have always obeyed...continue to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...

Matthew 28:19,20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

John 14:15
If you love Me, you will obey what I command.

John 15:10
If you obey My commands, you will remain in My love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His love.

Acts 5:32
We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.

Romans 1:5
Through Him and for His name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.

Ephesians 5:5-7
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person, such a man is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

2 Thessalonians 1:8,9
He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of His power.

Hebrews 5:9
And, once made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him.

1 John 2:3, 4
We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in Him.

1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
 
DIME Ministries said:
I hate to put it like this, but do you think that obedience is a condition of salvation?

Deuteronomy 30:11-20 17 & 18
See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commands, decrees, and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to posses. But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed.

Philippians 2:12
...my dear friends, as you have always obeyed...continue to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...

Matthew 28:19,20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

John 14:15
If you love Me, you will obey what I command.

John 15:10
If you obey My commands, you will remain in My love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His love.

Acts 5:32
We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.

Romans 1:5
Through Him and for His name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.

Ephesians 5:5-7
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person, such a man is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

2 Thessalonians 1:8,9
He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of His power.

Hebrews 5:9
And, once made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him.

1 John 2:3, 4
We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in Him.

1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls. As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--things into which angels long to look. Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY." If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth (1 Peter 1).

Pursue peace with all men, and holiness without which no one will see the Lord. (Heb 12:14).
 
What?

Please tell me what point you are trying to make.
 
DIME Ministries said:
What?

Please tell me what point you are trying to make.[/quote

sorry posted in the wrong forum so so sorry this was supposed to go on the sabbath side again sorry
notaxbill
 
notaxbill said:
DIME Ministries said:
What?

Please tell me what point you are trying to make.

sorry posted in the wrong forum so so sorry this was supposed to go on the sabbath side again sorry
notaxbill
OK, no problem. That makes sense. :)
 
I belive in security of the believer .
But I believe also that paul preached it and then more or less
said live your life as tho you could lose it.
My total believe is both are right in a way.
man see's a person give their life to christ go to church stay for a while
and then fall away and no matter how much you visit them they will
not come back then you find out that a sin has crept into their lives
so man must conclude they have gotten away from salvation and are roaming
around lost as it were in darkness. This as a man lost we must conclude.
But only God can judge if they were ever really saved remember the story
of the garden birds steal some of the seeds and rocks will not let root take.
Also remember Jude said if a brother wanders from the truth and you restore him
you have saved a soul.So as men we must look at them as lost not condemned for
if they were of God. I will tell you that is not a good place to be wandering
around in sin. But if lost then lost still never really got it.
Now from Gods will he judges rightly and knows all .
This my take on a christian wandering in sin (I call it darkness).Who is sent to
punish wayward christians? In First cor it say there is so much sin among you that
a man would have his own fathers wife put such a one out of the church
(turn him over to the Adversery) to punish the flesh that God may have his soul.
Of course in 2nd cor He sent them to get him back lest he become to discourged.
See how much God loves us he has put in place for us a way to always bring us back.
In conclusion man would have to see from what we see they have fallen away.
God will judge rightly and will be the one to handle the problem as he deems necessary .
It ain't a good thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
My own children have been lost to me from time to time but never not my children.
As a earthly father I have made some mistakes in raising my children .
God makes no such mistakes. praise the Lord thank you Jesus.
FOr he said that work I started in you I will finish hallelujah and amen and amen.
 
Saving faith is to understand that the only thing able to save you is the blood of Christ.Saving faith is believing completely that nothing else can bring you eternal life.
 
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