[_ Old Earth _] See the Movie EXPELLED - atheist darwinism vs God

[BobRyan]

In the movie Expelled interviews are done with Dr Richard Dawkins and Dr Provine (and others) to show just how explicit the attack on God has become via the tools of atheist darwinism.

The movie also shows how atheist darwinist attempted to co-opt science language in their story telling about how life started and how it changes over time.

There is also a statement from the head of the National Academy of sciences admitting that this attack on God would not have been carried out without mainline protestant and Catholic groups helping them out at every step. I hope the members of those groups see the movie and then get their leaders to stop advancing the cause of atheism. The result of that program in Europe has been a "post Christian culture" where church attendance is abysmal.

The movie gives a small glimps into the depths of censorship that the National Academy employs to shut good science out of the class room if that science dares to expose glaring flaws in atheist darwinism.

A must see movie!!

in Christ,

Bob

 

[John]

Yeah i know all about it, its not here in Canada tho GRRRR, and there are no torrents out yet

 

[freeway]

oh yea.. my daughter and I are goin... can't wait... :D

 

[John]

LUCKY BUGGER :p

 

[Patashu]

I have a hunch it'll never ever come to Australia, so I have to go by what everyone else is saying about it.

 

[Deep Thought]

Before you all get too excited, I urge you to have a look at http://www.expelledexposed.com/ to get a background to the lies and deception used in the film.

 

[Dunzo]

I have a hunch it'll never ever come to Australia, so I have to go by what everyone else is saying about it.

Whereabouts in Aus are you?

 

[Patashu]

I have a hunch it'll never ever come to Australia, so I have to go by what everyone else is saying about it.

Whereabouts in Aus are you?

Sydney, why?

 

[Dunzo]

I have a hunch it'll never ever come to Australia, so I have to go by what everyone else is saying about it.

Whereabouts in Aus are you?

Sydney, why?

Me too. Amazing.

 

[BobRyan]

Before you all get too excited, I urge you to have a look at http://www.expelledexposed.com/ to get a background to the lies and deception used in the film.

Another devotee to atheist darwinism bites the dust.

Notice that in the link above we have this low-brow pointless factless perspective as "all they can come up with" in just one of the examples --

http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.ph ... ruth/egnor

I have never read a more fact-challenged political diatribe in all my life -- but you can bet that these new "lows" will be brought to you by the devotees to atheist darwinism as they seem to excell at "propaganda arguments" over actual facts, appreaciation for science and the discussion of ideas on the open market.

Articles such as the one posted above CAN only appeal to the "already devoted dogmatist for atheist darwinism" because there is almost no objective review of anything allowed EVEN in that article!! How sad.

Would that ALL Christians were able to rise above that kind of ad hominem trashing of anyone that dares to expose the flaws, gaffs, blunders and hoaxes (as well a oppressive censorship) of atheist darwinism!

I highly recommend that all of you find a way to buy a copy of the movie when available or go see it -- then take a look at that low-brow link above "by comparison" .

Truly "instructiive".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

That last post brings up another point. The devotees to the dogma of atheist darwinism seem to struggle when it comes to things like "substance" whenever their jiihad tactics are exposed (kinda like Dawkins famous 11 second mental collapse when asked to give a specific example of evolutionary genetic information being added to a species over time).

What if they simply NEVER CAN master the concept of science and "substance"? What if they will simply "talk to themselves" as the link posted by DT appears to do?

Will we STILL find compromises among Christians who will slavishly follower their atheist darwinist leaders "no matter what"??

At some point those Christians would be expected to "wake up".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VaultZero4Me]

That last post brings up another point. The devotees to the dogma of atheist darwinism seem to struggle when it comes to things like "substance" whenever their jiihad tactics are exposed (kinda like Dawkins famous 11 second mental collapse when asked to give a specific example of evolutionary genetic information being added to a species over time).

lol

Aww, you bought into that buggery? You were lied to my friend.

First of all you friends flat out lied to Dawkins to get that interview. They pretended to be someone who they weren't. When they popped that question out, it hit Dawkins that they were creationists, and he realized he had been fooled. The few seconds was him realizing what was going on, and then you can see his face turn red as he gets angry.

Please watch the unedited clip. The one you have been watching is a complete lie.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

And please quit saying atheist Dawrinism. Get out of the 60's bro and enter 2000's. Those tactics are a bit outdated.

I am suprised that the many Christians on here who do actually read science books don't speak up a bit and quit letting people like this embarass the faith.

 

[Orion]

Yes, . . . "atheist darwininst" is a HUGE generalization of those who happen to agree with the theory known as evolution.

 

[BobRyan]

I SAW the video. The video did not lie it was dead on.

Dawkins could not even come up with a lame excuse for days. Then the BEST he could come up with was of the form "well I was thinking to myself that I thought these guys were yes-men and they turned out to be independant thinkers that wanted ACTUAL facts instead of more atheist darwinist dogman... how dissappointing. AFter all I envited them into my home -- by all rights they should have been YES-men".

He even proudly proclaims that he WANTED to end the entire interview once he found out these were not the blind-devotees to atheist darwinism that they proclaimed to be.

HOW SAD that Dawkins should give an interview to someone other than YES MEN??!!

How tragic that these independent thinkers would dare to ASK HIM For actual EXAMPLES.

How awful that HE should have to resort to the NON-ANSWER "it was in a book I wrote and STILL I could not come up with even ONE example".

Anyone with an ounce of objectivity is going to view the dodge and weave slippery excuses he gave for what they were -- only a devotee to atheist darwinism could ever have been "moved" by such non-answers.

A word to the devotees to atheist darwinist dogma here -- "allow yourselves the luxury of INDEPENDANT thought" while on this board.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

And please quit saying atheist Dawrinism. Get out of the 60's bro and enter 2000's. Those tactics are a bit outdated.

