Servants of another god

[Lonelyguide]

Most marketeers know that going for the "hard sell" invariably implies the cheapening of one's product and merely short-term results. Experience has taught them that one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Yet forums like these more often than not have a presence of individuals who go around badgering and flaming others, pretending that they do this in service of the Lord.

The fact that they do this in an unloving manner which is in direct opposition of the teachings of our Saviour, however, makes one wonder which may be the true identity of the god they serve.

Could it be that their constant judging and condemning of others points us in the precise direction where that god resides? Could it be that their god ... a god who apparently constantly urges them to condemn others so that they themselves may feel superior ... is none other than the human ego?

It sure looks that way.

Should we then resist or even fight these individuals ... these servants of the ego? No, resisting them implies that we view and acknowledge the illusion from which they suffer as real. Resistance would merely lend credence to them, to their m.o. and to the illusion which their ego has wrought for them. And fighting them would mean that we will allow them to draw us into their incessant arguing and quarreling and, by becoming part of that world, that we might become as they.

What then should we do? Well, I believe that we shouldn't even report these servants of the ego to Site Admin, but that we should merely overlook their comportment just like we would overlook anything else which we know to be unreal. We should leave them to their reality, focus on ours, forgive them, bless them and move on.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Yet forums like these more often than not have a presence of individuals who go around badgering and flaming others, pretending that they do this in service of the Lord.

When an individual stops seeking for Truth... that is, he/she believes they have found the Truth in all its completness. The next step comes in solidifying that result and cementing it in the psyche to obtain SECURITY.

Anything that threatens this security MUST be destroyed or proved to be fallicious!

If for instance, a ceratin individual has a different interpretation of the Gospel or other Divine Truth, a person seeking SECURITY will feel threatened and insecure.

After all, how could the belief be true if another individual who has access to the same material come up with a different conclusion?

The fact that they do this in an unloving manner which is in direct opposition of the teachings of our Saviour, however, makes one wonder which may be the true identity of the god they serve.

It has been said before but let me say it again. Those claiming to be the only holders of Divine Truth while forcefully and judgementally conveying this Truth are none other than modern day Pharisees.

In fact if you search the NT, the only time Christ quotes scripture is in response to the Jewish heirarchy! Jesus spoke in parables to other people!

The people Jesus was hardest on were those of the religious majority who claimed to "have all the answers".

Could it be that their constant judging and condemning of others points us in the precise direction where that god resides? Could it be that their god ... a god who apparently constantly urges them to condemn others so that they themselves may feel superior ... is none other than the human ego?

Yes!

This is the only explanation which warrants such behaviours.

The ego seeks security in its boxed up dogma and if that security is threatened by opposing viewpoints, the result is judgementalism and the pharisee inquisition.

What then should we do? Well, I believe that we shouldn't even report these servants of the ego to Site Admin, but that we should merely overlook their comportment just like we would overlook anything else which we know to be unreal. We should leave them to their reality, focus on ours, forgive them, bless them and move on.

Amen.[/b]

 

[Gary]

.... In fact if you search the NT, the only time Christ quotes scripture is in response to the Jewish heirarchy! Jesus spoke in parables to other people!

Not true at all...most New Age Fundies THINK this is true, but most New Age Fundies know very little about the Bible and what Jesus really taught.

 

[Gary]

...The fact that they do this in an unloving manner which is in direct opposition of the teachings of our Saviour, however, makes one wonder which may be the true identity of the god they serve.

Both Jesus and Paul taught us to expose false teachers. New Age teachers only find a Jesus of "soft love." They miss the Jesus and Paul who knew that false teachers would have come who would water down His message and teachings. Try reading Matthew 10:34-36

It is very easy to determine the "god" that these New Age teachers worship... the "god" of universalism.
:-?

 

[Lonelyguide]

Interesting that you feel addressed by this topic, Gary

most New Age Fundies

I have visited a number of discussion forums where people of various belief systems come together. I don't like to label people ... labels are for pots, not for people, and for me labeling is something for the somewhat less disciplined mind ... but, if one is into labeling, over-simplifying and generalising ... I guess that in those forums I have met people for whom the label "New Age" might be appropriate. Taken into account the myriad of variations on that theme, however, labeling them immediately shows how little one knows about the theme(s) as such.

