Second Epistle Of Peter

[VirginShallConceive]

"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord," -2 Peter 1:1-2


In 2 Peter 1, verses 1-2 clearly give the impression that it is actually Peter who authored what is known to Christians as The Second Epistle Of Peter. It seems that most modern biblical scholars agree that this epistle could not have been authored by Peter. Well, I found an interesting essay that argues for a perspective that Peter is the author:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031209164253/http://www.bible.org/docs/soapbox/2petotl.htm


"There are a number of considerations which suggest that Peter did, indeed, write this book. Our discussion will begin with the external evidence, then move to a consideration of the internal." -Daniel B. Wallace, Ph.D.

 

[Mitspa]

There is not a debate on this epistle!
"did God really say" is at the heart of all satans attacks upon Gods people.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

There is not a debate on this epistle!

Well, there is now!
And you're already involved!

"did God really say" is at the heart of all satans attacks upon Gods people.

This sounds like something that David Koresh would say. Am I supposed to blindly accept this?

 

[P31Woman]

I'm familiar with Bruce Metzger. My eyes are too pooped out to read the entire article tonight. I will try to give it a shot tomorrow.

Who knows I may agree with it.

 

[P31Woman]

Odd you posted this thread. I was just thinking about doing an indept study of Peter's works.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

I'm familiar with Bruce Metzger. My eyes are too pooped out to read the entire article tonight. I will try to give it a shot tomorrow.

Who knows I may agree with it.

Hi.

Thanks for stopping by. Yeah, I find the whole scholarly debate interesting. Maybe that's why I mostly hang out in Apologetics & Theology.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Odd you posted this thread. I was just thinking about doing an indept study of Peter's works.

Yeah, I found this article interesting. But, if you choose to go ahead with your indept study, I wouldn't feel like you were stepping on my toes. All I did was just post a link. I didn't do much work, I admit.

 

[John 8:32]

There is not a debate on this epistle!
"did God really say" is at the heart of all satans attacks upon Gods people.

Not often we agree but on this point Mitspa, we are not only on the same page, we are reading the same sentence.

 

[Mitspa]

Not often we agree but on this point Mitspa, we are not only on the same page, we are reading the same sentence.

Yep, this is the heart of every attack on the truth.
Must be something in that epistle that overthrows some doctrine that some are trying to bring into the Chruch?

This epistle has been found through out the biblical world and in the oldest Greek and Latin manuscripts. Its is not in debate and cannot be challenged by anyone.
I do believe that the rules of this forum attempt to protect the bible and those on this forum from such nonsense?

These kind of people are those that can really mess with young believers and even can cause them to fall from faith.

It would be better that a man was never born than to cause one of His little ones to stumble.
(but they probably dont think that scripture is valid either?)

 

[P31Woman]

Yep, this is the heart of every attack on the truth.
Must be something in that epistle that overthrows some doctrine that some are trying to bring into the Chruch?

This epistle has been found through out the biblical world and in the oldest Greek and Latin manuscripts. Its is not in debate and cannot be challenged by anyone.
I do believe that the rules of this forum attempt to protect the bible and those on this forum from such nonsense?

These kind of people are those that can really mess with young believers and even can cause them to fall from faith.

It would be better that a man was never born than to cause one of His little ones to stumble.
(but they probably dont think that scripture is valid either?)

When Satan attacks we do what Jesus taught us to do by example. We use scripture.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Yep, this is the heart of every attack on the truth.
Must be something in that epistle that overthrows some doctrine that some are trying to bring into the Chruch?

This epistle has been found through out the biblical world and in the oldest Greek and Latin manuscripts. Its is not in debate and cannot be challenged by anyone.
I do believe that the rules of this forum attempt to protect the bible and those on this forum from such nonsense?

These kind of people are those that can really mess with young believers and even can cause them to fall from faith.

It would be better that a man was never born than to cause one of His little ones to stumble.
(but they probably dont think that scripture is valid either?)

Well that's all fine and dandy, because the article that I posted a link to is defending your position.

I repeat:

Your position.

 

[Mitspa]

When Satan attacks we do what Jesus taught us to do by example. We use scripture.

Yea I would like to see satan tell Jesus that those scriptures he quoted were not really scripture? Jesus would have laughed at him!
This is what should be done to all those who attempt this kind of nosense, no one should take them serious. The only reason I responded, was I was shocked to see it on this forum, that claims to honor the scriptures?

