It seems that this post is directed at trinitarians. Trinitarians do NOT deny that Jesus is the Son of God...your post indicates that you misunderstand this. God, the Son, is a more accurate representation...both.
The Scriptures you posted do show that Jesus was the Son of God, I agree. I also agree that they show that Jesus is distinctively the Son, and in the case of the first verse that He was also God....with us.
Trinitarians admittedly do not have a full understanding of God...how can any man...but are unwilling to ignore those verses that show Jesus was/is God, and that speak of an eternal covenant, and of eternal salvation. So, though it remains unclear to all of us, both are Scriptural, and to choose only one is to ignore parts of Scripture.
To be fair, I think the beginning post should have listed all the Scriptures that show Jesus is God...or at least the ones you would suppose a trinitarian would use...and then show how Jesus is not God. And then, show how he is only the Son.
Okay, your first verse...
Matthew 1:23
Imagican wrote:
Now, since Christ states later that what He offered was NOT His own, but given Him of the Father it becomes perfectly clear that 'as God's representative', Christ WAS in essence God WITH us. For what He offered was offered FROM God NOT simply through the mouth of Christ. The Word IS the Word of God, offered us through His Son and His prophets. As this continues, I hope that at least some will see the 'reasoning' behind this understanding.
I offered the 'first' scripture to 'show' that Christ, in the flesh, had an earthly lineage.
Yes, Christ had an earthly lineage...
Hebrews 5:5
God appointed His Son to be High Priest and Saviour, as shown in the Scriptures
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Christ was God with us in the flesh, and had a lineage, AND as these verses show, He was also without lineage...he authored our eternal salvation. He did not have infirmities as earthly priests, and was not in need of forgiveness Himself...His sacrifice was purely for us. The fact that HE was God, the Son, is the reason He could do that.
Hebrews 7:11
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Aaron's order wasn't good enough, and Christ's order being without lineage from the start, was needed...due to not having infirimity...because it would be eternal blood being shed. That is why He came in the flesh, because the veil is in the flesh, and it is through the flesh of Christ we are able to come.
Hebrews 7:14-17
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Again both, but one is far more evident...He was made (HIGH PRIEST) after the order of His deity, not after His flesh which was out of Judah, not Aaron.
Hebrews 9:11-15
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
fulfill the promise of the new covenant
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Because of His order of priesthood through His deity, and His perfect condition, that is being without spot, our redemption is eternal. Now, those who are called may receive part of this eternal inheritance...which belonged to Christ alone because of his deity.
Hebrews 10:5-7
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Christ came in the body that was prepared for Him, and submitted to the Father for the purpose of being the Lamb. This was a covenant between them. While here, the Holy Spirit guided Him because He was submitted, and the will of the Father was accomplished by His sacrifice, and then He was raised. The three, working together in a distinctive manner, to save man. Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant. ALSO...
Hebrews 9:25-28
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
He is the eternal covenant, and eternal salvation
Hebrews 10:19-22
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
It is only by His flesh that we enter...the flesh that was the New Covenant. Christ did not need to enter by this veil, because He was/is God, THAT is how we are able to follow Him, through the veil, being sprinkled in our hearts with His blood, and washed with pure water.
Now, going back to Hebrews 1...
Hebrews 1:1-14
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
who is superior to the angels, as shown by seven passages of Scripture
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
He is appointed heir of all things because He is God, the Son, the Word by whom all was made...John 1
He is made more than the angels by inheritance...this refers to status/title...be evidence of His inheritance being by what He is made. This is my Son, today I have begotten thee...This speaks to Christ's incarnation, not His eternalness, through Judah, not Malchisedek. Verse 5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? This continues with Christ being deity as the Father, and higher than the angels...certainly not an angel, because the passage also says that He is the express image of the Father...deity. He was begotten eternally, because we know that God is eternal...Christ being is Son is also eternally begotten...this verse speaks to Christ's status very clearly when read in context with this passage, and the rest of Hebrews. The next verses in the passage make it clear to us....This is the Father speaking to the Son...The Father, who's will the Son has eternally covenanted together with to submit to Him in the flesh, for the purpose of sacrifice...
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But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
We see here that Christ is God, and the Father is the One who acknowledges this.