"New Age Fundies," however, is something that I've never come across and this signals to me that this label may consequently say more about the relative ignorance of those who use it and their belief-systems than about those to whom they have sweepingly given that label. In fact, for me the term "Fundies" within the context of "New Age" would even constitute a contradiction in terms :-D

"most New Age Fundies" ...
Well, well, well ... "most New Age Fundies." Pray tell, Gary, which staggering number of these "New Ages Fundies" do you personally know, that you can speak of "most" New Age Fundies :-?
Now please don't tell me that you see them often, my friend, because I doubt that there are pills for that condition :-D :P :

Still ... I have to hand it to you, Gary, you are one very creative spirit! Here, in a single flick of the wrist, you have not merely created a whole new being, but also a large group of them :-D :
Such creativity ... if certain creations weren't merely "inventions" one would almost say that you're a son of your Father

false teachers

For me ... false teachers usually don't need to be exposed because they invariably cannot prevent exposing themselves. Great as their number may be, the lie ... even the hidden lie or the lie commingled with bits of truth ... is always very present and there is always too much ego in what they "teach" and Truth and ego simply don't walk the same path

 

[Soma-Sight]

It is very easy to determine the "god" that these New Age teachers worship... the "god" of universalism.

Blah..... :

Of course for you the Book of Revelation is all literal right?

Next time you see a beast with ten horns drop me a line in my email account at Narrowpath_JC@hotmail.com ... lol

Revelation is considered one of the most controversial and difficult books of the Bible, with many diverse interpretations of the meanings of the various names and events in the account. Protestant founder Martin Luther considered Revelation to be "neither apostolic nor prophetic" and stated that "Christ is neither taught nor known in it" [3].

In the 4th century, St. John Chrysostom and other bishops argued against including this book in the New Testament canon, chiefly because of the difficulties of interpreting it and the danger for abuse. Christians in Syria also reject it because of the Montanists' heavy reliance on it. In the 9th century, it was included with the Apocalypse of Peter among "disputed" books in the Stichometry of St. Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople. In the end it was included in the accepted canon, although it remains the only book of the New Testament that is not read within the Divine Liturgy of the Eastern Orthodox Church.


You can interpret Jesus to be some god that tortures the weak for all eternity because they didnt join the right crowd....

I worship a God of Infinite Mercy and Compassion for ALL men.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Eastern Orthodoxy

For many ancient Christians, Hell was the same "place" as Heaven: living in the presence of God and directly experiencing God's love. Whether this was experienced as pleasure or torment depended on one's disposition towards God. St. Isaac of Syria wrote in Mystic Treatises: "... those who find themselves in Hell will be chastised by the scourge of love. How cruel and bitter this torment of love will be! For those who understand that they have sinned against love, undergo greater suffering than those produced by the most fearful tortures. The sorrow which takes hold of the heart, which has sinned against love, is more piercing than any other pain. It is not right to say that the sinners in Hell are deprived of the love of God ... But love acts in two ways, as suffering of the reproved, and as joy in the blessed!" This ancient view is still the doctrine of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

The sea of fire after the last tribunal in Revelation 20,14 isn't translated into the word "hell", but sometimes gets the connotations of "hell". In that sea of fire are thrown the beast, the devil, the false prophet, and Hell (Hades) itself, along with evil-doers, according to Revelation 20,12-15. "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for aeons of aeons." (Revelation 20,10) Many people mistakenly assume "Ages of Ages" to mean forever, but Aeon is definitely a fixed length. See [1]

Gary,

Leave the false god of torture you worship and come to the Light of Truth....

Your limited view on God is not even what the majorityof believers in Christ adhere too.

How has this depiction of torture god not made you throw up yet?

NOT EVEN YOUR HATED ENEMY THE MUSLIMS WORSHIP A god THAT SICK!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell#Islam

 

[Gary]

.... In fact if you search the NT, the only time Christ quotes scripture is in response to the Jewish heirarchy! Jesus spoke in parables to other people!

Not true at all...most New Age Fundies THINK this is true, but most New Age Fundies know very little about the Bible and what Jesus really taught.

Interesting that you were unable to address this post... I wonder why?

 

[Gary]

I have visited a number of discussion forums where people of various belief systems come together. I don't like to label people ... labels are for pots, not for people, and for me labeling is something for the somewhat less disciplined mind ..

So let's watch how many times Lonelyguide labels people...

One

Most marketeers know that going for the "hard sell" invariably implies the cheapening of one's product and merely short-term results. Experience has taught them that one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Exactly how many "marketeers" do you know? Most??


