[_ Old Earth _] Science fiction vs. science

[Heidi]

One first has to know the difference between science fiction and science before he can know the difference beteen facts and fantasy.

Science fiction deals in the imaginations, and fantasy. examples of this are:

1) "What if" King Kong ruled the world
2) "What if" humans could breed aliens (as in some science ficton movies
3) "What if" monkeys could turn itnto humans
4) "What if men came from Mars
5) "What if" men came from aliens
6) "What if" we all came from one fictitious beast who created all of us?


And on and on. Those are examples of fantasies that come from the imaginations of men. They are based on speculation and imagining what "could have" happened.

Science on the other hand, is based on what does happen in the real world because what does happen in the wreal world is called reality, not the imagination. That's also called observable phenomena.

The theory of evolution fits into the category of science fiction because monkeys breeding humans or turning into humans is not observable phenomena. Looking at an animal or human and imagining who its ancestors are, is fantasy, not fact.

Evolutionists have no facts, just very vivid imaginations. Their imaginations began with Darwin when he saw all sorts of different species and began imagining where they cam from. And once a fantasy has taken hold, then it ccannot be stopped.

So that led to looking for "evidence" that man came from an animal. That led to finding unidentifiable bones that could qualifie as a USO (unidentified stationary object). That again is no different than a child finding bones in the dirt and declaring they're anything he wants them to be. That's called fantasy, not fact.

And this is how the fantasy of evolution took hold. Evolutionists today are still looking at animals and imagining where they came from. So they haven't gotten out of the fantasy stage yet. And yet they still have no clue:

1) Who the first common ancestor was
2) How many comon ancestors there were
3) How many of these half-men, half-beasts walked the earth
4) When the first-speaking human came on the scene
5) Why no ancient peoples have never related stories about their vine-swinging ancestors
6) Why primates kept mutating into humans when they haven't since there have been witnesses

That's because these scenarios still exist only in their imaginations, not in reality. So the theory of evolution is a fantasy, not a fact, which many scientists are now acknowledging. It only took them over 150 years to see why animals don't breed humans when most children can probably explain why. ;-)

 

[Quath]

There was a time not long ago that Bible believing Christians said the exact same thing about a movable earth. They knew that the Earth did not move because the Bible says it doesn't. They said it makes no sense. It is obvious the Earth is not moving because we don't feel it. We don't feel a constant wind blowing past us either. Scientists who used telescopes could be seeing a distorted view of the solar system.

If you believed the Earth moved, you must be following Satan. After all, Christians had a great explanation for the motions of the planets and the sun. Angels moved them. So "Earth movement" is just science-fiction.

Yet, Christians were shown to be wrong. (And as a note, some Christians believed the Earth moved despite what the Bible said.) We are just redoing this whole senario again with a new scientific topic.

Some of the knowledge you are looking for is either irrelavant or just something that is a matter of opinion. For example, "How many of these half-men, half-beasts walked the earth?" Would it change your mind if we did estimate a number? Or do you expect for ever fossile of every "half-beast, half-man" to be found?

Or "When the first-speaking human came on the scene?" is a matter of opinion. I think chimps speak to each other. I see cats and dogs speak to each other. So this is a grey-area type of question.

Some of it is just understanding what evolutionists say like "Why no ancient peoples have never related stories about their vine-swinging ancestors ?" Do you really expect for people to carry forth stories that are hundred of thousands of years old?

Some of it is not understanding the data itself like "Why primates kept mutating into humans when they haven't since there have been witnesses?" Fossiles are a witness in a sense. Just like there are no witnesses of dinosaurs, but we know they existed from their bones.

 

[Heidi]

There was a time not long ago that Bible believing Christians said the exact same thing about a movable earth. They knew that the Earth did not move because the Bible says it doesn't. They said it makes no sense. It is obvious the Earth is not moving because we don't feel it. We don't feel a constant wind blowing past us either. Scientists who used telescopes could be seeing a distorted view of the solar system.

If you believed the Earth moved, you must be following Satan. After all, Christians had a great explanation for the motions of the planets and the sun. Angels moved them. So "Earth movement" is just science-fiction.

Yet, Christians were shown to be wrong. (And as a note, some Christians believed the Earth moved despite what the Bible said.) We are just redoing this whole senario again with a new scientific topic.

Some of the knowledge you are looking for is either irrelavant or just something that is a matter of opinion. For example, "How many of these half-men, half-beasts walked the earth?" Would it change your mind if we did estimate a number? Or do you expect for ever fossile of every "half-beast, half-man" to be found?

Or "When the first-speaking human came on the scene?" is a matter of opinion. I think chimps speak to each other. I see cats and dogs speak to each other. So this is a grey-area type of question.

Some of it is just understanding what evolutionists say like "Why no ancient peoples have never related stories about their vine-swinging ancestors ?" Do you really expect for people to carry forth stories that are hundred of thousands of years old?

