Should we keep the weekly Sabbath?

[TonyChanYT]

I don't think anyone, including Abraham, was commanded to keep the Sabbath until Exodus 31:

13 You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.

Sabbath was a special sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites after exiting Egypt.

In the NT, Jesus healed on the Sabbath in John 5:

8 Jesus said to him [P1], “Get up, take up your bed, and walk.” 9And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked.
Now that day was the Sabbath. 10 So the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to take up your bed.”

According to the Jewish authority, Jesus broke the Sabbath and Jesus told P1 to break the Sabbath. The Pharisees saw sins as external behaviors. See e.g., The 39 Categories of Sabbath Work Prohibited By Law. Jesus shifted the focus to the heart where sin originated (Matthew 5:28).

Paul had this to say in Romans 14:

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6a The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.

Should we keep the Sabbath?

According to Paul, it is up to the individual believers. Further, we should not judge others about Sabbath, Colossians 2:

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

If you keep the Sabbath, are you going to keep the punishment?

Numbers 15:

32While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.

The weekly Sabbath is only a shadow of the true Sabbath rest. Once we have the true reality, there is no need to chase after the shadows.

 

[Who Me]

The weekly Sabbath is only a shadow of the true Sabbath rest. Once we have the true reality, there is no need to chase after the shadows

What would you replace week.y church services with?

Society revolves around a 7 day week, 5 working days and 2 days of rest.

For a healthy church there are the weekly Sunday services, the mid week adult bible study/pray meeting, the mid week durring the day ladies meetings the weekly children's meetings.
You would,d stop all this because it is not the real thing, is only a shadow.

What would.d you replace it with?

 

[TonyChanYT]

What would.d you replace it with?

What made you think that I would replace it? See Finding a home church

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I don't think anyone, including Abraham, was commanded to keep the Sabbath until Exodus 31:


Sabbath was a special sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites after exiting Egypt.

In the NT, Jesus healed on the Sabbath in John 5:


According to the Jewish authority, Jesus broke the Sabbath and Jesus told P1 to break the Sabbath. The Pharisees saw sins as external behaviors. See e.g., The 39 Categories of Sabbath Work Prohibited By Law. Jesus shifted the focus to the heart where sin originated (Matthew 5:28).

Paul had this to say in Romans 14:


Should we keep the Sabbath?

According to Paul, it is up to the individual believers. Further, we should not judge others about Sabbath, Colossians 2:


If you keep the Sabbath, are you going to keep the punishment?

Numbers 15:


The weekly Sabbath is only a shadow of the true Sabbath rest. Once we have the true reality, there is no need to chase after the shadows.

We Disagree, even from the beginning, Genesis 2:2, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:17, Hebrews 4:4

1. Genesis 2:2: “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”
2. Exodus 20:8-11: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
3. Exodus 31:17: “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
4. Hebrews 4:4: “For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.”

Genesis 2:3, Isaiah 58:13, Set apart. in creating had made.

Genesis 2:3 states that God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, as He had rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished. This verse is often interpreted as the establishment of the Sabbath, a day of rest and worship123. Isaiah 58:13 also emphasizes the importance of setting apart the Sabbath and delighting in it.

 

[Mungo]

We Disagree, even from the beginning, Genesis 2:2, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:17, Hebrews 4:4

1. Genesis 2:2: “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”
2. Exodus 20:8-11: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
3. Exodus 31:17: “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
4. Hebrews 4:4: “For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.”

Genesis 2:3, Isaiah 58:13, Set apart. in creating had made.

Genesis 2:3 states that God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, as He had rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished. This verse is often interpreted as the establishment of the Sabbath, a day of rest and worship123. Isaiah 58:13 also emphasizes the importance of setting apart the Sabbath and delighting in it.

You can disagree as much as you like but the facts are:

1. Genesis 2:2 only indicates God rested on that particular 7th day. It doesn't say he rested on every 7th day and more than he created the sun and moon every 4th day, or birds and fish every 5th day, or animals and humans every 6th day.

2. There is no evidence that anyone kept a 7th day sabbath until God instructed the Israelites about it in Ex 16. And from their reaction it was obviously a novelty.

As TonyChanYT said "Sabbath was a special sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites after exiting Egypt."

A sign of a Covenant that no longer exists.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

You can disagree as much as you like but the facts are:

1. Genesis 2:2 only indicates God rested on that particular 7th day. It doesn't say he rested on every 7th day and more than he created the sun and moon every 4th day, or birds and fish every 5th day, or animals and humans every 6th day.

2. There is no evidence that anyone kept a 7th day sabbath until God instructed the Israelites about it in Ex 16. And from their reaction it was obviously a novelty.

As TonyChanYT said "Sabbath was a special sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites after exiting Egypt."

A sign of a Covenant that no longer exists.

We rather agree to His words which come from the mouth of God, as it is written.

 

[Mungo]

We rather agree to His words which come from the mouth of God, as it is written.

Spot on - as it is written:
Gen 2:2 "And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done."
There is only one 7th day after all the work he had done.

Gen 2:3 "So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."
There is only one 7th day after his work which he had done in creation.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Spot on - as it is written:
Gen 2:2 "And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done."
There is only one 7th day after all the work he had done.

Gen 2:3 "So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."
There is only one 7th day after his work which he had done in creation.

Amen, this is what we see about these two verses:

This plan is pictured in type by the seven-day week. Genesis 1:3-31 shows us that God re-created the earth in six days and then created the seventh-day Sabbath by resting on it (Gen. 2:2-3). God is allowing man to work six days (six thousand years), followed with the seventh-day rest (a 1,000-year Sabbath rest).

