Seven Seals -- Not Given In Chronological Order

[Watchman_2]

The 7 seals are not given in chronolgical order! That's why the term 'seal' is used. There is no particular order in removing seals to a scroll in order to read the contents thereof.

The seals, chronologically, are as follow:

Listed --- In Time
1 ------------ 6
2 ------------ 3
3 ------------ 4
4 ------------ 2
5 ------------ 1
6 ------------ 7
7 ------------ 5

Any eschatology, which is based upon the seals being given in chronological order, is fatally flawed.

1st Listed Seal
The key to understanding this listed seal lies in the number of the beast [Satan] being 666 in Rev. 13:18, which stands for 6th seal, 6th trumpet, and 6th vial. In reviewing the seals, one sees that Satan [Antichrist], the rider on the white horse in 6:2, is the first one listed; but, it is listed as "one of the seals" -- not the "first one". Hence, there is dispositive proof that the seals are not given in chronological order. The 1st seal is the 6th seal chronologically pursuant to Rev. 13:18, confirmed by Rev. 9:13-20 and 16:12-16.

To determine the chronological order of the other 6 seals, one simply needs to correlate them relative to the seal of Satan's appearance.

6th Listed Seal
This listed seal is the great day of the Lamb's wrath, which takes place after the seal identifying Satan's appearance [1st listed seal]. It is the 7th seal chronologically as confirmed by Rev. 11:15-19 and 16:17-21.

7th Listed Seal
This listed seal comes at the point of silence in heaven for one-half hour. In reading Rev. 17:12, the 10 kings have power given by Satan for one hour. Hence, the release of these 10 kings [Rev. 13:1] has to take place prior to this seventh listed seal. The seventh listed seal is one half hour later.

This 7th Seal marks the unleashing of the trumpets. The first 5 trumpets precede the 6th trumpet, which identifies the unveiling of Satan. Hence, the 7th seal has to take place prior to Satan's appearance [1st listed seal]. The 7th listed seal is the 5th seal chronologically.

4th Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the casting out of heaven of Satan and his fallen angels, of which some will be the 10 kings of Rev. 13:1. It marks the beginning of the hour of silence in heaven. It has to take place prior to the 7th seal [5th chronologically], as the 7th listed seal is after about one-half hour of silence in heaven. The 4th listed seal is the 2nd seal chronologically.

5th Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the plea of the martyred saints for the endtime to commence in order to avenge their executions. They are told to wait. This listed seal represents the time of teaching, including the sealing of the 144,000 in Rev. 7:3-8. The sealing of the 144,000 takes place prior to the casting out of Satan and the fallen angels [4th listed seal]. Hence, the 5th listed seal is the 1st seal in time.

3rd Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the time of the protection of God's elect. Hence, this seal would have to take place after Satan and the fallen angels have been cast out of heaven. It also represents the one-world currency in which no one is allowed to buy or sell without taking the mark of the beast.

It will take sometime after the 10 kings take control of the one-world gov't, when all economic power can be enforced. Hence, this listed seal comes after the second seal listed. The 3rd listed seal is the 4th seal chronologically.

2nd Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the beginning of world peace, which only takes place when Satan's 10 kings take power over the one-world gov't. Hence, this seal has to take place after Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven. The first order of business, by edict, from these 10 kings will be world peace. World peace logically precedes the introduction of world currency and, hence, precedes the 3rd listed seal [4th chronologically]. The 2nd listed seal is the 3rd chronologically.

 

[warhorse]

The 7 seals are not given in chronolgical order! That's why the term 'seal' is used. There is no particular order in removing seals to a scroll in order to read the contents thereof.

The seals, chronologically, are as follow:

Listed --- In Time
1 ------------ 6
2 ------------ 3
3 ------------ 4
4 ------------ 2
5 ------------ 1
6 ------------ 7
7 ------------ 5

Any eschatology, which is based upon the seals being given in chronological order, is fatally flawed.

