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Should we compel our children to go to church or serve God?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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yep , like she said, but only until they're about 80y.o. or so; after that they can make up their own minds!
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ALivingSacrifice.pdf
Matthew 16:24-26
The Message (MSG)
24-26 Then Jesus went to work on his disciples. “Anyone who intends to come with me has to let me lead. You’re not in the driver’s seat; I am. Don’t run from suffering; embrace it. Follow me and I’ll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to finding yourself, your true self. What kind of deal is it to get everything you want but lose yourself? What could you ever trade your soul for?
A million years ago when in highschool it was simple... being told.... be good natured about it and go to church or you dont go out next week end...
Younger....No way would i trade the Sunday School lessons ....
Some of those "flannelboard pictures" are still in my head... Seeing Joshua and Caleb walking back to camp with a pole on their shoulders supporting a huge bunch of grapes.... they came in with a good report ... there are many more....
Younger....No way would i trade the Sunday School lessons ....
Some of those "flannelboard pictures" are still in my head... Seeing Joshua and Caleb walking back to camp with a pole on their shoulders supporting a huge bunch of grapes.... they came in with a good report ... there are many more....
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I would say serve God. I would never compel anyone to go to church just for the sake of going.
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right, if they are not under your care, nurture, control, and responsibility.
if you serve God, or "as" we serve God, we will train up a child in the way he should go. as it is written.
and remember it is also written
"strict discipline(training) is necessary for life" Proverbs (many places, may look for specific one)
if you serve God, or "as" we serve God, we will train up a child in the way he should go. as it is written.
and remember it is also written
"strict discipline(training) is necessary for life" Proverbs (many places, may look for specific one)
I do think a child needs to know our Lord.It is nice for a family to go to Church together.It is nice for the children to know God on their level with other children at Sunday school.I did not grow up in a Christian home and once in a great while a friend would ask me to their Sunday school.I was then exposed to God.When my daughter was in high school she attended a youth group for awhile.She hated it.She was very shy.There were some girls that were overbearing and there were alot of cliques.I did not push it.I do not think anyone should ever go to Church just out of obligation.I know many who go to Church every Sunday but by observing what they say and do I am not impressed.Absolutely no fruit at all.
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Should we compel our children to make their beds, clean their rooms, do their homework or do chores we give them? We "compel" (I don't really think that's a good word) our children to do these things because we know that, even if they don't like it now, it will ultimately be good for them. Why should it be any different with church? Of course, they will eventually reach an age and level of maturity that they can decide for themselves whether they want to go to church or not. After they reach that point, we shouldn't compel them any more, but we can still try to influence them.
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Compel? Not just by mere words of the mouth. Maybe I need to reiterate a bit here. I was spanked and punished: and at times I was made to eat late...things like that. You know some governments may call it child abuse or whatever. So, should we really inflict physical pain upon our children to make them serve God or do all those Christian stuff? Dad did it: and today I'm grateful. So how does it apply to other families and cultures? I know when they become adults they would have their own say. Ta
I don't understand why you would call it physical punishment to bring our children up to know the Lord.The Bible tells us that we are to teach our children about God.Taking our children to Church and teaching them about God is something that we as Christians are suppose to do.If our children turn away from God as adults that is their choice but we need to plant the seed and make sure they know Him.Compel? Not just by mere words of the mouth. Maybe I need to reiterate a bit here. I was spanked and punished: and at times I was made to eat late...things like that. You know some governments may call it child abuse or whatever. So, should we really inflict physical pain upon our children to make them serve God or do all those Christian stuff? Dad did it: and today I'm grateful. So how does it apply to other families and cultures? I know when they become adults they would have their own say. Ta
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Compel? Not just by mere words of the mouth. Maybe I need to reiterate a bit here. I was spanked and punished: and at times I was made to eat late...things like that. You know some governments may call it child abuse or whatever. So, should we really inflict physical pain upon our children to make them serve God or do all those Christian stuff? Dad did it: and today I'm grateful. So how does it apply to other families and cultures? I know when they become adults they would have their own say. Ta
John 6
44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day
John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Isaiah 65
1 “I was sought by those who did not ask for Me;
I was found by those who did not seek Me.