The apostle Peter wrote, “With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (II Pet. 3:8, NKJV). No doubt, he understood that the seven-day week pictured the 7,000-year plan of God.

Paul also had this in mind when he instructed that the seventh day of the week pictures the millennial rule of Christ that will follow this present evil age of human misrule (Heb. 4:3-11). This “day” will occur after Christ’s intervention and it will last a thousand years (Rev. 20:1-4).

References to this principle are also found in Psalms 90:4 and Hosea 6:2.
The seventh day of the week symbolizes the 1,000-year rulership of Jesus Christ; thus, the first six days of the week picture 6,000 years of man governing himself to work out his own ideas and plans. Each day of the week represents a 1,000-year period.

 

[Who Me]

What made you think that I would replace it? See Finding a home church

Or line of writing implies a questioning of its value and a degree of hostility towards the idea of a regular day of worship.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
Just a quick note, God wasn't all tuckered out and resting on the beach somewhere.

Gr. sabbatismos, a Sabbath rest, a rest from all work (Heb. 4:9; R.V., "sabbath"), a rest like that of God when he had finished the work of creation.

The word for rest means that he stopped doing the work of creation. God wasn't tired. The work was finished.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

This is a pretty awesome place for being built in six days. How fantastic will heaven be?

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Mungo]

Amen, this is what we see about these two verses:

This plan is pictured in type by the seven-day week. Genesis 1:3-31 shows us that God re-created the earth in six days and then created the seventh-day Sabbath by resting on it (Gen. 2:2-3). God is allowing man to work six days (six thousand years), followed with the seventh-day rest (a 1,000-year Sabbath rest).

The apostle Peter wrote, “With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (II Pet. 3:8, NKJV). No doubt, he understood that the seven-day week pictured the 7,000-year plan of God.

Paul also had this in mind when he instructed that the seventh day of the week pictures the millennial rule of Christ that will follow this present evil age of human misrule (Heb. 4:3-11). This “day” will occur after Christ’s intervention and it will last a thousand years (Rev. 20:1-4).

References to this principle are also found in Psalms 90:4 and Hosea 6:2.
The seventh day of the week symbolizes the 1,000-year rulership of Jesus Christ; thus, the first six days of the week picture 6,000 years of man governing himself to work out his own ideas and plans. Each day of the week represents a 1,000-year period.

That would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous.

According to your theory God spent 6,000 years creating the world and then took 1,000 years off on holiday. No wonder the world got in such a mess.

What happened to as it is written?

Moreover there is no suggestion of a 6,000 year/1,000 year repeating cycle.

 

[Randy]

We Disagree, even from the beginning, Genesis 2:2, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:17, Hebrews 4:4

1. Genesis 2:2: “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”
2. Exodus 20:8-11: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
3. Exodus 31:17: “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
4. Hebrews 4:4: “For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.”

Genesis 2:3, Isaiah 58:13, Set apart. in creating had made.

Genesis 2:3 states that God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, as He had rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished. This verse is often interpreted as the establishment of the Sabbath, a day of rest and worship123. Isaiah 58:13 also emphasizes the importance of setting apart the Sabbath and delighting in it.

Are you speaking in terms of a day set aside to worship God or as is also in the law in regard to the sabbath a complete absence of work with even meals prepared in advance? As in a day of rest.

 

[TonyChanYT]

Or line of writing implies a questioning of its value and a degree of hostility towards the idea of a regular day of worship.

Can you quote my words?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

That would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous.

According to your theory God spent 6,000 years creating the world and then took 1,000 years off on holiday. No wonder the world got in such a mess.

What happened to as it is written?

Moreover there is no suggestion of a 6,000 year/1,000 year repeating cycle.

We disagree.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
I disagree also.

"The apostle Peter wrote, “With the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (II Pet. 3:8, NKJV). No doubt, he understood that the seven-day week pictured the 7,000-year plan of God." Quote from WalterandDebbie

All Peter is saying is that God doesn't regard time as we do. This is obvious. God existed before time. God created time. God will exist after time ends. So when you are an eternal being, time is not a factor. I do not believe Peter understood anything at all about this mythical 7000 year plan. Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[WalterandDebbie]

All Peter is saying is that God doesn't regard time as we do. This is obvious. God existed before time. God created time. God will exist after time ends. So when you are an eternal being, time is not a factor. I do not believe Peter understood anything at all about this mythical 7000 year plan.

We disagree.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
My statement is logical. You disagreed with Mungo and me.

"We disagree." Quote from WalterandDebbie

Show us how you get a 6000 year creation time from Genesis 1. I showed you my logic. You show us yours. Moses specifically puts it as:

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Moses is describing physical time "evening and morning;" not imaginary. "The first day" is also specific.

If what you are saying is true, that this first day represents 1000 years, then the Bible starts out in the first chapter lying to us. Why, then, should I trust anything it says. (As Ricky Ricardo would say, "Lucy! Ju got some splainin to do!")
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Who Me]

Can you quote my words?

As Ji said your writing implied you were questioning and as there was nothing positive a out Sunday worship that is how I understood you.

 

[lastofall]

We ought to listen only and exclusively to what the Lord Jesus Christ says concerning all things, including the Sabbath: The Lord tells us plainly in Mark 2:27 saying, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

 

[TonyChanYT]

As Ji said your writing implied you were questioning and as there was nothing positive a out Sunday worship that is how I understood you.

Can you quote my words to support your accusation?