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[Elijah674]

--Elijah here:

Christ Documents what our 'Spiritual' diet is to be in Matt. 4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (All 66 Books! See Job 23:12 + John 1:1-3)

And required again for Doctrine + is 2 Tim. 3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

And the WARNING of all false doctrine described as vomit, and how to by/pass this with these satanic workers? we see again Isa. 28 DOCUMENTATION....

[7] But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

[8] For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
[9] Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. (and Heb. 5 finds these ones moving on to Rev. 18:4!)

[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
(Exactly as is described above!)


And David tells us of Christ's Very Own in His day while on earth.. in prophecy, and where were they then supposed to befed 'spiritually?' In Christ's Sanctuary or the 'Spiritual Bread Table!
Note Psalms 69 with Christ's future Prophecy in verses 20-28 with the rejection that followed His Matt. 23:38's Abdominal ex/House or Vineyard...

Psalms 69
[20] Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.
[21] They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
[22] Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.
[23] Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.
[24] Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.
[25] Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.
[26] For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.
[27] Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
[28] Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.


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SAVE FOR DEFINING. The Word Of God IS IT OWN HERMENEUTICS! Matt. 4:4, 2 Tim. 3:16 + Isa. 28:7-10

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[Jake]

How come you just didn't say the Bible interpets itself?

Or am I missing something?

 

[Elijah674]

How come you just didn't say the Bible interpets itself?

Or am I missing something?

I just did!;)

 

[cyberjosh]

Hi Elijah,

I find it interesting how you tie the mention of bread to God's word and biblical doctrine. I have a similar understanding of the spiritual application of the meaning of 'bread' in many scriptures. I am curious what your view is on John chapter 6 when Jesus speaks of eating his flesh and drinking his blood and where he says, "For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" (vs. 55), where I - after carefully considering the context - have determined that Jesus is speaking of His own words and teachings (which come from the Father), therefore His flesh which is food (and at the Lord's supper it is specifically spoken of as bread) symbolizes the spiritual substance of His words, in my understanding, by which we can receive eternal life if we partake and 'eat' of it.

What is your take on that?

God Bless,
~Josh

 

[Elijah674]

Hi Elijah,

I find it interesting how you tie the mention of bread to God's word and biblical doctrine. I have a similar understanding of the spiritual application of the meaning of 'bread' in many scriptures. I am curious what your view is on John chapter 6 when Jesus speaks of eating his flesh and drinking his blood and where he says, "For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" (vs. 55), where I - after carefully considering the context - have determined that Jesus is speaking of His own words and teachings (which come from the Father), therefore His flesh which is food (and at the Lord's supper it is specifically spoken of as bread) symbolizes the spiritual substance of His words, in my understanding, by which we can receive eternal life if we partake and 'eat' of it.

What is your take on that?

God Bless,
~Josh

The posting sounds exactly as I see it. We may differ some with the O.T. Bread's 'testimony', (see 1 Cor. 10:1-4 forum) and as the Word of God by Johns pen has it? (John 1:1-5 + verse 14)

Such as requirements of the Sanctuary teachings. (Exod. 25:8-9 & its Eternal purpose of Psalms 77:13)

As we might not agree on the forty year testing? but the bread given from heaven called angels food by David has Christ symbolized as you seem to say. If so? Then yes, I surely agree.

That is part of the Everlasting Gospel of Rev. 14:6, huh?

OK: Now you post.. 'by which we can receive eternal life if we partake and 'eat' of it.
What is your take on that?'


I see the Lamb offering at the Altar of the Sanctuary pattern as the [first] requirement for ALL the rest of the requirements!;) Once the Lamb Sacrifice was offered by Faith for & 'IN' the future promise of Christ, the person was as seen in Rom. 8:1 with NO CONDEMNATION.


But that was not the REQUIRED end of it. In other words of mine, the WORD which IS THE BREAD that indeed does symbolize CHRIST, has one REQUIRED to Lovingly GO ON FORWARD. Verse 14 ibide.


In todays 'false' setting, we find that after Justification took place, one needed no more of Christ the Bread & Word. They to, can just turn around & go back home with just part of what they call the Eternal Gospel. But not in required Maturity is as 'i' see it. And are these ones safe to save? Nah. 1:9


--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah here:
This is part one of a post that I did elsewhere. It is just a little past in words allowed here. So will post in two parts.
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-Spiritual Bread-

John 6 (I am mostly only touching what caused verse 60 & verses 66-68's problem as seen here, as 'i' see it. But do remember breaking bread was just eating food in some other scriptures verses.)

