Second Coming 2017 - 7 Yr Trib Nov.2010

[Vic C.]

Very nicely put, Osgiliath. ... and welcome back! Haven't seen you post in a while.

 

[Osgiliath]

Hi Vic. Good to see you again.

 

[Jon-Marc]

I have been studying this for 6 years. There are references to many other studies and links in my own. I give credit where it is due. Many of them you all will recognize. All the pieces finally fit. I wrote an article on my website that you can view here: http://www.conditionalsalvation.com/rapture_2010

It will just be easier than copying and pasting it.
Maranatha! Our Lord is coming back quickly.

I can only hope. That will mean that I will hear the trumpet sound, hear the voice of the arch-angel, and see Jesus as He descends with a shout, and then rise to meet Him in the air--just after the dead in Christ arise. 1 Thess. 4:16.17

 

[Nathan]

Can anyone tell me the time please....

 

[Theofilus]

Can anyone tell me the time please....

It's about 24 hours past the Rapture... Or 2 weeks, depending on when you looked at his site. Here's his last post.

THE MOON WAS SIGHTED DURING SUNSET IN ISRAEL THE EVENING OF SEPT.10 (7 hrs ahead of EST)!!! OFFICIALLY, WE HAVE UNTIL SUNSET ON THE 11TH (ISRAEL TIME), WHICH IS 11:51 AM EST SEPT.11, 2010. WAIT FOR IT SAINTS, IT'S NOT OVER YET!!!

That post was made on Sept. 10. If you go to his site today, you'll see this:

1) July 11, 2010 – Completion of 3 total solar eclipses

2) September 23, 2010 – The rapture of the church

3) November 2, 2010 -The beginning of the 7 Year Tribulation

4) April 15, 2014 – The beginning of the Great Tribulation

5) June 8, 2017 – The end of the 2,300th days

6) September 26, 2017 – The end of the 1,260th day

7) September 30, 2017 – The Second Coming

8) October 26, 2017 – The end of the 1,290th day

9) December 10, 2017 –The end of the 1,335th day

He updated that on Sept. 20 and moved the date of the Rapture to... uh... yesterday.

 

[watchman F]

Originally Posted by XTruth
I have been studying this for 6 years. There are references to many other studies and links in my own. I give credit where it is due. Many of them you all will recognize. All the pieces finally fit. I wrote an article on my website that you can view here: "Once Saved, Always Saved" Destroying A Doctrine Of Demons - 2010 RAPTURE

It will just be easier than copying and pasting it.
Maranatha! Our Lord is coming back quickly.

"IS THE RAPTURE IN 2010?"
I fully expect you to defend your six years of study Sept. 24th 2010.

If the Tribulation begings in 2010, and ends in 2017 the the rapture would be at Christ's return uin 2017, not in 2010.

 

[Nathan]

Tis a pity. I read through some of the other posts by him also. I hope he is doing ok. It would be hard on a guy to be so convinced of something and it not happen.

I have more compassion for people like him because they are anxiously awaiting our Saviors return. I am sickened by the people who could care less.

Hopefully he is indeed back under a different name and we can all show him the love of God.

My post could come across sarcastic, and truthfully it was, but in my heart I was just playing around. I should have understood more about the situation before I spoke. I did not realize he was so convinced of this idea.

 

[Bazz1040]

I have been studying this for 6 years. There are references to many other studies and links in my own. I give credit where it is due. Many of them you all will recognize. All the pieces finally fit. I wrote an article on my website that you can view here: www.conditionalsalvation.com/rapture_2010

It will just be easier than copying and pasting it.
Maranatha! Our Lord is coming back quickly.

Hi,I find it amazing how we never seem to learn from the mistakes of others. Jesus plainly told us that no one knows the time when Jesus will return. What we should be doing is proclaiming the government of God to the world.

 

[watchman F]

Hi,I find it amazing how we never seem to learn from the mistakes of others. Jesus plainly told us that no one knows the time when Jesus will return.

I emboldened the part I want to question........... Did Jesus really make the plain statement you claim He did?

 

[Ashua]

2017 is an interesting number though. I haven't gotten to read your reasoning; but I'm gonna quote myself from the Abomination of Desolation thread: The Prophet Daniel made time sensative prophecies which have since come true according to the chronology. (Such as mathematically predicting when Christ would come. We can test and affirm that his timing is true. Daniel, however is a very very cryptic prophet who most cannot understand and even those who feel they do often do not. The Jewish rabbis who make their boast of the scriptures often stay away from touching Daniel's oracles. )

Daniel 9:24-27

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 12:11

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

Is this a time sensitive end of days prophecy? I have to study more into this one. Nonetheless, it is relevant to this discussion for the first part. It creates a sequential time window context for the abomination of desolation.

Anyways, take this with a grain of salt. I am just thinking about this verse... I'm not saying this is what I think for sure but....

If the dome is the abomination, and it was built from A.D 685 to A.D. 705. and Daniel says blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.. And these days mark the "end of days" where day (Hebrew yom) can mean year.... Then...