1st Listed Seal
The key to understanding this listed seal lies in the number of the beast [Satan] being 666 in Rev. 13:18, which stands for 6th seal, 6th trumpet, and 6th vial. In reviewing the seals, one sees that Satan [Antichrist], the rider on the white horse in 6:2, is the first one listed; but, it is listed as "one of the seals" -- not the "first one". Hence, there is dispositive proof that the seals are not given in chronological order. The 1st seal is the 6th seal chronologically pursuant to Rev. 13:18, confirmed by Rev. 9:13-20 and 16:12-16.

To determine the chronological order of the other 6 seals, one simply needs to correlate them relative to the seal of Satan's appearance.

6th Listed Seal
This listed seal is the great day of the Lamb's wrath, which takes place after the seal identifying Satan's appearance [1st listed seal]. It is the 7th seal chronologically as confirmed by Rev. 11:15-19 and 16:17-21.

7th Listed Seal
This listed seal comes at the point of silence in heaven for one-half hour. In reading Rev. 17:12, the 10 kings have power given by Satan for one hour. Hence, the release of these 10 kings [Rev. 13:1] has to take place prior to this seventh listed seal. The seventh listed seal is one half hour later.

This 7th Seal marks the unleashing of the trumpets. The first 5 trumpets precede the 6th trumpet, which identifies the unveiling of Satan. Hence, the 7th seal has to take place prior to Satan's appearance [1st listed seal]. The 7th listed seal is the 5th seal chronologically.

4th Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the casting out of heaven of Satan and his fallen angels, of which some will be the 10 kings of Rev. 13:1. It marks the beginning of the hour of silence in heaven. It has to take place prior to the 7th seal [5th chronologically], as the 7th listed seal is after about one-half hour of silence in heaven. The 4th listed seal is the 2nd seal chronologically.

5th Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the plea of the martyred saints for the endtime to commence in order to avenge their executions. They are told to wait. This listed seal represents the time of teaching, including the sealing of the 144,000 in Rev. 7:3-8. The sealing of the 144,000 takes place prior to the casting out of Satan and the fallen angels [4th listed seal]. Hence, the 5th listed seal is the 1st seal in time.

3rd Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the time of the protection of God's elect. Hence, this seal would have to take place after Satan and the fallen angels have been cast out of heaven. It also represents the one-world currency in which no one is allowed to buy or sell without taking the mark of the beast.

It will take sometime after the 10 kings take control of the one-world gov't, when all economic power can be enforced. Hence, this listed seal comes after the second seal listed. The 3rd listed seal is the 4th seal chronologically.

2nd Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the beginning of world peace, which only takes place when Satan's 10 kings take power over the one-world gov't. Hence, this seal has to take place after Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven. The first order of business, by edict, from these 10 kings will be world peace. World peace logically precedes the introduction of world currency and, hence, precedes the 3rd listed seal [4th chronologically]. The 2nd listed seal is the 3rd chronologically.

Umm i disagree, in fact The seals, is just about the only part of revelation that is chronilogical. What you have done is take events and put them in order of your expectations. Perhaps you should put away your expectations and study the OT instead of revelation. You see death by famine ,sword, pestilence and flame were mentioned a lot in OT prophacy.

 

[Watchman_2]

Umm i disagree, in fact The seals, is just about the only part of revelation that is chronilogical. What you have done is take events and put them in order of your expectations. Perhaps you should put away your expectations and study the OT instead of revelation. You see death by famine ,sword, pestilence and flame were mentioned a lot in OT prophacy.

Of course, you have the right to be wrong. Denial of Truth is not an argument.

If the seals are in order, then the rest of endtime prophecy is completely out of order, including the trumpets and vials. BTW, I have studied the OT. There is nothing in my OP which is contradicted by the OT.

 

[Sinthesis]

1st Listed Seal
The key to understanding this listed seal lies in the number of the beast [Satan] being 666 in Rev. 13:18, which stands for 6th seal, 6th trumpet, and 6th vial. In reviewing the seals, one sees that Satan [Antichrist], the rider on the white horse in 6:2, is the first one listed; but, it is listed as "one of the seals" -- not the "first one". Hence, there is dispositive proof that the seals are not given in chronological order. The 1st seal is the 6th seal chronologically pursuant to Rev. 13:18, confirmed by Rev. 9:13-20 and 16:12-16.