I said, ‘Here I am, here I am,’
To a nation that was not called by My name.
I would never compel anyone, through the use of physical pain, to do something against their will. That's called torture.
The scriptures are abundantly clear. One cannot seek after the Lord unless they are drawn. Forcing the scriptures on a child does not guarantee that child will grow up to be a God fearing individual.
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Classik
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nice perspective. However spanking saved me and a lot of children of our time. (I think some things are wrong with this kind of approach tho, Gary *Not referring to you anyway...because some parents are too negatively servile *). What is the child's will is to stay at home and not go to school? What if the child's will is to do childhood drugs...something learnt from the movies or from bad neighbours? What if the child's will is to boldly turn to that dirty channel on the tv? What ifs...
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What if's don't have a place in a Christian's life.You give them to the Lord.
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I'm not against discipline, I just don't like the idea of hurting a child in order to make them do what we want. Even if what we want them to do is good for them. To me that sends the wrong signal. Not only to the child, but also to those who witness the act.
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As always, just my opinion.
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Children need limits and discipline.I think there are other ways to discipline a child than to spank.I am not against spanking but it should never be done in anger.Children can not do what they want.They have to know that there are some things that they have to do.School is one of them.It is the law.If there is problem with that child not wanting to go to school you need to find out why.I am a big advocate of talking to children and listening and showing that child that they can tell me anything and everything that is on their mind.Never judge or ridicule them.That I am there to love them and help them.Children have to have limits with televison,computer and video games.You need to know who your children are hanging around with.I had moral standards of what was brought into my house.Nothing inappropriate for television,computer (their are parental controls you can put on the computer).No video games that were inappropriate.My son had a friend who had a bad mouth on him.If he said a swear word I sent him home.I was always sending that kid home.My children respected me for what I did.I think they felt safe and they knew they were loved.If they were going to spend the night at a friends house I spoke with the parent.
Too many parents today let their children run wild.They can't be bothered.The children do not know about God.A family should pray together and go to Church together.The children need to see that there mother and father love each other.Because those children will someday have a husband or a wife and if they were brought up in a home with love it will make a big difference.If you can not care for your children and love them with all of your heart then don't have them.
When they get out on their own you know that you have done the best that you can as a parent.You hope they will then make Godly choices.
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By example only., No, never.................. should we compel our children to go to church,. NEVER!!!!
What ironMonk said.............never.
My Children have seen the power of God over and over............ by example only.
What ironMonk said.............never.
My Children have seen the power of God over and over............ by example only.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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when people have been to vietnam, they have a different view of EVERYTHING and a strong hatred of man's destruction anytime, anywhere.
(some people still like death and destruction. I can't speak for them nor to them - they have their own agenda and god and I just don't have anything from Yhwh to say to them. (some time maybe, just not now).)
point is, some people have been to hell and back in a (homemade) basket. they cannot see any good coming out of the severe way some parents or instructors treat others, or the way they
teach others to train others.
for instance, i went through militatry training and survived it; bugt it is very ungodly trainging (in the untied states)l. (the keyboard is rebelling!, no worries, i'm going to let it go to a point).
so when someone or I says spanking is totally required and necessary, that is true and in line with Scripture --- but not the way some people do it or take it or see it. they might have a history or view point that simply cannot accept what they think is being said, and that is a normal human condition at times --- and may take decades or longer to heal, if ever on earth.
some people have never had children, and they just never find out what it takes to raise a Godly family. they don't care, and they don't want to know, as they aren't trying to raise a family and , well, it's just not important to them.
some people have had children, and raised them a certain way, AND IT WORKS! TA DAY! it works, so DON'T CHANGE IT. that is okay at times. and completely understandable, and maybe even right. let it be. IT WORKS - don't try to fix it!