Two

Yet forums like these more often than not have a presence of individuals who go around badgering and flaming others, pretending that they do this in service of the Lord.

Nice labels! Badgerers, flamers and pretenders. :o


Three

The fact that they do this in an unloving manner which is in direct opposition of the teachings of our Saviour, however, makes one wonder which may be the true identity of the god they serve.

More labels. Unloving, opposite to our Saviour :roll:

Ever read what Jesus called the false teachers?


Four

Could it be that their constant judging and condemning of others points us in the precise direction where that god resides? Could it be that their god ... a god who apparently constantly urges them to condemn others so that they themselves may feel superior ... is none other than the human ego?

A few more labels. Judges, condemning... following the "god" of human ego.


Five

Should we then resist or even fight these individuals ... these servants of the ego?

So you don't label people? Really? Remember you claimed: "I don't like to label people ... labels are for pots, not for people.."

You also claimed: "...labeling is something for the somewhat less disciplined mind." Still sticking to that labeling as well? :D :D


Six

Still ... I have to hand it to you, Gary, you are one very creative spirit!

Nice label. Keep going.


P.S.

Interesting that you feel addressed by this topic, Gary

Interesting that you don't practice what you preach! IF you believe that I place any significance at all on your New Age Fundy posts, you are wrong. If you believe that you are talking about me, why don't you follow your own advise? I will repost that "advise"...

Should we then resist or even fight these individuals ... these servants of the ego? No, resisting them implies that we view and acknowledge the illusion from which they suffer as real. Resistance would merely lend credence to them, to their m.o. and to the illusion which their ego has wrought for them. And fighting them would mean that we will allow them to draw us into their incessant arguing and quarreling and, by becoming part of that world, that we might become as they.

What then should we do? Well, I believe that we shouldn't even report these servants of the ego to Site Admin, but that we should merely overlook their comportment just like we would overlook anything else which we know to be unreal. We should leave them to their reality, focus on ours, forgive them, bless them and move on.

Remember now:.
(1) No resisting
(2) No fighting, no arguing, no quarreling
(3) No reporting to Site Admin
(4) Overlook their comportment :wink:
(5) Leave them to their reality :roll:
(6) Focus on your reality :-D
(7) Forgive them
(8) Bless them
(9) Move on

Remember (8) and (9).... bye!

:wink:

 

[Lonelyguide]

Unlike you, I do not experience the need to be right, Gary, so I will limit myself to responding to the part of your post which merits a response because that little part by itself demonstrates beautifully to which extent you will go in your need to prove others "wrong." Responding to that little part saves me the trouble of responding to the rest of your post:

Exactly how many "marketeers" do you know? Most??

I have completed a number of studies, Gary. One of them ... during the early stages of my career ... was marketing; marketing on what is considered to be the highest level. Consequently I can say ... and my track record is there to prove it ... that I know my way around marketing. And I can also say that I know how marketing has evolved over time, that I know which are the elements of the curriculum of most marketing studies and that I consequently have more than a passing familiarity with the theories which most if not every marketeer has been "indoctrinated" with. Good enough? 8-)

As for the rest of your post ... I've said it before: invention must be one of your talents :-D

PS:
Call it a judgement if you like, but I have seen you write posts with considerably more substance than the one above. What's wrong? :-? :o

 

[Gary]

Exactly which "theory" in marketing explains what you claimed, namely, "Most marketeers know that going for the "hard sell" invariably implies the cheapening of one's product and merely short-term results"?

Secondly, which marketing theory explains your second claim that "Experience has taught them that one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar"?

If you have studied marketing, I am sure that they will be fairly easy questions to answer.

P.S. Remember (8) and (9)...

 

[Lonelyguide]

I didn't come here to discuss or teach marketing, Gary. Been there, done that and I've left that stuff behind me a long time ago

By the way, I am glad that you went through the 1-9 exercise. Well done! You will see that forgetting those 9 will be a little more difficult now. And now all you need to do is to assimilate it

By the way ... was that "less disciplined mind" thing so hard to swallow that it prompted that huuuuge post of yours? Do remember, Gary, that posts are like a blacksmith's bellows: the more ego, the more hot air and the bigger and the emptier they get :-D

 

[Gary]

I thought so... all air, no substance. You have penned 968 words on this topic, I have penned less than 400. Your label describes you well, it fits perfectly!

 

[Lonelyguide]

You have penned 968 words on this topic, I have penned less than 400.