Some of it is not understanding the data itself like "Why primates kept mutating into humans when they haven't since there have been witnesses?" Fossiles are a witness in a sense. Just like there are no witnesses of dinosaurs, but we know they existed from their bones.

Sorry, but the bible doesn't say that the earth is physically unmovable. It means that the foundations and properties of the earth that God created are fixed and unmovable. And that's why unbelievers don't understand the bible. They don't use spiritual discernment, only human wisdom which God says is foolish.

So it doesn't matter what Christians believe because Christians all disagree with each other. All that matter is God's word because only God's word is perfect and infallible.

 

[Featherbop]

So it doesn't matter what Christians believe because Christians all disagree with each other. All that matter is God's word because only God's word is perfect and infallible.

Everyone interprets whatever religious text they hold to. If christians or any religious group receive discernment and understanding from a god, they should agree. There is evidence against a god giving the correct discernment to its followers. A person does not come to a religion through personal contact or relationship with a god. They learn it from family and culture. A person often thinks what is true is what beliefs they were reared with. Suspcious.

They don't use spiritual discernment, only human wisdom which God says is foolish.

So this is to say you do not think that humans are to use reason? What about the scientific method? ...Common sense?

Why would a good god create beings with rational capacity for gaining knowledge and understanding and then call them foolish? Or do you think the devil created reason or something?

All that matter is God's word because only God's word is perfect and infallible.

Which one?

Science on the other hand, is based on what does happen in the real world because what does happen in the wreal world is called reality, not the imagination.

Right. Science deals with the common shared reality. It would cease to be science if it dealt with methods that do not work to explain that reality. Religion does just the opposite, hence, there are many religions.

The theory of evolution fits into the category of science fiction because monkeys breeding humans or turning into humans is not observable phenomena.

Listen, for the 57,000th time, humans did not evolve from monkeys. That is not in the Theory of Evolution. It just isn't.

You've been told this what seems like thousands of times. Wake up.

 

[Quath]

Sorry, but the bible doesn't say that the earth is physically unmovable. It means that the foundations and properties of the earth that God created are fixed and unmovable. And that's why unbelievers don't understand the bible. They don't use spiritual discernment, only human wisdom which God says is foolish.

So it doesn't matter what Christians believe because Christians all disagree with each other. All that matter is God's word because only God's word is perfect and infallible.

Christians back then believed they had spiritual discernment as well and they interpeted it as "physically immovable." Now that these Christians were proven false, future Christians changed the interpretation to fit with science.

Christians will do this once again once evolution is better understood by them. And they will see you as you see the Christians who said that the Earth was physically immovable.

 

[blunthitta4life]

Wow Heidi you don't know a single thing about evolution! :o Instead of actually taking the time to learn something, you stick your fingers in your ears, keep posting the same thing over and over, and put smileys after your posts : .

All you are doing is making Creationists like ignorant and childish, but keep it up! :D

 

[Heidi]

Listen, for the 57,000th time, humans did not evolve from monkeys. That is not in the Theory of Evolution. It just isn't.

You've been told this what seems like thousands of times. Wake up.

Nope. 1 Corinthians 11:19, "No doubt there will be divisions among you to show which of you has God's approval." So divisions don't mean there is no God, divisions show that only few will receive the Holy Spirit as Jesus tells us.

But unbelievers have no clue what the truth is. They don't know if Buddha is right, allah is right, if Jesus lived or not, if he performed miracles or not, if the apostles are telling the truth, which human being to believe, which primate created the human being, how many common ancestors ther were, when they lived, what words the first-speaking human said, what language he spoke, that animals can't breed humans, and on and on and on.

So unbelievers are in the dark aout the truth and therefore not credible enough to tell others that there is no God.

 

[Featherbop]

But unbelievers have no clue what the truth is. They don't know if Buddha is right, allah is right, if Jesus lived or not, if he performed miracles or not, if the apostles are telling the truth, which human being to believe, which primate created the human being, how many common ancestors ther were, when they lived, what words the first-speaking human said, what language he spoke, that animals can't breed humans, and on and on and on.

A person can use evidence for discerning fact from fiction.

Using a "holy spirit" does not work, as can be demonstrated. Many believe the HS is with them, but all those who claim this do not all agree. And there is no way to differentiate the ones who are supposedly correct, and the ones who are wrong. It is pathetic and unconvincing.

So unbelievers are in the dark aout the truth and therefore not credible enough to tell others that there is no God.

You are in the dark about very simple science claims and facts. You are not credible enough to tell others that science is wrong.

What I find so odd about creationists is that they, being usually christian(in my experience at least), make erroneous claims about even simple things they know nothing about, are shown the mistakes, and then lie with the same misinformation and strawmen as before.

The thing is, once they are shown their errors, and then continue to spout the same strawmen and whatnot, they cross from making a mistake to outright lying. And continue to do so without remorse.

The bible says lying is a sin, and that unrepentant sinners go to hell.

The thing is, if the above statement were true, most *christian* creationists would go to hell.