You've got the wrong key. If you read Rev 13:18 in the original Greek you will see that the number of the beast is actually χξϚ whereby χ=600, ξ=60, and Ϛ=6. Now where is that 600th seal and 60th vial.:rolling

 

[warhorse]

Of course, you have the right to be wrong. Denial of Truth is not an argument.

If the seals are in order, then the rest of endtime prophecy is completely out of order, including the trumpets and vials. BTW, I have studied the OT. There is nothing in my OP which is contradicted by the OT.

Look i dont want to bust your bubble, but you are making a lot of assumptions, you cant just make up the seals definitions and then rearrange them as you please. The white horsemen is not the AC, 666 is not connected to any of those seals ,trumps, or vials, and the day of the lords wrath takes place on the day of satans destruction not appearance. The 2nd horsemen has the power to take peace, not give it.

 

[Watchman_2]

Look i dont want to bust your bubble, but you are making a lot of assumptions, you cant just make up the seals definitions and then rearrange them as you please. The white horsemen is not the AC, 666 is not connected to any of those seals ,trumps, or vials, and the day of the lords wrath takes place on the day of satans destruction not appearance. The 2nd horsemen has the power to take peace, not give it.

I already indicated that you have the right to be wrong. What more do you want?? Your denial of Truth is not an argument. See the OP for the foundation in Truth.

You say I arranged the seals as I pleased. You are incorrect.

You say the white horseman [Rev. 6:2] is not the AC. You are wrong!

You say 666 is not connected to the seals, trumpets, and vials. You are wrong!

You say the Lord's wrath takes place at Satan's [I assume one-world order] destruction. You are correct -- it is the 7th seal in time, the 7th trumpet, and the 7th vial.

You say Satan has the power to take peace -- not give it. You are wrong!

 

[Watchman_2]

You've got the wrong key. If you read Rev 13:18 in the original Greek you will see that the number of the beast is actually χξϚ whereby χ=600, ξ=60, and Ϛ=6. Now where is that 600th seal and 60th vial.:rolling

Greek numerology is Base 10 -- just like the English system. 'Counting' the number of the beast is either six hundred and sixty-six or it is 3 distinct sixes -- irrespective of how it is spelled in Greek. I summarily dismiss the former, as the latter clearly fits scripture for the seals, vials, and trumpets.

For you to assert the veracity of your claim, you would have to demonstrate what six hundred and sixty-five prior prophetic events take place prior to the revealing of Satan at the six hundred and sixty-sixth event.

 

[warhorse]

I already indicated that you have the right to be wrong. What more do you want?? Your denial of Truth is not an argument. See the OP for the foundation in Truth.

You say I arranged the seals as I pleased. You are incorrect.

You say the white horseman [Rev. 6:2] is not the AC. You are wrong!

You say 666 is not connected to the seals, trumpets, and vials. You are wrong!

You say the Lord's wrath takes place at Satan's [I assume one-world order] destruction. You are correct -- it is the 7th seal in time, the 7th trumpet, and the 7th vial.

You say Satan has the power to take peace -- not give it. You are wrong!

You have not posted a position based in scripture, show me scripture to support your position and then we can discuss it . So far you have laid out your position but you have not displayed what you base it on other then assumption. Truth is determined by God, so show me the scripture or its not the truth.

 

[Watchman_2]

You have not posted a position based in scripture, show me scripture to support your position and then we can discuss it . So far you have laid out your position but you have not displayed what you base it on other then assumption. Truth is determined by God, so show me the scripture or its not the truth.

Yes, I have. See the OP. There is sufficient base Bible information therein to show the viewers that the seals are not in order and to provide justification for the correct order shown therein.

Show me where I have gone wrong in your opinion. Then, I can prove you in error!

As I have stated twice before, you have the right to be wrong and denial is not an argument. If you don't provide a scripturally-based argument for why you think I am in error, I have nothing but feckless commentary from you to work with.

I need a real argument from you first.

 

[warhorse]

Yes, I have. See the OP. There is sufficient base Bible information therein to show the viewers that the seals are not in order and to provide justification for the correct order shown therein.

Show me where I have gone wrong in your opinion. Then, I can prove you in error!

