So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolera

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So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm

And for those who did not know, even the bible says that those who apaostate from their religion and try to convince others to do so should be stoned to death.So stop blaming Islam of intolerance, Mt7;5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye

 

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This is the story of the wife of a coptic priest who was not forced but Voluntarily chose Islam as her religion but the Intolerance of the Chrsitians they caused a riot over it.Then Blame Islam as being intolerant.

When the social becomes political
Was an incident involving a priest's wife allegedly converting to Islam totally overblown?
Reem Nafie investigates



Although the priest's wife re-appeared, and the Coptic protests that surrounded her initial disappearance have died down, the current calm belies a lack of clarity regarding the saga as a whole.

Wafaa Constantine, the wife of a Coptic priest in the Beheira village of Abul- Matameer 150 kilometres north of Cairo, resurfaced on 8 December, ending nearly two weeks of protests claiming that she was kidnapped and allegedly forced to convert to Islam.

The story began on 27 November, when Constantine, the wife of Father Joseph Moawad, was reported missing by her brother. Her husband was ill at the time and seeking treatment in Alexandria.

Five days later, the Beheira governor and local police officials informed Constantine's family that she had converted to Islam and was currently in Cairo with a Muslim family.

Already anxious about her disappearance, Abul-Matameer's Copts began to protest. Many were highly sceptical of the scenario suggested by the police. Another story quickly evolved, that Constantine, 47, had allegedly fallen in love with her engineer colleague Mohamed El-Margun, who had convinced her that the only way they could get married would be if she converted to Islam.

When the police questioned El-Margun, he said that he had no idea that Constantine had converted to Islam; he also claimed that there was no "relationship" between them.

Many Copts, like Youth Bishop Moussa, a high-ranking Coptic official, remained unconvinced. El-Margun had probably "tackled sensitive issues in her life", namely that her bed-ridden husband was suffering from diabetes and has had both his legs amputated, "and played on them to convince her" to convert, Moussa told Al-Ahram Weekly.

The issue could have easily been resolved in Abul-Matameer, Moussa said, if the police had returned Constantine to the church when she first disappeared, and allowed her to be questioned. "If she really did want to convert, then she is free to do so," he said, "but we need to ask her, and these are the legal procedures."

The procedures he was referring to involve having anyone seeking to convert to Islam discuss his or her decision with a priest before his or her conversion is officially acknowledged.

Moussa suggested that the police had acted in an "irresponsible and strange manner", by allowing Constantine to be taken to Cairo, even though they were aware of the fact that hundreds of angry Copts had gathered at the Abul- Matameer Church awaiting her arrival. "This is not just any woman, she is the wife of a priest," Moussa said, which meant, "the police cannot just announce that she has decided to become a Muslim, and expect that young, angry protesters will let the issue pass."

Police officers at the Coptic Orthodox Cathedral in Cairo said Constantine was brought to the capital because the police felt that she would not be safe in Abul-Matameer, especially after protesters waiting for her arrival had gathered in front of the church. "We needed to move her somewhere where we could provide her with protection," one officer said.

Hundreds of Copts had also gathered at the cathedral compound in Abbasiya. By Tuesday 7 December, Moussa said, the situation had escalated because "the police kept promising us every day that Constantine would return to the church for us to talk to her, and every day we would wait, and she never came."

The issue was finally resolved on Tuesday night, when Pope Shenouda III called Zakaria Azmi, chief of the presidential staff, and asked him to inform President Hosni Mubarak about the escalating situation. Only then did the church get a phone call from the police saying Constantine would be available for discussion the next day.

On Wednesday, the 1,000 Copts at the cathedral started to hurl stones at riot police, allegedly injuring nearly 21 officers. Nearly a dozen protesters were also injured, as the police threw the stones back at the protesters.

Around 30 young men were arrested on charges of participating in illegal demonstrations and causing unrest. Moussa claimed that those arrested were not amongst the demonstrators, and were only ordinary people leaving the church. Police officers said they were amongst those who were throwing stones from the cathedral's courtyard.

Constantine was supposed to be back by the afternoon of 8 December, just before the Pope's weekly mass. "The Pope was to assure the protesters that she was back so that they could now leave in peace," Moussa said. She did not, however, return till late that night, and by then the Pope, "distressed" that she was not there on time, had left to a nearby monastery and did not address his weekly mass, as he "did not know what to say to the protesters," Moussa said.

After Constantine was finally handed over to the church, she was transported to another undisclosed church where a committee is currently meeting with her on a daily basis to try and find out the entire truth. This church is surrounded by heavy security, and no outsiders are allowed to enter or meet with her. According to Moussa, who is one of the committee members that have met with her several times over the past week, Constantine seemed "drugged the first few days, and was unable to speak". Although Moussa implied that security forces had drugged her while transporting her to the church, security officials spoken to by the Weekly denied those claims, saying she was "lucid and fine" when she was handed over to the church.

Moussa said most press reports claiming that Constantine had become a Muslim of her own free will, after watching several Islamic programmes on television, were untrue. Last Thursday's London-based Asharq Al-Awsat, claimed that Constantine had told the paper that she believed in her new religion, and that her alleged "love story was not true", and that everything that had been said about her was "rumours".