[1] After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
[2] And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
[3] And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
(OK: when multitudes were present Christ taught in parables. Mark 4:33-34 + elsewhere!)
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[23] (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks
[24] When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.

[25] And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
[26] Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

[27] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but [for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you]: for him hath God the Father sealed.

(God has Eternally known who it is who will have Obedient Maturing Saving Working Faith, (Nah. 1:9) but not you! It would not be faith if we knew. These O.T. ones are ALL DEAD seen in Heb. 11:13, and died IN FAITH!)

[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

(Pay attention! 'Believe thee?' was their question. Christ will explain clearly what this means + what it meant! Matt. 4:4 & 2 Time. 3:16 + Isa. 28-10 are His Word in Documentation! But you will find it said that way only to His Disciples & the Born Again Spiritual ones, huh? Mark 4:11-12 + Matt. 13:34-36, Read John 16:7-8)

[30] They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
[31] Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

[32] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[33] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, [and giveth life unto the world].

[34] Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

[35] And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

(John 12:42-43 will tell you what 'believing on me' meant!)

[36] But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
[37] All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[39] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

(Two thoughts: Christ did His Father's 'will', and did not change the Eternal Covenant in the least, as some falsely teach. Mal. 4:6 & Heb. 13:8 is an Documented FACT! And the next verse also tosses out preterism.)

[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(Part two will follow)

 

[Elijah674]

[Part Two]

-Spiritual Required Bread-

[41] The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
[42] And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

[43] Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[45] It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

(What requirements does God the Father Require? See Isa. 42:21's work of Christ! Not Abolished or Finished!)
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[48] I am that bread of life. ( See Acts 4:12!)

[49] Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
[50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

(OK: As was the tree of life & the heaven sent manna (angels food! Psalms 78:25) both were removed by God, this Bread that is Christ must be eternally our loving diet! And the focal point is that one [MUST CONTINUE ON WITH THIS REQUIRED TRUTH (Rom. 8:14) that is at our disposal, if one will? Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9! And we must lovingly do so until death. Heb. 11:13s' True FINISHED MATURED FAITH!)

[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

[52] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
[53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. (See Rom. 8:1)

[57] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
[58] This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
[59] These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

[60] Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
[61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
[62] What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[64] But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
[65] And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

(Surely God & God in Christ has Eternally known who with have an Obedient Work Proven Faith up unto our end of life. And as seen in Gen. 6:3, mankind had 120 year of Noah's preaching with the Holy Spirits STRIVING to get inside their heart. ALL of mankind including the ones seen in ROM. 2:14-15 have had the CALL FROM GOD TO COME! [If they will!] Acts 5:32 is the Eternal Condition from our day one on.)

[66] From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

[67] Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will yea also go away?
[68] Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hats the words of eternal life.
[69] And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
[70] Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
[71] He space of Judas Escargot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

---Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

John 5

[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(One had best understand that this does not say that they will be resurrected at the same time! In fact we find that the righteous & the wicked will be resurrected 1000 years apart. Note Rev. 20:4's latter part of the verse + verse 6 in the right context.

'.... neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

(verse 6 should be here, [scratch verse 6])

[6] This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(OK: Now for some more vital Truth!)

Matt. 16

[21] From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
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[22] Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
[23] But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
(and what do you hear about 16-19 ibid.? You know, mommy of Rev. 17:1?)

[24] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
[25] For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

[26] For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then He shall reward every man according to his works.
[28] Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

(When Christ comes again with His reward of life or death, (see Eccl. 12:13-14 for the only question asked! there will be many wicked who are dead & many more who will die their first death also, and [ALL] will be DEAD for the 1000 years until when Christ returns again at the end of the 1000 years, and then they all will have their resurrection to die again the Eternal second death according to their evil deeds. They will be judged at this time to suffer accordingly to their record books of evil works.)

2 Thess. 2:8-11 has it stated about the verse above, that these wicked .. 'There be some standing here' are [to be] D-E-A-D! .. and ALL of the other wicked who are dead stay dead. In other words during 1000 years [ALL WICKED ARE DEAD!] And ALL the saved have a part in the work of Judgement in their execution stage by record Books only! 1 Cor. 6:2-3.

Here are the 2 Thess. 2:8-11 verses:
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
(also note the time/period!)

[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan [with all power and signs and lying wonders,]
[10] And [with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,] that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

And friend, you are being all set up for this as we speak! It all follows Matt. 24:21!!

--Elijah



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