 

[P31Woman]

Well that's all fine and dandy, because the article that I posted a link to is defending your position.

I repeat:

Your position.

That is the truth!

 

[Mitspa]

Well that's all fine and dandy, because the article that I posted a link to is defending your position.

I repeat:

Your position.

Why start a debate where there is nothing to be debated? unless one is just trying to bring up doubts and cover it up by trying to appear to take both sides of an issue?

Did God really say? is still at the root of the debate no matter how one attempts to cover it up.

There is a alot of issues to debate in the scriptures and even in the manuscripts but they do not challenge the very foundations of our faith. This whole topic could cause great harm to those who have little understanding of the scriptures and how they have been brought to us. This is why I made my point!

 

[P31Woman]

Reading the link in the OP will only HELP young converts.

To be perfectly honest with you most young converts won't take the time to read that link.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Why start a debate where there is nothing to be debated?

Why hang out in Apologetics & Theology if you can't handle scholarly questions? I could go anywhere in Apologetics & Theology and pretty much find opposing views. Because of this, there is a "bright side" for you to look at. No matter which side you agree with, you will never be alone.

Maybe you need to go to a safe haven in this forum . . . perhaps Young Earth Creationism. There, you will be far away from the dangers of Lucifer & his minions.

 

[Deborah13]

When Satan attacks we do what Jesus taught us to do by example. We use scripture.

I found this interesting too. I just used 2 Peter 2:4 to support that not all angels obey God and would be judged. Hmmm....

 

[Agape]

"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord," -2 Peter 1:1-2


In 2 Peter 1, verses 1-2 clearly give the impression that it is actually Peter who authored what is known to Christians as The Second Epistle Of Peter. It seems that most modern biblical scholars agree that this epistle could not have been authored by Peter. Well, I found an interesting essay that argues for a perspective that Peter is the author:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031209164253/http://www.bible.org/docs/soapbox/2petotl.htm


"There are a number of considerations which suggest that Peter did, indeed, write this book. Our discussion will begin with the external evidence, then move to a consideration of the internal." -Daniel B. Wallace, Ph.D.

His authorship of both epistles is argued http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Petrine_epistles

 

[Mitspa]

Why hang out in Apologetics & Theology if you can't handle scholarly questions? I could go anywhere in Apologetics & Theology and pretty much find opposing views. Because of this, there is a "bright side" for you to look at. No matter which side you agree with, you will never be alone.

Maybe you need to go to a safe haven in this forum . . . perhaps Young Earth Creationism. There, you will be far away from the dangers of Lucifer & his minions.

Like I said nothing is in debate about this epistle, and satan always uses the same tactics? " Did God really say"

I found another tactic he likes to use is to insult others and provoke them to respond to those insults.

deception, bitterness and pride are his ways. Gods ways are truth and love and an humble heart.

2 Peter has not and is not in debate, nor can it be challenged by any.
It is in the oldest Greek and Latin manuscripts. It has been held as Holy Scripture since any history of the New Testament has been known. The attempt to cast doubt upon this epistle should not be allowed on a Christian forum, in my opinion.

See, I get to express my opinion also. lol

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Like I said nothing is in debate about this epistle, and satan always uses the same tactics? " Did God really say"

I found another tactic he likes to use is to insult others and provoke them to respond to those insults.

deception, bitterness and pride are his ways. Gods ways are truth and love and an humble heart.

2 Peter has not and is not in debate, nor can it be challenged by any.
It is in the oldest Greek and Latin manuscripts. It has been held as Holy Scripture since any history of the New Testament has been known. The attempt to cast doubt upon this epistle should not be allowed on a Christian forum, in my opinion.

See, I get to express my opinion also. lol

Hey, I'm glad you came in here causing a big ruckus. You provided enjoyable entertainment, as far as I'm concerned. Your opinion is always welcome. And guess what? We can even see some posters agreeing with you from time to time. I ain't mad at ya. The gentleman, Daniel B. Wallace, whose article I posted, agrees with you. He has a different approach than you, however. You see, he realizes that there is a debate, so he is trying the most polite and convincing way that he knows in an honest attempt to get people to listen to him. Everyone has a different style. My style might be more like yours than it is his, for all I know. Like I said, I ain't mad at ya.