***Conversions of Old testament Lunar calendar years to Gregorian calendar solar years: Amount of lunar years multiplied by .9857 = Amount of solar years.

.9857(1,335) +685 = A.D. 2000.9

.9857(1,335) +705 = A.D. 2020.9

Could it be that we are halfway into a 20 year window in which the return of the LORD and tribulation period will occur? It certainly lines up with the theory that the 7 day week is prophetic of 6,000 years since creation + the millennial kingdom (sabbath). "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man," Is a Jewish IDIOM which refers to Yom Teruah (Day of Trumpets) and I believe also has a meaning to do something with marriages. (The wedding feast maybe? Daniel did use the word consummation)

Furthermore, I am just considering a possible 20 YEAR time window. Not a specific date. I don't know for sure. Now it is about to become even more odd... The December 2012 speculation says that we will enter into a "new age" of this world. I dont take the Myans for theological relevance, but perhaps they did know something. If you round Dec 2012 up to Jan. 2013 and add 7 years (duration of the tribulation) then you arrive at 2020... This all sort of came to me while answering this question. Food for thought.




***Sir Isaac Newton, according to some sources also came to the conclusion that 2013 would be the end time. This is also in sync with what I have looked at. Of course Newton is the least of my evidence (not proof, but evidence) It just adds to it as he was a very prudent mathematician and theologian. I do not know how he came to his conclusion either, but I suspect it was by Daniel's prophecies.)

I am not a date setter. Still, this does raise an eyebrow. If you see an error in this, correct it by all means.

 

[Theofilus]

***Conversions of Old testament Lunar calendar years to Gregorian calendar solar years: Amount of lunar years multiplied by .9857 = Amount of solar years.

.9857(1,335) +685 = A.D. 2000.9

.9857(1,335) +705 = A.D. 2020.9

You're forgetting leap years. We add one day to our Gregorian calendar every 4 years to keep it in line with the seasons. If we based calculations of long periods of time (like thousands of years) only on the length of regular (non-leap) years, then our calculations would be wrong. The biblical calendar is even farther off from the exact solar year than the Gregorian calendar and if we base our calculations only on regular years, without taking leap years into account, then we will be even furthur off in our calculations.

Leap years in the biblical calendar are a bit different from what we're used to using. Each month always started with the sighting of the first cresent of the new moon, but the first month had to be the month during which the barley crop would ripen. When the year got so far off that the barly crop wasn't starting to ripen at the end of 12 months, an extra month was added to correct for it. So, although any individual year may be shorter than a solar year, over longer periods of time, the average length come out to be the same, just like our Gregorian calendar is off but is correct over longer periods of time.

 

[Ashua]

Yes, but even if you calculate all the leap years from A.D. 705 to A.D. 2020, that is only 328.75 additional days... Less than one year and still within the time window of this theory.

 

[Ashua]

What about the lunar year being around 11 days shorter than the solar year - and factoring in unpredictable variances such as siting the new moon a day late (due to cloudy weather, or simple human errror)

As you know, Islam also is ruled by the lunar calender and the new moon is not always spotted on the first day of the month - in addition, differnt locatrions spot the moon on different days - for example, this year ramadhaan started on aug 10 for the saudis, but the rest of the Muslim world didnt start ramadhaan until aug 11

Correct. This is why no one can really say with pinpoint certainty. (however whichever year it is, I'm willing to bet you it will fall on Yom Teruah) The conversion figure I used. (.9857) is not exact because as you say, the spotting of the new moon is variable. However, according to the Law of Large Numbers, over larger quantities of time, the over/under averages begin to thread together more tightly than if you only look over a small period of time. Additionally, modern science allows for knowing the phase, negating human error.

I don't know if I am explaining this well enough, but small variations over larger amounts of time tend to balance out. For every time the moon was spotted late there was probably a time it was spotted early. Spread out over the centuries, the differences are negligible.

I don't know if Islam has different systems which certain sects adhere to, but I do know modern Judaism observes the Biblical feastdays on an unbiblical timing system. The Karaites have it right as far as I know in that the (Dates based on the discovery of Aviv barley) Modern Judaism observes Yom Teruah (renamming it Rosh Hashannah) as the "new year" when Moses said that Aviv leading into Passover is the new year.

So, modern Judaism also celebrates two days for their feasts. (1 day in Jerusalem and 1 additional day everywhere else) Is that how Islam does it?

 

[Ashua]

Additionally, I believe one of the years coming up (within that window) is a year in which we know of two eclipses that will occur. one of a blackened sun and of a blood red moon as the scriptures declare. As for the Jewish calendar, prince Hillel II, one of the last in the line of David calculated a calendar that was good until the Jewish year 6,000.

 

[Theofilus]

Yes, but even if you calculate all the leap years from A.D. 705 to A.D. 2020, that is only 328.75 additional days... Less than one year and still within the time window of this theory.

You can't add Gregorian leap years to a Hebrew calendar. When you add the leap years the biblical calendar uses (a month added when needed) over longer periods of time (hundreds or thousands of years) the length of the year averages out to be the same as a solar year. If you use a solar year (365.25 days) in your calculations, you will not be off by more than a month. If a specific date is given, then you can adjust for the extra/missing days or weeks.