I am suprised that the many Christians on here who do actually read science books don't speak up a bit and quit letting people like this embarass the faith.

I encourage the devotees to atheist Darwinism to embrace some intellectual objectivity instead of coming back with hollow retorts devoid of facts.

The RECENT diatribe and jiihad of atheist darwinists against I.D has EXPOSED the "distinctively atheist" underpinnings of darwinism because these are examples were EVOLUTIONISTS are bashing OTHER EVOLUTIONISTS over the idea that INTELLIGENCE CAN BE DETECTED in nature.

This is a level of attack on the God of the Bible that Paul claims the PAGANS would have "no EXCUSE" for making in Romans 1.

In other words it is a DISTINTINCTIVELY ATHEIST argument that the darwinists have decided to make in that case. Their ONLY argument against this glaring FACT is that they have been able to dupe a few Christians to unwittingly join them in attacking the Romans 1 fact of "THE INVISIBLE ATTRIBUTES of God clearly SEEN IN the things that have been made" EVEN by godless pagans (as Paul points out).

And so it comes as NO surprise that DARWIN dumped Christianity for his brand of story telling and the key figures like Dawkins ANd Provine BODLY admit to the SAME underlying theme playing out in their own lives.

Darwinism is now SO BLATANT in it's attack on the God of the Bible that only the old devotees remain "blind" to it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VaultZero4Me]

The RECENT diatribe and jiihad of atheist darwinists against I.D has EXPOSED the "distinctively atheist" underpinnings of darwinism because these are examples were EVOLUTIONISTS are bashing OTHER EVOLUTIONISTS over the idea that INTELLIGENCE CAN BE DETECTED in nature.

If by this you mean ID, then you are sorely mistaken. They were not evolutionist. They were a propaganda machine attempting to thwart science education.

The bashing was done purely by showing how bad the "science" of ID was.

Anytime someone brings God into the class room through misusing science they will be rejected by the scientific community and batted down in the courts.

(edited out "Cite please" since it dawned on me you meant ID.)

 

[BobRyan]

I have reams of data on this evolutionist-on-evolutionist bashing of atheist Darwinism vs I.D Evolutionism -- I have no intention of flooding this subject thread with it without an ACTUAL question.

Please try to present some kind of actual argument -- I will be glad to respond to it.

in christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The RECENT diatribe and jiihad of atheist darwinists against I.D has EXPOSED the "distinctively atheist" underpinnings of darwinism because these are examples were EVOLUTIONISTS are bashing OTHER EVOLUTIONISTS over the idea that INTELLIGENCE CAN BE DETECTED in nature.

If by this you mean ID, then you are sorely mistaken. They were not evolutionist.

Sadly it is you who are mistaken.

Bible believing Christians will often argue that God created the World and all life on this planet in 6 days and rested the seventh-day. They will argue that the Genesis account is accurate - correct, reliable and trusthworhy.

I.D proponents like Michael Behee will argue for EVOLUTIONISM but with some kind of intelligent designer helping at key points. Hint there is a reason they call it "THEISTIC evolution".

Here is a web site where Christian complain about Michael Behe's "Theistic evolutionism".

Bottom line - a lot of evolutionists like Philip Johnson and Michael Behe are getting targetted by devotees to atheist darwinist evolutionism because Behe and Johnson admit to the "basics" of the Romans 1 statement applicable to all mankind.

My guess is that even the godless pagans of Romans 1 "looked like Christian Creationists" to today's hard-core atheists.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VaultZero4Me]

The RECENT diatribe and jiihad of atheist darwinists against I.D has EXPOSED the "distinctively atheist" underpinnings of darwinism because these are examples were EVOLUTIONISTS are bashing OTHER EVOLUTIONISTS over the idea that INTELLIGENCE CAN BE DETECTED in nature.

If by this you mean ID, then you are sorely mistaken. They were not evolutionist.

Sadly it is you who are mistaken.

Bible believing Christians will often argue that God created the World and all life on this planet in 6 days and rested the seventh-day. They will argue that the Genesis account is accurate - correct, reliable and trusthworhy.

I.D proponents like Michael Behee will argue for EVOLUTIONISM but with some kind of intelligent designer helping at key points. Hint there is a reason they call it "THEISTIC evolution".

Here is a web site where Christian complain about Michael Behe's "Theistic evolutionism".

Bottom line - a lot of evolutionists like Philip Johnson and Michael Behe are getting targetted by devotees to atheist darwinist evolutionism because Behe and Johnson admit to the "basics" of the Romans 1 statement applicable to all mankind.

My guess is that even the godless pagans of Romans 1 "looked like Christian Creationists" to today's hard-core atheists.

in Christ,

Bob

Hint, theistic evolution does not = science. It equals putting God in a test tube. Failed.

No one in the mainstream scientific community recognized ID as a science because the "theistic" constraint screams bias, and their theories were flawed (wanna look at irreducible complex?) .

And you should very well know that Behee and Dembski utterly failed in their vain attempt. Should we start a thread for this?

Bottom line - a lot of evolutionists like Philip Johnson and Michael Behe are getting targetted by devotees to atheist darwinist evolutionism because Behe and Johnson admit to the "basics" of the Romans 1 statement applicable to all mankind.

Their ideas were targeted, and they fell like dominos. Sorry, if they can't stand the heat on their ideas (which obviously they can't since they lack any significant peer reviewed papers), stay out of the scientific kitchen.

They hid behind the mask of "science" and were caught with their intellectual pants down.

Why is it that you still adhere to ad homs? "Godless" "pagans" etc.

There are many Christian believers who have no problems with evolution. You should not be so quick to judge another's faith based on something outside of theology.

I would also like to know your views on the age of the earth and universe.