As I have stated twice before, you have the right to be wrong and denial is not an argument. If you don't provide a scripturally-based argument for why you think I am in error, I have nothing but feckless commentary from you to work with.

I need a real argument from you first.

Ok we will start with something simple, your position assumes that the first horsemen is the AC, prove that is not an assumption by supporting that with scripture.

 

[Sam21]

The 7 seals are not given in chronolgical order! That's why the term 'seal' is used. There is no particular order in removing seals to a scroll in order to read the contents thereof.

The seals, chronologically, are as follow:

Listed --- In Time
1 ------------ 6
2 ------------ 3
3 ------------ 4
4 ------------ 2
5 ------------ 1
6 ------------ 7
7 ------------ 5

Any eschatology, which is based upon the seals being given in chronological order, is fatally flawed.

1st Listed Seal
The key to understanding this listed seal lies in the number of the beast [Satan] being 666 in Rev. 13:18, which stands for 6th seal, 6th trumpet, and 6th vial. In reviewing the seals, one sees that Satan [Antichrist], the rider on the white horse in 6:2, is the first one listed; but, it is listed as "one of the seals" -- not the "first one". Hence, there is dispositive proof that the seals are not given in chronological order. The 1st seal is the 6th seal chronologically pursuant to Rev. 13:18, confirmed by Rev. 9:13-20 and 16:12-16.

To determine the chronological order of the other 6 seals, one simply needs to correlate them relative to the seal of Satan's appearance.

6th Listed Seal
This listed seal is the great day of the Lamb's wrath, which takes place after the seal identifying Satan's appearance [1st listed seal]. It is the 7th seal chronologically as confirmed by Rev. 11:15-19 and 16:17-21.

7th Listed Seal
This listed seal comes at the point of silence in heaven for one-half hour. In reading Rev. 17:12, the 10 kings have power given by Satan for one hour. Hence, the release of these 10 kings [Rev. 13:1] has to take place prior to this seventh listed seal. The seventh listed seal is one half hour later.

This 7th Seal marks the unleashing of the trumpets. The first 5 trumpets precede the 6th trumpet, which identifies the unveiling of Satan. Hence, the 7th seal has to take place prior to Satan's appearance [1st listed seal]. The 7th listed seal is the 5th seal chronologically.

4th Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the casting out of heaven of Satan and his fallen angels, of which some will be the 10 kings of Rev. 13:1. It marks the beginning of the hour of silence in heaven. It has to take place prior to the 7th seal [5th chronologically], as the 7th listed seal is after about one-half hour of silence in heaven. The 4th listed seal is the 2nd seal chronologically.

5th Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the plea of the martyred saints for the endtime to commence in order to avenge their executions. They are told to wait. This listed seal represents the time of teaching, including the sealing of the 144,000 in Rev. 7:3-8. The sealing of the 144,000 takes place prior to the casting out of Satan and the fallen angels [4th listed seal]. Hence, the 5th listed seal is the 1st seal in time.

3rd Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the time of the protection of God's elect. Hence, this seal would have to take place after Satan and the fallen angels have been cast out of heaven. It also represents the one-world currency in which no one is allowed to buy or sell without taking the mark of the beast.

It will take sometime after the 10 kings take control of the one-world gov't, when all economic power can be enforced. Hence, this listed seal comes after the second seal listed. The 3rd listed seal is the 4th seal chronologically.

2nd Listed Seal
This listed seal marks the beginning of world peace, which only takes place when Satan's 10 kings take power over the one-world gov't. Hence, this seal has to take place after Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven. The first order of business, by edict, from these 10 kings will be world peace. World peace logically precedes the introduction of world currency and, hence, precedes the 3rd listed seal [4th chronologically]. The 2nd listed seal is the 3rd chronologically.

There are things in Revelation that do not seem to go together, I agree there, however it is a BIG step to decide that the seals placed in order by the Holy Spirit are out of order.

 

[Watchman_2]

There are things in Revelation that do not seem to go together, I agree there, however it is a BIG step to decide that the seals placed in order by the Holy Spirit are out of order.

