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Sixteen Crucified saviors

Gary: Oh.... so the first 300 years of the new religion
(the majority of which consists of converted Jews) is not relevant?
How so? Does that not show that a large numbers of Jews believed the Apostles (all Jews)
and the New Testament (8 of the authors were Jews)?
So the claim that all the Jews rejected Jesus is incorrect.

Chupacabra: "... while most early Christians were Jews, most Jews were not Christians following Jesus's death."

Gary: Thank you. You prove my point. Jews converted to Christianity.
Most earrly Christians (for the first 300 years) were Jews.
Therefore, the claim that all the Jews rejected Jesus is incorrect.

Chupacabra: "... The reasons for Jews who did not convert as seen on the site Quath posted seem pretty solid to me and you've yet to refute them."

Gary: They may seem "solid" to you but I have given you over 100 sites
of Messianic Jews which obviously disagree with Quath's single site.
http://www.messianic.com/top/index.htm

Do you need more than that?

:)
 
Gary_Bee said:
The facts remain. The majority of Christians for the first 300 years were converted Jews.
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I find it interesting that this 'fact' you keep repeating is refuted by the very source you provided.

Earlier, you quoted two paragraphs from this page referring to Table 4. The last column shows the percentage of Gentile Christians, which reaches 56.1% by 250 AD. In fact, if you interpolate, you see there are more Gentile converts than Jewish ones by 220 AD.

Continuing to read, the last paragraph reveals "The two foregoing projections consisted of estimates based upon a Judeo-Christian population of 3 million in 300 CE. This was the defined upper limit for purposes arguendo." Table 5 shows the lower limit, and by that estimate, Gentiles exceed Jews by 120 AD.

And let's not forget, Pentecost didn't happen at 0 AD, but rather at 30 AD.

So, actually the fact is "The majority of Christians for the first 90 to 190 years were converted Jews."
 
They may seem "solid" to you but I have given you over 100 sites
of Messianic Jews which obviously disagree with Quath's single site.
http://www.messianic.com/top/index.htm

Do you need more than that?
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As a matter of fact, I do need more than that. Providing a directory of sites far from refutes the single site provided by Quath. A preponderance of sites do not disprove one site just because of their existance.
 
Most so-called Jews don't believe their prophets, why would they believe the Son of their God|?

Just cos they choose to denigh the truth doesn't mean that the truth isn't true!
 
truth

evanman said:
Most so-called Jews don't believe their prophets, why would they believe the Son of their God|?
What prophets don't the Jews believe or are you saying that the Jews don't believe their Messiah is coming?

Just cos they choose to denigh the truth doesn't mean that the truth isn't true!
Outside of the Talmud which was written some two hundred years after the supposed event the Jews know nothing of Jesus. As I said before if Jesus was who he was claimed to be the truth would be self evident.I don't care what kind of power and influence the pharasees may have wielded the common Jew if they witnessed what was attributed to Jesus they would have walked. I also think the pharasees themselves would have jumped on the bandwagon as well. After all they were a power hungry bunch already in power why not get in on the real thing. There is no evidence of it. The inference to Jesus in the Talmud was probably written as a defense reaction to Christian proselytizing. Jesus never existed.
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Know better

Gary_Bee said:
If you want to start with one, start here....

http://www.messiahrevealed.org/index.html

If you like it by category, try this....

http://www.messiahrevealed.org/category.html

Lastly, as for answering the skeptics, read this....

http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/ds/q1208/

Enjoy!
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Gary, your links use psalms as prophecies.Psalms are not prophecies. Even you know better than this. That little fact alone should make you sit up and question the rest. None of those prophecies were considered prophecies at the time. The prophecied you use to back your claim were manufactured. Lets use this one example and ask yourself how anyone could possibly stretch it into a prophecy.
"THE PREDICTION: Messiah would come "out of" Bethlehem. All agree that Micah 5:1-4 predicts that Jerusalem would be invaded by enemy forces (v.1), that Israel would be temporarily abandoned by God (v.3), and that someday Messiah would restore Israel, establishing a kingdom of universal peace and justice (vv.3-4). Micah declared that this Deliverer would come "out of" Bethlehem. " That was from your last link. Where did Jesus ever restore Israel and establish a kingdom of universal peace.If you say that Israel is restored today how do you explain that Jesus is not here? If you say that is to be in the future I say to you that you whistling in the dark .
 
Regardless of whether or not Jews believed in Jesus to be the Messiah doesn't matter. There always have been, and still are, many different ideas about what the Messiah will be like and what will happen when he returns. There are sects of Jews who have had several potential Messiahs since the time of Christ. There is a hopeful Messiah alive at this moment for these (maybe just 'this') sect(s).
 
I do not look to the Talmud for anything to base my beliefs on.

Most so-called Jews today don't believe Moses. They do not keep Yom Kippur as prescribed, they believe that the sacrifice of a chicken will please God?

They reject Isaiah's prophecy in chapter 53.

They reject Daniel's prophecy concerning the date of Messiah's death.

They reject their prophets, which their fathers did before, for they persecuted the prophets.
 
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