According to Moussa, the press reports were untrue because "when she came to her senses and started to speak to us, she seemed to be convinced that she is still a Christian." Apparently, she was also worried about her son and daughter, who are both college students, and expressed concern about the rumours that had spread about her. Moussa told the Weekly that Constantine is "still a Christian, married to Father Joseph, and had never become a Muslim. It was all just a thought that came to her as a result of pressure from her colleague at work."

Recent Coptic-Muslim tensions are the result of a deeper wound that has existed for the past 20 years or so, said Nabil Abdel-Fattah, the chief editor of the annual The State of Religion in Egypt Report, issued by Al-Ahram's Centre for Political and Strategic Studies. The under-representation of Copts on the political scene, their feeling that they are second class citizens, and their inability to express their viewpoints, are all factors that have contributed to the escalation of an individual incident, he said.

Because the government has provided Copts with little room to participate in the political domain, Abdel-Fattah said, they are expressing themselves politically on issues of a social nature. Thus, when a woman decides to become a Muslim, this social issue takes on a political nature where the "church" expresses its feelings of persecution and under representation in civil society.

Other complaints include restrictions on building churches. Moussa referred to this as a problem that needed to be solved; as long as it is buried, he said, it would continue to erupt every once in a while.

In the Southern governorate of Assiut, for instance, priests are complaining that governorate officials have not given them permission to build new churches. The officials denied the accusations, saying that no new requests were received, and that there was not a need for new churches in Assiut. Moussa spoke of the general bureaucratic delays experienced by Christians who want to build churches in Egypt. He blamed a 1934 law that requires Christians to fulfil ten conditions, as well as obtain presidential permission, before a church is built.

Moussa said one possible solution would be for "the government to create a committee to look into the problems of Coptic Christians and reach a fair reconciliation".

Abdel-Fattah agreed, saying the Copts should return to the "political scene".

 

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Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm

And for those who did not know, even the bible says that those who apaostate from their religion and try to convince others to do so should be stoned to death.So stop blaming Islam of intolerance, Mt7;5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye

And could you be so kind as to prove your accusation that the Bible says those who apostate from their religion and try to convince otheres to so should be stoned to death. If anybody should be stoned t death it should be those who raped these two little girls, just because their were the children of Christians parents go away with you.

Parents demand ATC trial for rapists of infant girls

ISLAMABAD: The sobbing parents of two girls, one only two-years-old, appealed on Tuesday for the men accused of raping their daughters to be tried by an anti-terrorism court and slammed the government for neglecting the case.

Manir Masih, the father of the two-year-old and Parveen Barkat, mother of the seven-year-old victim, faced a press conference in Islamabad to recount the attacks on their daughters and the threats their families received from the men they accused of rape.

Masih said that his daughter was raped on April 6 near their home in Gujranwala. He discovered her lying covered in blood and saw a man, identified as Hussain, fleeing from the scene. "When I saw her covered in blood, I lost my mind," he told reporters.

Doctors have said the toddler must undergo six separate surgical operations to repair severe genital and bowel injuries, Christian rights activist Shahbaz Bhatti told the press conference.

Hussain’s family was now threatening to kill Masih and his relatives unless they drop charges. "If the beast is not tried in a terrorism court and given due punishment, I along with my four children and wife will immolate ourselves in front of parliament," Masih said.

Parveen Barkat said that her seven-year-old daughter was raped on May 29 in Lahore. The family of the accused man was pressuring her husband to withdraw charges. "My young child has been raped, my husband is sick and confined to bed for the last six years, I do not know what to do," Barkat told AFP.

Bhatti said that the government had "done nothing" about the rape of the infant girls. "We raised this issue in the Punjab assembly but government as usual gave deaf ear, neglected and ignored these brutal incidents of rape of two minor Christian girls" Bhatti said

 

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Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm

And for those who did not know, even the bible says that those who apaostate from their religion and try to convince others to do so should be stoned to death.So stop blaming Islam of intolerance, Mt7;5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye

And could you be so kind as to prove your accusation that the Bible says those who apostate from their religion and try to convince otheres to so should be stoned to death. If anybody should be stoned t death it should be those who raped these two little girls, just because their were the children of Christians parents go away with you.

Parents demand ATC trial for rapists of infant girls

ISLAMABAD: The sobbing parents of two girls, one only two-years-old, appealed on Tuesday for the men accused of raping their daughters to be tried by an anti-terrorism court and slammed the government for neglecting the case.

Manir Masih, the father of the two-year-old and Parveen Barkat, mother of the seven-year-old victim, faced a press conference in Islamabad to recount the attacks on their daughters and the threats their families received from the men they accused of rape.

Masih said that his daughter was raped on April 6 near their home in Gujranwala. He discovered her lying covered in blood and saw a man, identified as Hussain, fleeing from the scene. "When I saw her covered in blood, I lost my mind," he told reporters.

Doctors have said the toddler must undergo six separate surgical operations to repair severe genital and bowel injuries, Christian rights activist Shahbaz Bhatti told the press conference.

Hussain’s family was now threatening to kill Masih and his relatives unless they drop charges. "If the beast is not tried in a terrorism court and given due punishment, I along with my four children and wife will immolate ourselves in front of parliament," Masih said.

Parveen Barkat said that her seven-year-old daughter was raped on May 29 in Lahore. The family of the accused man was pressuring her husband to withdraw charges. "My young child has been raped, my husband is sick and confined to bed for the last six years, I do not know what to do," Barkat told AFP.