How do you know what order the seals were placed in?? The seals to the endtime scroll are being removed by the Lamb -- not placed. There is no particular order in removing seals to a scroll. That is why the term 'seals' was used in the first place -- a clue to the readers. The seals are simply individual Truths. It is up to the Bible student to understand this and place them in proper chronological order.

It is quite easy to see that they are not given in chronolgical order. Just read them and compare to other scripture.

 

[Watchman_2]

Ok we will start with something simple, your position assumes that the first horsemen is the AC, prove that is not an assumption by supporting that with scripture.

That is just another form of denial, which is not an argument.

You have stated that I am in error regarding the rider of the white horse in 6:2. Please state the basis for your conclusion so that I can prove you in error.

You need to make an argument -- not just issue denials in a different format.

 

[warhorse]

That is just another form of denial, which is not an argument.

You have stated that I am in error regarding the rider of the white horse in 6:2. Please state the basis for your conclusion so that I can prove you in error.

You need to make an argument -- not just issue denials in a different format.

So you dont have any scripure to support the ac as the WH. Let me see what i can find.

Oh here it is... it appears the only other referance in the bible to a white horsemen is Faithful, true, and righteous...
REVELATION 6
2 And I saw, and behold a WHITE HORSE: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
REVELATION 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a WHITE HORSE; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Well lets see what the bible says about the ac

1 JOHN 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTICHRIST shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTICHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 JOHN 4
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 JOHN 1
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an ANTICHRIST.
--END--

hhmmm sure dont sound like the white horsemen to me... Face it dude the hole ( ac as the first horsemen thing) was a wild assumption from well before you were born and it never had any real basis for support.

 

[Watchman_2]

So you dont have any scripure to support the ac as the WH. Let me see what i can find.

Oh here it is... it appears the only other referance in the bible to a white horsemen is Faithful, true, and righteous...
REVELATION 6
2 And I saw, and behold a WHITE HORSE: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
REVELATION 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a WHITE HORSE; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Well lets see what the bible says about the ac

1 JOHN 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTICHRIST shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTICHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 JOHN 4
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 JOHN 1
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an ANTICHRIST.
--END--

hhmmm sure dont sound like the white horsemen to me... Face it dude the hole ( ac as the first horsemen thing) was a wild assumption from well before you were born and it never had any real basis for support.

I can see why you were so hesitant to put forth an argument. It is so very weak and demonstrates your complete lack of understanding who really is the endtime Antichrist.

First, a quick study in the manuscripts regarding the meaning of 'Antichrist' should clue you into your gross error.

G500
ἀντίχριστος
antichristos
an-tee'-khris-tos
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.
​

It is a compound word. The meaning of the 'anti' portion -

G473
ἀντί
anti
an-tee'
A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.
​

The endtime Antichrist is the 'instead of Christ' or the imposter Christ. Satan, as the Antichrist, pretends to be the true Christ. That is how he deceives the whole world [Rev. 12:9]. This is confirmed in 2 Thes. 2:2-4.

One also spots Satan's imposter status relative to the morning star. In Rev. 22:16, one can see that Jesus is referred to as 'the bright and morning star'. In Isa. 14:12, one can see the fall of Satan. In referring to him as Lucifer, by definition, he is being called 'the morning star'. It is a direct reference to Satan as the imposter Jesus.

Hence, in evaluating the rider on the white horse of Rev. 6:2, all one has to do is compare it to the rider of the white horse in 19:11-12. It is unmistakenly clear that the rider in 19:11-12 is Christ. Thus, if the 6:2 rider is the same, the 6:2 rider would wear the same crown as the 19:11-12 rider.

In the manuscripts, one sees that the 19:11-12 wears 'many' crowns -- not just a singular crown as does the 6:2 rider.

The 19:12 'crowns' -

G1238
διάδημα
diadēma
dee-ad'-ay-mah
From a compound of G1223 and G1210; a "diadem" (as bound about the head): - crown. Compare G4735.
​

The 6:2 'crown' -

G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
stef'-an-os
From an apparently primary "stepho" (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, G1238), literally or figuratively: - crown.
​

As one can plainly see, not the same crowns worn by each rider on the white horse.