 

[Ashua]

I understand what your saying about the human error aspect averaging out over long periods of time -

But the system employed by the jews (and later adopted by Muslims) puts the human witness above calculations, so if the moon is calculated and predicted by astronomers to appear on say the 15th - if the moon is not witnessed by 2 or more compitent males, the month does not start officially - so the eye witness supercedes the science - but science is used in order to facilitate a more accurate eye witness.

In addition - there is a period of about 3 days when the new moon is spotable in one region of the world, but not in others - so jews in chile may spot the moon and start the new month at that point, but the new moon wont be visable in Jerusalem for 2 or even 3 more days. So this brings up the question of from where in the world is the calculation good for?

In Islam we too have 2 feasts - Eid ul Adha - celebrating Abrahams(AS) sacrafice, and Eid ul fitr - celbrating the end of ramadhaan and the new year. There is no sectarian differnce in the moon sitings - just methodology differences - and scholarly differences of oppinion - Some scholars say if the moon is sighted in part of the world its good for the world - others have said "The Horizon is not unified" meaning, that each local must spot the moon seperately, so if Rochester NY spots it, but NY city does not - NYC must wait to start the new month since rochester is not visable from NY. Every year, Muslims in differentt countries are celebrating Eid ul fitr at different times - even in the same city. This year, the local mosque went with Saudi and fasted a day early and ended a day early - while myself, and many other Muslims in town celebrated Eid a day after them - we do this because its obligatory to spot the moon, and we go with the local sighting methodology.

Quick side questions - do the jews celebrate abrahams(AS) sacrafice with a feast?

Okay, so if the traditional human observation is to be the authority (and I agree with your sentiment on it.) then from what I take it, your asking who's time zone or regional perception counts? Why the new moon can be spotted in India and not in NYC and so fourth?

As far as Judeo-Christianity goes, I think it is certainly correct to say that Jerusalem is the focal point for official count downs. God, in his word ordained Jerusalem to be a "House of prayer for all people." It is at the mount of Olives that Christ's feet will touch down at his second coming. Jerusalem is the theological center of this planet.
As for islam, I know that muslims greatly esteem Jerusalem as either their second or third most sacred Holy site, but as far as the quranic ordinance concerning the timings of feasts... I don't know if the quran even touches on that subject in the same meticulous way as the Torah defines the timing of the seven feast days given by Moses.

To answer your question about if Jews formally celebrate the feast of Abraham's offering of Isaac, I do not think so. It certainly isn't a Biblically ordained feast to be celebrated. It is possible they celebrate it extra-biblically such as purim and channukah, but I don't think so.

I think it's probably prudent to also say that Jews and Christians in a "way" do celebrate this event when they celebrate Passover. We believe that Abraham offering up Isaac (his only son at the time) was a shadow forecasting when God would offer Christ. The angel commanded Abraham to stop and instead offer the ram which God had provided to die in Isaac's place. So, in Christ, God has provided a lamb in place of the sons of men.

Christ is the Passover lamb. The "Lamb of God".

 

[Ashua]

You can't add Gregorian leap years to a Hebrew calendar. When you add the leap years the biblical calendar uses (a month added when needed) over longer periods of time (hundreds or thousands of years) the length of the year averages out to be the same as a solar year. If you use a solar year (365.25 days) in your calculations, you will not be off by more than a month. If a specific date is given, then you can adjust for the extra/missing days or weeks.

Yeah, so regardless the "standard error", the entire range of error is insignificant. When talking about a 20 year period, the calendar conversion won't really affect anything.

 

[Theofilus]

In addition - there is a period of about 3 days when the new moon is spotable in one region of the world, but not in others - so jews in chile may spot the moon and start the new month at that point, but the new moon wont be visable in Jerusalem for 2 or even 3 more days. So this brings up the question of from where in the world is the calculation good for?

In biblical times witnesses reported sighting the new moon to the Sanhedrin. Once two or more reliable witnesses had reported seeing the new moon, the Sanhedrin declared the beginning of a new month. If nobody saw the new moon on the evening of the 29th day of the month, a new month was declared at the end of the 30th day, whether anyone saw the new moon or not. Since the Sanhedrin was in Jerusalem, the people sighting the new moon had to be close to Jerusalem to be able to report it. Most Christians and Jews who today go by the sighting of the new moon use Jerusalem as the place for sighting. There are a number of websites that post such reports and you can also get newsletters about it. There are some who use calculations to base their calendar on and a few who sight the new moon from their location, but most use Jerusalem.

 

[Theofilus]

yeah I understand that jews go by Jerusalem sightings - I brought that up as Ashua did not determine from where in the world he based his calculations on.

Im assuming its Jerusalem.

And as far as the 30th default day of it automaticly being the new month - We do the same thing - its only logical, why wait 2, 3, or 4 days when a month can only have 29 or 30 days in it.

Since you mention the Muslim calendar, I'm curious. How does the Muslim calendar work? Is there no correction (leap years) to keep certain months in certain seasons? Is it just 12 lunar months and will a specific month go through all the seasons over time?