Bhatti said that the government had "done nothing" about the rape of the infant girls. "We raised this issue in the Punjab assembly but government as usual gave deaf ear, neglected and ignored these brutal incidents of rape of two minor Christian girls" Bhatti said

It shows how much you know your bible shame, rather than slander islam why not go and study your own book may be GOD will guide you. Or may be you do not want to study that part of the Bilbe shall we remove those verses and a few other that they have removed and added and changed, so people don't see teh truth about the Bible.
Deutronomy 13:
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

For once I agree with you that those who did this should be stoned to death this is not Islam and those who attribute it to Islam are even more ignorant than those who did it. We donot judge or condemn a religion because of the actions of a few. A few years back in South Africa a few sick perverted Men with aids raped nine moth old babies because they were told it was a cure for aids.They were not muslims so shall we post that and blame the whole of Christianity for it or do we hide that one and show only what muslims did.The talmud says sex with a 3 year old is allowed and it is just like a poke in the eye.Shall we conceal that too and show only what muslims do and blame that on Islam.Double satndards but hate it when it is done too you. ( your faults are to be conceals and others displayed),Did Jesus teach that too?

Peace
:angel:

 

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Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm
Here is the reason why the Christians where worried is this my friend.

Christians in Egypt became so enraged at what they must endure that they demonstrated in their thousands in various Egyptian cities on 5th and 6th December. The last straw, which triggered the demonstration, was apparently the news that the wife of a Coptic Orthodox priest had disappeared and converted to Islam. The woman was later returned to the Christian community and re-affirmed her Christian faith. One major grievances of Egyptian Christians is the frequent abduction and forced conversion of many of their women and girls; less prominent cases rarely end as happily as this one. Young Christians men are often forced to convert to Islam by being picked up by the police and falsely accused of having illegal drugs; they are told the charges will be dropped if they convert to islam. Other Christians are offered houses, money or jobs if they will become Muslims. Added to this are the perpetual problems Christians face with regard to buildings for worship. Can you worship freely in the west? Are we abduction your young women and girls and force them to convert to Christianity? Do we bribe you to convert? Do we persecute you for believing in a moon god? I am so tired of Islamic manipulating, distorting, lying, twisting the truth, murdering, raping, mayhem the Christina and then turn around and tell you that’s a lie and when we the Christians confront them with the truth we are hypocrites full of hate not being real Christians because we do not show love towards Muslims give me a break. Jesus said that the truth shall set you free. HE didn’t say that we should appease the Muslims in order for them to do what they bloody well liked did HE?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA THE HOLY ONE AND THE ONLY ONE soon to come AMEN, AMEN.
chana

 

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Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm
Here is the reason why the Christians where worried is this my friend.

Christians in Egypt became so enraged at what they must endure that they demonstrated in their thousands in various Egyptian cities on 5th and 6th December. The last straw, which triggered the demonstration, was apparently the news that the wife of a Coptic Orthodox priest had disappeared and converted to Islam. The woman was later returned to the Christian community and re-affirmed her Christian faith. One major grievances of Egyptian Christians is the frequent abduction and forced conversion of many of their women and girls; less prominent cases rarely end as happily as this one. Young Christians men are often forced to convert to Islam by being picked up by the police and falsely accused of having illegal drugs; they are told the charges will be dropped if they convert to islam. Other Christians are offered houses, money or jobs if they will become Muslims. Added to this are the perpetual problems Christians face with regard to buildings for worship. Can you worship freely in the west? Are we abduction your young women and girls and force them to convert to Christianity? Do we bribe you to convert? Do we persecute you for believing in a moon god? I am so tired of Islamic manipulating, distorting, lying, twisting the truth, murdering, raping, mayhem the Christina and then turn around and tell you that’s a lie and when we the Christians confront them with the truth we are hypocrites full of hate not being real Christians because we do not show love towards Muslims give me a break. Jesus said that the truth shall set you free. HE didn’t say that we should appease the Muslims in order for them to do what they bloody well liked did HE?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA THE HOLY ONE AND THE ONLY ONE soon to come AMEN, AMEN.
chana

The same technics your missionaries are using in muslim world to Bribe Muslims to Leave Islam.Openiong schools in muslim countries but open for christians only and hospitals too, if you are not christian you die so don't try and play the Goodie goodie as is if you lot are innocent of all this.recently after the tsunami loads of missionaries were sent into Indonesia not to help them from their plight but to convert them.The govt caught on and kicked them out. Read My post Con'vert muslims and you will see the tactis your people are using to convert muslims. missionaries working hand in hand with the army, the Army destroys the missionaries come in and offer aid in the name of Jesus. you think I was born yesterday.First of all you don't know your own book save your time and your breath and go and learn rather than asking a muslim to come and teach you your own religion.
Peace
:angel:

 

[YESHUA]

Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm

And for those who did not know, even the bible says that those who apaostate from their religion and try to convince others to do so should be stoned to death.So stop blaming Islam of intolerance, Mt7;5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye

And could you be so kind as to prove your accusation that the Bible says those who apostate from their religion and try to convince others to so should be stoned to death. If anybody should be stoned t death it should be those who raped these two little girls, just because their were the children of Christians parents go away with you.