In addition, the 19:11-12 rider is not carrying a bow. The 6:2 rider carries a bow, which means -

G5115
τόξον
toxon
tox'-on
From the base of G5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric): - bow.
​

Certainly, it is not comparable to the diadem worn by the King of Kings in 19:11-12. It is a cheap looking bow. Obviously, the rider of the 6:2 white horse is trying to present himself as the slain Messiah.

There can be no mistake that the 6:2 rider is not the same as the 19:11-12 rider.

I will expect your apology for your insolence in your next post.

 

[Sinthesis]

Rev 6:2 - And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown#G4735 was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.​

Corresponds to:

Mat 27:29 - And when they had platted a crown#G4735 of thorns, they put [it] upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!​

Further, though we know that Christ is the Rev 19:12 rider, ponder the only three instances that crowns#G1238 appears in the KJV, thus rendering the ("Thus, if the 6:2 rider is the same, the 6:2 rider would wear the same crown as the 19:11-12 rider.") argument in the above post ludicrous.:rolling:rolling:rolling

Rev 19:12 - His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crownsG1238; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 12:3 - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns#G1238 upon his heads.

Rev 13:1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns#G1238, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.​

 

[Watchman_2]

Rev 6:2 - And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown#G4735 was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
​

Corresponds to:

Mat 27:29 - And when they had platted a crown#G4735 of thorns, they put [it] upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
​

That is the endtime deception of the Antichrist [imposter christ]. Christians know what happened to Christ at the crucifixion. In order to deceive Christians in the endtime, Satan's appearance will be that as the crucified and resurrected Christ.

Further, though we know that Christ is the Rev 19:12 rider, ponder the only three instances that crowns#G1238 appears in the KJV, thus rendering the ("Thus, if the 6:2 rider is the same, the 6:2 rider would wear the same crown as the 19:11-12 rider.") argument in the above post ludicrous.:rolling:rolling:rolling

Rev 19:12 - His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crownsG1238; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
​

This is the true Christ as I set forth in my previous post.

Rev 12:3 - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns#G1238 upon his heads.

​

Rev. 12:3 is a PAST event. So, it is not describing the future Rev. 6:2 rider.

Rev 13:1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns#G1238, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

I am glad that you raised this scripture. It goes to further prove my position. The ten crowns [G1238] are the same crowns that Christ ultimately wears as the King of Kings.

The ten horns are the ten kings described in Rev. 17:12.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
​

They are the chief fallen angels that are cast out of heaven along with Satan [Rev. 12:9]. These 10 kings have power over the entire planet. Rev. 13:1 describes Satan's endtime one-world order.

When Christ returns, He makes war [Rev. 19:11] against Satan's one-world order and takes away their crowns [symbolic of authority]. That is why Christ is referred to as 'King of Kings' [Rev. 19:16].

Hence, the 'crowns' of Rev. 13:1 and 19:12 are clearly not the same as the crown of Rev. 6:2. The rider of the Rev. 6:2 white horse is Satan.

 

[Sinthesis]

Hence, the 'crowns' of Rev. 13:1 and 19:12 are clearly not the same as the crown of Rev. 6:2. The rider of the Rev. 6:2 white horse is Satan.

I never said the 6:2 and 19:12 crowns were the same. I proved your word study argument that...

("Thus, if the 6:2 rider is the same, the 6:2 rider would wear the same crown as the 19:11-12 rider.")

...therefore...

("The rider of the Rev. 6:2 white horse is Satan.")

...is garbage because the 6:2 rider wears the same crown as Jesus. You have just further disproved your argument when you note that Jesus wears the same crowns as the Beast.:rolling

 

[Hitch]

heh heh

 

[warhorse]

I never said the 6:2 and 19:12 crowns were the same. I proved your word study argument that...

("Thus, if the 6:2 rider is the same, the 6:2 rider would wear the same crown as the 19:11-12 rider.")

...therefore...

("The rider of the Rev. 6:2 white horse is Satan.")

...is garbage because the 6:2 rider wears the same crown as Jesus. You have just further disproved your argument when you note that Jesus wears the same crowns as the Beast.:rolling

Agreed... i think i will take a lesson from billy joel here ( never argue with a madman).