Seeing This In My Rear-View Mirror

[Mike S]

I would need a change of underwear.

Black ice! I hate it.

 

[Deborah13]

Black ice always makes me wish I had an engine retarder on my vehicle like I had on the school bus I first drove.
I don't know why they are not on semis or very few anyway.

 

[Kathi]

This looks like the accident in Eastern Oregon.

 

[Gary]

Black ice always makes me wish I had an engine retarder on my vehicle like I had on the school bus I first drove.
I don't know why they are not on semis or very few anyway.

How would a engine retarder be effective on black ice?

 

[jasonc]

How would a engine retarder be effective on black ice?

jake brake, a car has anti lock which a type of brake assist along with traction control and other things.

 

[Mike S]

jake brake, a car has anti lock which a type of brake assist along with traction control and other things.

Jake brakes are made right here where I live. I drive by it every day.


http://www.jacobsvehiclesystems.com

 

[jasonc]

Jake brakes are made right here where I live. I drive by it every day.


http://www.jacobsvehiclesystems.com

they are for diesel engines only, a gas engine can be made to use them and they have the tech already in some cars that it could be as simple as reprogram a few modules. ie the northstar uses the means of killing engines via shutting off fuel to the cylinders to air cool the engine. that also can slow down the car as well.

 

[Deborah13]

How would a engine retarder be effective on black ice?

I drove school bus on roads in an area where black ice is a common occurrence. Every school bus was equipped with a retarder. It was operated by a hand leveler, like the shifting leveler on a car, not a stick shifter.
When you suspect or know that you have hit black ice you gradually shift through the speeds on the retarder. It gradually slows you down, even almost to a complete stop without ever touching the brakes or shifting gears and without stalling out the engine.

 

[jasonc]

I drove school bus on roads in an area where black ice is a common occurrence. Every school bus was equipped with a retarder. It was operated by a hand leveler, like the shifting leveler on a car, not a stick shifter.
When you suspect or know that you have hit black ice you gradually shift through the speeds on the retarder. It gradually slows you down, even almost to a complete stop without ever touching the brakes or shifting gears and without stalling out the engine.

that stop making those along ,long time ago. the jake brake is what took place of that which doesn't stall and engine out, just does what you say for you. the engine is a brake in both ideas. most of those that had that were automatics if I remember right.

 

[Gary]

jake brake, a car has anti lock which a type of brake assist along with traction control and other things.

The only way to get traction control on ice is with studded tires or chains.

 

[jasonc]

The only way to get traction control on ice is with studded tires or chains.

abs allows slip, to allow you steer what you are going to hit. it pulses the brakes for that purpose.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Black ice always makes me wish I had an engine retarder on my vehicle like I had on the school bus I first drove.
I don't know why they are not on semis or very few anyway.

Deb,
On big tractors they are called the Jake Brake and I've never driven one without the Jake. The driver in that local haul tractor was obviously a long term OTR Driver because had he pull the Jake on it instead of driving through and killing the Rig, he would have still jack knifed but he also would have killed several people and would have spent the rest of his life second guessing his decision. All I can do is give the man all the kudos I have to give.

 

[eddif]

Around here Jake brakes are rare. The issue is the noise generated. Folks put up signs ( no Jake brakes). Rednecks just love them though, and the louder the more better.

Ice and snow are so rare you are taking a chance driving during those times (not from the weather, but from skidding 70 mph cars driven by folks that have no idea how to handle ice .

eddif

 

[th1b.taylor]

that stop making those along ,long time ago. the jake brake is what took place of that which doesn't stall and engine out, just does what you say for you. the engine is a brake in both ideas. most of those that had that were automatics if I remember right.

Nah, the last two I drove had jakes and one was a seven speed Road Ranger with a triple speed rear end for 21 forward, without using Granny, Three Granny Gears and three reverses. The very last one was a ten speed with a two speed rear end giving me twenty forward and when empty it came off a light in Low fourth and with twenty or so thousand it launched in second/low but from thirty to ninety thousand it loved either low/first or low/granny, oh... and over seventy thou. the Cops really wanted to see the Over Load and assigned, FCC Route Mapping and you had better be where they told you to go. You know drivers and their short cuts.

 

[jasonc]

and you power shifted that all save the granny gears and revoirse , I meant to spell that way.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Around here Jake brakes are rare. The issue is the noise generated. Folks put up signs ( no Jake brakes). Rednecks just love them though, and the louder the more better.

Ice and snow are so rare you are taking a chance driving during those times (not from the weather, but from skidding 70 mph cars driven by folks that have no idea how to handle ice .

eddif

eddiff,
we don't love those Jakes, what we love is the shocked expression on the face of the driver with his windows down, right the by the mufflers.

 

[th1b.taylor]

and you power shifted that all save the granny gears and revoirse , I meant to spell that way.

Ain't that the right way to right that?

 

[jasonc]

Ain't that the right way to right that?

lol. revoirse? I said that to Nathan a few weeks ago. Im teaching him to drive and I showed where revoirse was, and said it that way.

 

[th1b.taylor]

lol. revoirse? I said that to Nathan a few weeks ago. Im teaching him to drive and I showed where revoirse was, and said it that way.

All of my NY men out of the Bronx said it that way and they educated the old man so I could speak New Yoik.

 

[Deborah13]

Deb,
On big tractors they are called the Jake Brake and I've never driven one without the Jake. The driver in that local haul tractor was obviously a long term OTR Driver because had he pull the Jake on it instead of driving through and killing the Rig, he would have still jack knifed but he also would have killed several people and would have spent the rest of his life second guessing his decision. All I can do is give the man all the kudos I have to give.

This is what I said....
"Black ice always makes me wish I had an engine retarder on my vehicle like I had on the school bus I first drove.
I don't know why they are not on semis or very few anyway."
My husband told me that he thought that a retarder works differently than a jake does but he has never used a retarder only a jake. So he may be wrong.