Parents demand ATC trial for rapists of infant girls

ISLAMABAD: The sobbing parents of two girls, one only two-years-old, appealed on Tuesday for the men accused of raping their daughters to be tried by an anti-terrorism court and slammed the government for neglecting the case.

Manir Masih, the father of the two-year-old and Parveen Barkat, mother of the seven-year-old victim, faced a press conference in Islamabad to recount the attacks on their daughters and the threats their families received from the men they accused of rape.

Masih said that his daughter was raped on April 6 near their home in Gujranwala. He discovered her lying covered in blood and saw a man, identified as Hussain, fleeing from the scene. "When I saw her covered in blood, I lost my mind," he told reporters.

Doctors have said the toddler must undergo six separate surgical operations to repair severe genital and bowel injuries, Christian rights activist Shahbaz Bhatti told the press conference.

Hussain’s family was now threatening to kill Masih and his relatives unless they drop charges. "If the beast is not tried in a terrorism court and given due punishment, I along with my four children and wife will immolate ourselves in front of parliament," Masih said.

Parveen Barkat said that her seven-year-old daughter was raped on May 29 in Lahore. The family of the accused man was pressuring her husband to withdraw charges. "My young child has been raped, my husband is sick and confined to bed for the last six years, I do not know what to do," Barkat told AFP.

Bhatti said that the government had "done nothing" about the rape of the infant girls. "We raised this issue in the Punjab assembly but government as usual gave deaf ear, neglected and ignored these brutal incidents of rape of two minor Christian girls" Bhatti said

It shows how much you know your bible shame, rather than slander islam why not go and study your own book may be GOD will guide you. Or may be you do not want to study that part of the Bilbe shall we remove those verses and a few other that they have removed and added and changed, so people don't see teh truth about the Bible.
Deutronomy 13:
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

For once I agree with you that those who did this should be stoned to death this is not Islam and those who attribute it to Islam are even more ignorant than those who did it. We donot judge or condemn a religion because of the actions of a few. A few years back in South Africa a few sick perverted Men with aids raped nine moth old babies because they were told it was a cure for aids.They were not muslims so shall we post that and blame the whole of Christianity for it or do we hide that one and show only what muslims did.The talmud says sex with a 3 year old is allowed and it is just like a poke in the eye.Shall we conceal that too and show only what muslims do and blame that on Islam.Double satndards but hate it when it is done too you. ( your faults are to be conceals and others displayed),Did Jesus teach that too?

Peace
:angel:

A few years back in South Africa a few sick perverted Men with aids raped nine moth old babies because they were told it was a cure for aids.They were not muslims so shall we post that and blame the whole of Christianity for it or do we hide that one and show only what muslims did.
Are you sure this men were Christians?
I doubt this very much, it sound like it was done by tribal black people ask Gary his from S.A
The talmud says sex with a 3 year old is allowed and it is just like a poke in the eye.
The Talmud is not part of the Bible so what exactly is your point here.

Your at fault here my friend just how many Christians do you se killing Christians for converting? And your the one ignorant of the Bible there is a division between the Old and the New Testament and because you do not know this your ignorant and I do not go around and slander or curse other peoples religion, but I tell it like it is and what I se in Islam has nothing to do with GOD and if thats slander and cursing then it is your definition not mine and your the one calling names I have not been calling anybody names I have called Hujo a liar and was rebuked for it and thats all, whereas your calling people hypocrites and that were not Christians and now your sore at us because we point to the liars in the Qur'an
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon
chana

 

[YESHUA]

Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm
Here is the reason why the Christians where worried is this my friend.

Christians in Egypt became so enraged at what they must endure that they demonstrated in their thousands in various Egyptian cities on 5th and 6th December. The last straw, which triggered the demonstration, was apparently the news that the wife of a Coptic Orthodox priest had disappeared and converted to Islam. The woman was later returned to the Christian community and re-affirmed her Christian faith. One major grievances of Egyptian Christians is the frequent abduction and forced conversion of many of their women and girls; less prominent cases rarely end as happily as this one. Young Christians men are often forced to convert to Islam by being picked up by the police and falsely accused of having illegal drugs; they are told the charges will be dropped if they convert to islam. Other Christians are offered houses, money or jobs if they will become Muslims. Added to this are the perpetual problems Christians face with regard to buildings for worship. Can you worship freely in the west? Are we abduction your young women and girls and force them to convert to Christianity? Do we bribe you to convert? Do we persecute you for believing in a moon god? I am so tired of Islamic manipulating, distorting, lying, twisting the truth, murdering, raping, mayhem the Christina and then turn around and tell you that’s a lie and when we the Christians confront them with the truth we are hypocrites full of hate not being real Christians because we do not show love towards Muslims give me a break. Jesus said that the truth shall set you free. HE didn’t say that we should appease the Muslims in order for them to do what they bloody well liked did HE?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA THE HOLY ONE AND THE ONLY ONE soon to come AMEN, AMEN.
chana

The same technics your missionaries are using in muslim world to Bribe Muslims to Leave Islam.Openiong schools in muslim countries but open for christians only and hospitals too, if you are not christian you die so don't try and play the Goodie goodie as is if you lot are innocent of all this.recently after the tsunami loads of missionaries were sent into Indonesia not to help them from their plight but to convert them.The govt caught on and kicked them out. Read My post Con'vert muslims and you will see the tactis your people are using to convert muslims. missionaries working hand in hand with the army, the Army destroys the missionaries come in and offer aid in the name of Jesus. you think I was born yesterday.First of all you don't know your own book save your time and your breath and go and learn rather than asking a muslim to come and teach you your own religion.
Peace
:angel:

I know quit a lot of muslims that have been going to this missioner schools because their parents where to poor to give them a proper education and after the child had learn to read and write the parents took the child out of the school but not before the child could read and write. And your not telling the truth about the Christians there is to much hate in you for that but what ever your reasons for doing so may the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless you.
And no Christian would let a muslim die, you have it backwards my friend and I know you and it so sad to se the hate in you and the denial of the truth believe me no Christian would kill another Christian for converting regardless of what the Old Testament says don't you understand this or you don't want to.
So if you know so much about Christianity tell me this is JESUS the SON of GOD?

 

[warner]

Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is intolerant)
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 (AVRLE) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


Copt protest in Egypt ends


Tuesday 01 March 2005, 6:00 Makka Time, 3:00 GMT


The protests ended on Monday after assurances from officials

Egyptian Coptic Christians agitated by two girls' decision to convert to Islam have ended their sit-in at Mar Girgis church in al-Fayyum governorate, south of Cairo, Aljazeera reports.


The protest came to an end on Monday after Egyptian security authorities agreed to hold a discussion on issues regarding the choice of faith of the two medical students who embraced Islam.

Coptic Christians and other minorities constitute about 6% of the population of predominantly Islamic Egypt.


Egyptian security authorities had initially refused to hand over the two Coptic Christian girls, who had announced their conversion to Islam to their families in al-Fayyum, Aljazeera said.


The girls may be transferred to a safe place in Cairo, sources told Aljazeera earlier on Monday.


A number of top Egyptian security officials had travelled to al-Fayyum in an attempt to investigate and resolve the dispute.


Sit-in at church


After learning that the girls had embraced Islam, several hundred agitated young Coptic Christians held a protest inside Mar Girgis church on Monday, chanting slogans against the conversion, according to Lina Ghadban, Aljazeera's correspondent in Egypt.

Some protesters speculated that the two girls, Marian Ayyad and Teresa Gorgy - both medical students at al-Fayyum general hospital - were pressured into changing their faith and were prevented from returning to Christianity.

Egyptian security officials have, however, vehemently denied the accusation, saying that the girls had in fact notified the authorities concerned to officially announce and document their change of faith.

Not the first


The al-Fayyum incident comes only two months after a similar furore over a conversion incident.

In the previous case, a Coptic Christian woman's decision to embrace Islam triggered angry reactions from the community in Egypt. After discussions with the authorities, she renounced her decision.

During that incident, the Egyptian Coptic Christians' spiritual head, Pope Shenouda III, had secluded himself inside Wadi al-Natrun church after the arrest of some youths who were agitating inside the cathedral against the conversion.


The controversy persisted until the woman was returned to the Church and the detained youths released.

Aljazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 1D4A66.htm
Here is the reason why the Christians where worried is this my friend.

Christians in Egypt became so enraged at what they must endure that they demonstrated in their thousands in various Egyptian cities on 5th and 6th December. The last straw, which triggered the demonstration, was apparently the news that the wife of a Coptic Orthodox priest had disappeared and converted to Islam. The woman was later returned to the Christian community and re-affirmed her Christian faith. One major grievances of Egyptian Christians is the frequent abduction and forced conversion of many of their women and girls; less prominent cases rarely end as happily as this one. Young Christians men are often forced to convert to Islam by being picked up by the police and falsely accused of having illegal drugs; they are told the charges will be dropped if they convert to islam. Other Christians are offered houses, money or jobs if they will become Muslims. Added to this are the perpetual problems Christians face with regard to buildings for worship. Can you worship freely in the west? Are we abduction your young women and girls and force them to convert to Christianity? Do we bribe you to convert? Do we persecute you for believing in a moon god? I am so tired of Islamic manipulating, distorting, lying, twisting the truth, murdering, raping, mayhem the Christina and then turn around and tell you that’s a lie and when we the Christians confront them with the truth we are hypocrites full of hate not being real Christians because we do not show love towards Muslims give me a break. Jesus said that the truth shall set you free. HE didn’t say that we should appease the Muslims in order for them to do what they bloody well liked did HE?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA THE HOLY ONE AND THE ONLY ONE soon to come AMEN, AMEN.
chana

The same technics your missionaries are using in muslim world to Bribe Muslims to Leave Islam.Openiong schools in muslim countries but open for christians only and hospitals too, if you are not christian you die so don't try and play the Goodie goodie as is if you lot are innocent of all this.recently after the tsunami loads of missionaries were sent into Indonesia not to help them from their plight but to convert them.The govt caught on and kicked them out. Read My post Con'vert muslims and you will see the tactis your people are using to convert muslims. missionaries working hand in hand with the army, the Army destroys the missionaries come in and offer aid in the name of Jesus. you think I was born yesterday.First of all you don't know your own book save your time and your breath and go and learn rather than asking a muslim to come and teach you your own religion.
Peace
:angel:

I know quit a lot of muslims that have been going to this missioner schools because their parents where to poor to give them a proper education and after the child had learn to read and write the parents took the child out of the school but not before the child could read and write. And your not telling the truth about the Christians there is to much hate in you for that but what ever your reasons for doing so may the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless you.
And no Christian would let a muslim die, you have it backwards my friend and I know you and it so sad to se the hate in you and the denial of the truth believe me no Christian would kill another Christian for converting regardless of what the Old Testament says don't you understand this or you don't want to.
So if you know so much about Christianity tell me this is JESUS the SON of GOD?