LOL Did you really count them all? OMG now I understand why you were gone for some 40 minutes. Wow ... I can almost see you sitting there ... heaving, beads of sweat on your forehead, tongue between your teeth ... one ... two ... three ... four ... five ... six ... seven ...

Tell me, what did you feel when you had finally finished counting and when you first reached 968 and then ... nearly 400 ... :-?

Was the suspense mounting? :

Don't forget to take those pills now, Gary! LOL do not forget to take those pills!!! :-D :

The things the ego can make us do ... :o

... servants of another god

 

[Gary]

:smt024 Your posts are getting longer... :D

 

[Lonelyguide]

Well, if that was it, thank you for your contribution to this topic.

 

[DivineNames]

I have visited a number of discussion forums where people of various belief systems come together. I don't like to label people ... labels are for pots, not for people, and for me labeling is something for the somewhat less disciplined mind ..

So let's watch how many times Lonelyguide labels people...

One

Most marketeers know that going for the "hard sell" invariably implies the cheapening of one's product and merely short-term results. Experience has taught them that one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Exactly how many "marketeers" do you know? Most??


Two

Yet forums like these more often than not have a presence of individuals who go around badgering and flaming others, pretending that they do this in service of the Lord.

Nice labels! Badgerers, flamers and pretenders. :o


Three

The fact that they do this in an unloving manner which is in direct opposition of the teachings of our Saviour, however, makes one wonder which may be the true identity of the god they serve.

More labels. Unloving, opposite to our Saviour :roll:

Ever read what Jesus called the false teachers?


Four

Could it be that their constant judging and condemning of others points us in the precise direction where that god resides? Could it be that their god ... a god who apparently constantly urges them to condemn others so that they themselves may feel superior ... is none other than the human ego?

A few more labels. Judges, condemning... following the "god" of human ego.


Five

Should we then resist or even fight these individuals ... these servants of the ego?

So you don't label people? Really? Remember you claimed: "I don't like to label people ... labels are for pots, not for people.."

You also claimed: "...labeling is something for the somewhat less disciplined mind." Still sticking to that labeling as well? :D :D


Six

Still ... I have to hand it to you, Gary, you are one very creative spirit!

Nice label. Keep going.

I am looking at this, and it doesn't actually seem as if Lonelyguide was trying to "label" anyone. It seems that Lonelyguide was merely describing a certain behaviour, which Lonelyguide wanted to comment on.

 

[DivineNames]

Both Jesus and Paul taught us to expose false teachers.

I believe the Old Testament warns us about false prophets. Christians don't seem to pay much attention to those warnings.

 

[Lonelyguide]

I am looking at this, and it doesn't actually seem as if Lonelyguide was trying to "label" anyone. It seems that Lonelyguide was merely describing a certain behaviour, which Lonelyguide wanted to comment on.

Yes, there are always those who will not shrink back from resorting to discussion techniques of which the primary aim is to discredit and disqualify others rather than to address the content of their posts and topics. They have themselves believing that by disrupting a topic and/or by placing another poster in a false daylight ... no matter whether the truth has to be bent to achieve this ... they can prove someone else "wrong." It is reassuring that the sincere ... people like you, Divine Names ... will see through "tactics" like these

 

[Soma-Sight]

I am gone for three days out of state for business trip and I come back to this!

Wow!

Gary,

Lonelyguide is merely implying the utter lack of humility for certain fundamentalist peoples and groups who dont even know how to read Greek and Hebrew text in the original language!

You believe you have doctrine by the neck and we are all New Age fools slipping to hell.....

But the fact remains that you dont HAVE the original OT/NT scriptures and you base all your "objective Truth" on tranlsations!

I wonder if you even have a Wigrams?

Then I discovered that the word "worlds" in Hebrews 1:2 was also actually "aion." This listing ("worlds") didn't even appear in my Young's, and I had to have it pointed out that there was another English word translated from the Greek word "aion." Over the next several years, I was to learn that there are thirteen different English words and phrases translated from that one Greek word "aion." Suddenly, my Strong's Exhaustive Concordance that I had thought so much of for so long seemed totally inadequate. How was I to do an effective word study with an English concordance when the original Greek or Hebrew or Chaldee might have a dozen different English translations? How was I to know whether or not this was the case for the word translated "work" (Greek "ergon")? Did it also have thirteen other English translations? How about the word "comforter" (Greek "parakleetos")? Does it also have thirteen English translations? I had become painfully aware of how much I was at the mercy of the translators.



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