gingercat said:
Imagican said:
Look, the law was for those that KNEW NO BETTER. Now that Christ has come and can dwell within us, the law is NO LONGER able to separate us from God. If it is, then we are ALL doomed.
Imagican,
Are you interpreting that we are no longer have to obey the law?
thanks.
I was wondering if you could help me deal with this post by Theolog:
BAD NEWS FOR THE LEGALISTS
The law is abolished and heaven and earth dissapeared.
Jesus said that when the heavens and earth disappear the Law would disappear.
Paul taught that the “LAW†was for all intent and practical purposes finished. Paul taught that the law was weak and miserable, obsolete, finished and soon to be abolished.
The Question is in what sense did the heavens and earth disappear?
DID JESUS FULFILL THE LAW?
Just what does the Bible say?
MATTHEW 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished
RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH NOT LAW ROMANS 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
DIED TO THE LAW, RELEASED FROM THE LAW ROMANS 7:4-6 So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW ROMANS 10:3,4 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
THE LAW THAT WAS WRITTEN IN STONE FADED AWAY 2 CORINTHIANS 3:7-11 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
THE LAW CALLED WEAK AND MISERABLE PRINCIPLES GALATIANS 4:8-10 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God--or rather are known by God--how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
LAW ABOLISHED IN CHRIST’S FLESH EPHESIANS 2:14-16[/b] For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT COMES BY FAITH NOT LAW PHILIPPIANS 3:9-10 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith. 10I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
LAW CANCELED COLOSSIANS 2:14-16 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
LAW CHANGED HEBREWS 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
LAW WEAK AND USELESS HEBREWS 7;18,19 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
OLD COVENANT OUT, NEW COVENANT IN HEBREWS 8:7-8 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said : "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
LAW OF MOSES OBSOLETE HEBREWS 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
LAW ONLY A SHADOW HEBREWS 10:1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
LAW SET ASIDE HEBREWS 10:9 Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.
NOT UNDER LAW BUT GRACE Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS 1 TIMOTHY 1:6 Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. :7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