I think you live on another planet in another world or you do not like to beleive the truth .If it said by a non Chrsitian then for you it is lies.You only beleive what your people say even if it is a lie.

And no Christian would let a muslim die, you have it backwards my friend and I know you and it so sad to se the hate in you and the denial of the truth believe me no Christian would kill another Christian for converting regardless of what the Old Testament says don't you understand this or you don't want to.

You seem to know very little about what goes on in this world or may be you pretend to. I have personal freinds who have come to islam aand they are from various non muslim countries and they cannot go back home since they are not welcome back home, they have been threatened with death by their own people, if they come home so pls don't not pretend to make yourself so naive that no Non muslims will Kill their own people if they leave their religion.I can show you the Story of a 15 year of girl who was Stabbed in Austarlia cos she had decided to accept islam.Pls wake up to the real world,don't try to hide the truth people are not stupid and don't try to make your religin and its followers look perfect.They are not.
You claim a christian will not let muslims die,I have known people who in their own countries in Africa who have been refused treatment because when they had been asked to renounce islam they refused, and other countries toothis has happened so wake up to reality and come back to earth.
Peace
:angel:

 

[Gary]

The "religion of peace"?

What rubbish! Islam has never been a religion of peace. Islam will never be a religion of peace.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

IF you find Christians who have murdered for their religion, they have NOT followed Jesus' commands. However, if you find Muslims who have murdered for their religion, they ARE following Muhammad's example!

Click on this link..... it takes time because there are so many atrocities committed by Muslims every day in the name of their religion. It is all very sad.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

 

[warner]

The "religion of peace"?

What rubbish! Islam has never been a religion of peace. Islam will never be a religion of peace.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

IF you find Christians who have murdered for their religion, they have NOT followed Jesus' commands. However, if you find Muslims who have murdered for their religion, they ARE following Muhammad's example!

Click on this link..... it takes time because there are so many atrocities committed by Muslims every day in the name of their religion. It is all very sad.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

So to Defend your religion you claim they have not followed Jesus's command so it is ok for them.So they can commit any vile crime they wish just brush it off as they did not follow Jesus. Non of you ever follow Jesus anyway, in any of your actions

You think people are stupid.


Lu 19:
27 (AVRLE) But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Mt 10:
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Lu 12:

49 (AV) I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
53 (AV) The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Lu 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

So much for the prince of peace you have to hate your Mother and father to be his disciple.
Jesus came to set the world on fire not bring Peace who do you think you are fooling?



008.073.002 - Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab) - - - -

Narrated Abu Huraira

A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man said. "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man further said, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man asked for the fourth time, "Who is next?"The Prophet said, "Your father. "


Peace
:angel:

 

[Gary]

Commentary on Luke 12:49-53 by John Gill

Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

I am come to send fire on the earth,.... Meaning either the Gospel, which is as fire, that gives both light and heat, warms the hearts of God's people, and causes them to burn within them; though very distressing and torturing to wicked men; so the word of God is compared to fire, in Jer_20:9. Or else zeal for it, and which would be opposed with sharp contentions by others; or rather persecution for the sake of the Gospel, called sometimes the fiery trial; which tries men, as gold is tried in the fire, what they are, and what their principles and profession be; unless the Holy Ghost, and baptizing with him, and with fire, should be meant; since Christ in the next verse, speaks of the baptism of his sufferings, which that was to follow:

and what will I? what shall I say concerning this fire? what shall I wish and pray for? what would be pleasing and agreeable to me? even this,

if it be already kindled; or "that it were already kindled", or "O that it were already kindled"; meaning either that the Gospel was warmly preached by his disciples, and zealously defended by them, as it was after his death and resurrection; or that hot persecution was raised against it which was now beginning, since the advantage of it would be far greater than the evil in it: or that the Holy Ghost was come down in cloven tongues, like as of fire.

Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

But I have a baptism to be baptized with,.... Not water baptism, for he had been baptized with that already; nor the baptism of the Spirit, which he had also received without measure; though the Ethiopic version reads it actively, "with which I shall baptize", referring doubtless to that; but the baptism of his sufferings is meant, which are compared to a baptism, because of the largeness and abundance of them; he was as it were immersed, or plunged into them; and which almost all interpreters observe on the text, and by which they confess the true import and primary signification of the word used; as in baptism, performed by immersion, the person is plunged into water, is covered with it, and continues awhile under it, and then is raised out of it, and which being once done, is done no more; so the sufferings of Christ were so many and large, that he was as it were covered with them, and he continued under them for a time, and under the power of death and the grave, when being raised from thence, he dies no more, death hath no more dominion over him. This baptism he "had", there was a necessity of his being baptized with it, on his Father's account; it was his will, his decree, and the command he enjoined him as Mediator; it was the portion he allotted him, and the cup he gave unto him: and on his own part, he obliged himself unto it, in the counsel and covenant of peace; for this purpose he came into this world, and had substituted himself in the room and stead of his people; and it was necessary on their part, for their sins could not be atoned for without sufferings, nor without the sufferings of Christ; moreover, the promises and prophecies of the Old Testament concerning them, made them necessary:

and how am I straitened until it be accomplished: these words express both the trouble and distress Christ was in, at the apprehension of his sufferings as man; which were like to the distress of persons, closely besieged by an enemy; or rather of a woman, whose time of travail draws nigh, when she dreads it, and yet longs to have it over: and likewise they signify, his restless desire to have them accomplished; not that he desired that Judas should betray him, or the Jews crucify him, as these were sins of theirs; nor merely his sufferings as such; but that thereby the justice of God might be satisfied, the law might be fulfilled, and the salvation of his people be obtained: and this eager desire of his, he had shown in various instances, and did show afterwards; as in his ready compliance with his Father's proposal in eternity; in his frequent appearances in human form before his incarnation; in sending one message after another, to give notice of his coming; in his willingness to be about his Father's business, as soon as possible; in rebuking Peter, when he would have dissuaded him from all thoughts of suffering: in going to Jerusalem on his own accord, in order to suffer there; in his earnest wish to eat the last passover with his disciples; in the joy that possessed him, when Judas was gone out, in order to betray him; in stopping in the midst of his sermon, lest he should overrun, or outslip the time of meeting him in the garden, Joh_14:30 in his going thither, and willingly surrendering himself up into the hands of his enemies; and in cheerfully laying down his life: all which arose from the entire love he had for the persons he died for; and because it was his Father's will, and his glory was concerned herein, and his own glory also was advanced thereby; moreover, his death was the life of others, and the work required haste.

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth?.... To set up a temporal kingdom, in great pomp, and outward peace and tranquility? Christ came to make peace with God for men, and to give the Gospel of peace, and spiritual and eternal peace to men; but not external peace, especially that, which is not consistent with the preservation of truth:

I tell you, nay; whatever suppositions you have made, or whatever notions you have entertained, I solemnly affirm, and you may depend upon it, I am not come into the world on any such account, as to establish outward peace among men;

but rather division; so he calls the Gospel, which in Matthew is styled a "sword"; and the Ethiopic version seems to have read both here, since it renders it, "but a sword that I may divide": the Gospel is the sword of the Spirit, which divides asunder soul and Spirit, and separates a man from his former principles and practices; and sets men apart from one another, even the nearest relations, at the greatest distance; and is, through the sin of man, the occasion of great contention, discord, and division.

Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

For from henceforth there shall be five in one house,.... Which are the five following, mentioned in the next verse; the father and the son, the mother and the daughter, and her daughter-in-law, or son's wife; for the mother and mother-in-law are one and the same person, only standing in different relations; as a mother to her own daughter, and a mother-in-law to her son's wife, or to her husband's daughter by his first wife; though the former best answers to the word used: now from the time of Christ's saying these words, or quickly after this, immediately upon his baptism of sufferings, or soon after his death, when the Gospel should be preached more publicly and extensively, this should be the effect of it; that supposing a family consisting of the above number, they should be

divided from one another, in the following manner:

three against two, and two against three; three that did not believe in Christ, against two that did believe in him; or two that did not believe, against three that did; or three that did, against two that did not; or two that did, against three that did not. The Ethiopic version reads, "two shall be separated from three, and one shall be separated from two".

Luke 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

The father shall be divided against the.... Shall oppose him, differ with him, and be alienated from him, and so the other relations as follow

The case is this, a father believing in Christ, embracing his Gospel, and submitting to his institutions, is contradicted, opposed, and persecuted by his own son, and a mother by her own daughter; in both which relations, natural affection knit them together; and the mother-in-law by her daughter-in-law, who before lived together in the most peaceable, kind, and tender manner: which must be imputed, not to Christ, and the doctrines of Christ, and the natural tendency of them, embraced by the father, the mother, and mother-in-law; but to the natural enmity of the son, the daughter, and the daughter-in-law, to everything divine, spiritual, and evangelical, or "vice versa".

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Commentary on Luke 12:49-53 by John Gill

Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

I am come to send fire on the earth,.... Meaning either the Gospel, which is as fire, that gives both light and heat, warms the hearts of God's people, and causes them to burn within them; though very distressing and torturing to wicked men; so the word of God is compared to fire, in Jer_20:9. Or else zeal for it, and which would be opposed with sharp contentions by others; or rather persecution for the sake of the Gospel, called sometimes the fiery trial; which tries men, as gold is tried in the fire, what they are, and what their principles and profession be; unless the Holy Ghost, and baptizing with him, and with fire, should be meant; since Christ in the next verse, speaks of the baptism of his sufferings, which that was to follow:

and what will I? what shall I say concerning this fire? what shall I wish and pray for? what would be pleasing and agreeable to me? even this,

if it be already kindled; or "that it were already kindled", or "O that it were already kindled"; meaning either that the Gospel was warmly preached by his disciples, and zealously defended by them, as it was after his death and resurrection; or that hot persecution was raised against it which was now beginning, since the advantage of it would be far greater than the evil in it: or that the Holy Ghost was come down in cloven tongues, like as of fire.

Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

But I have a baptism to be baptized with,.... Not water baptism, for he had been baptized with that already; nor the baptism of the Spirit, which he had also received without measure; though the Ethiopic version reads it actively, "with which I shall baptize", referring doubtless to that; but the baptism of his sufferings is meant, which are compared to a baptism, because of the largeness and abundance of them; he was as it were immersed, or plunged into them; and which almost all interpreters observe on the text, and by which they confess the true import and primary signification of the word used; as in baptism, performed by immersion, the person is plunged into water, is covered with it, and continues awhile under it, and then is raised out of it, and which being once done, is done no more; so the sufferings of Christ were so many and large, that he was as it were covered with them, and he continued under them for a time, and under the power of death and the grave, when being raised from thence, he dies no more, death hath no more dominion over him. This baptism he "had", there was a necessity of his being baptized with it, on his Father's account; it was his will, his decree, and the command he enjoined him as Mediator; it was the portion he allotted him, and the cup he gave unto him: and on his own part, he obliged himself unto it, in the counsel and covenant of peace; for this purpose he came into this world, and had substituted himself in the room and stead of his people; and it was necessary on their part, for their sins could not be atoned for without sufferings, nor without the sufferings of Christ; moreover, the promises and prophecies of the Old Testament concerning them, made them necessary:

and how am I straitened until it be accomplished: these words express both the trouble and distress Christ was in, at the apprehension of his sufferings as man; which were like to the distress of persons, closely besieged by an enemy; or rather of a woman, whose time of travail draws nigh, when she dreads it, and yet longs to have it over: and likewise they signify, his restless desire to have them accomplished; not that he desired that Judas should betray him, or the Jews crucify him, as these were sins of theirs; nor merely his sufferings as such; but that thereby the justice of God might be satisfied, the law might be fulfilled, and the salvation of his people be obtained: and this eager desire of his, he had shown in various instances, and did show afterwards; as in his ready compliance with his Father's proposal in eternity; in his frequent appearances in human form before his incarnation; in sending one message after another, to give notice of his coming; in his willingness to be about his Father's business, as soon as possible; in rebuking Peter, when he would have dissuaded him from all thoughts of suffering: in going to Jerusalem on his own accord, in order to suffer there; in his earnest wish to eat the last passover with his disciples; in the joy that possessed him, when Judas was gone out, in order to betray him; in stopping in the midst of his sermon, lest he should overrun, or outslip the time of meeting him in the garden, Joh_14:30 in his going thither, and willingly surrendering himself up into the hands of his enemies; and in cheerfully laying down his life: all which arose from the entire love he had for the persons he died for; and because it was his Father's will, and his glory was concerned herein, and his own glory also was advanced thereby; moreover, his death was the life of others, and the work required haste.

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth?.... To set up a temporal kingdom, in great pomp, and outward peace and tranquility? Christ came to make peace with God for men, and to give the Gospel of peace, and spiritual and eternal peace to men; but not external peace, especially that, which is not consistent with the preservation of truth:

I tell you, nay; whatever suppositions you have made, or whatever notions you have entertained, I solemnly affirm, and you may depend upon it, I am not come into the world on any such account, as to establish outward peace among men;

but rather division; so he calls the Gospel, which in Matthew is styled a "sword"; and the Ethiopic version seems to have read both here, since it renders it, "but a sword that I may divide": the Gospel is the sword of the Spirit, which divides asunder soul and Spirit, and separates a man from his former principles and practices; and sets men apart from one another, even the nearest relations, at the greatest distance; and is, through the sin of man, the occasion of great contention, discord, and division.

Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

For from henceforth there shall be five in one house,.... Which are the five following, mentioned in the next verse; the father and the son, the mother and the daughter, and her daughter-in-law, or son's wife; for the mother and mother-in-law are one and the same person, only standing in different relations; as a mother to her own daughter, and a mother-in-law to her son's wife, or to her husband's daughter by his first wife; though the former best answers to the word used: now from the time of Christ's saying these words, or quickly after this, immediately upon his baptism of sufferings, or soon after his death, when the Gospel should be preached more publicly and extensively, this should be the effect of it; that supposing a family consisting of the above number, they should be

divided from one another, in the following manner:

three against two, and two against three; three that did not believe in Christ, against two that did believe in him; or two that did not believe, against three that did; or three that did, against two that did not; or two that did, against three that did not. The Ethiopic version reads, "two shall be separated from three, and one shall be separated from two".

Luke 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

The father shall be divided against the.... Shall oppose him, differ with him, and be alienated from him, and so the other relations as follow

The case is this, a father believing in Christ, embracing his Gospel, and submitting to his institutions, is contradicted, opposed, and persecuted by his own son, and a mother by her own daughter; in both which relations, natural affection knit them together; and the mother-in-law by her daughter-in-law, who before lived together in the most peaceable, kind, and tender manner: which must be imputed, not to Christ, and the doctrines of Christ, and the natural tendency of them, embraced by the father, the mother, and mother-in-law; but to the natural enmity of the son, the daughter, and the daughter-in-law, to everything divine, spiritual, and evangelical, or "vice versa".

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Re: So much for Tolerance.(For those who claim islam is into

So much for Tolerance. (For those who claim islam is intolerant)

If judged from the perspective of contemporary Western Standards, it is a fact that Islam is an intolerant religion.

The same could be said of much historical behaviour of Christianity. Perhaps you can still find examples of Christians behaving in an intolerant way. If so, it is rightly condemned, just as Islam is rightly condemned for its intolerance.