Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Some megachurches closing on Christmas

Lewis

Member
Pastors anticipate low attendance because day falls on Sunday

Tuesday, December 6, 2005; Posted: 6:29 p.m. EST (23:29 GMT)

(AP) -- This Christmas, no prayers will be said in several megachurches around the country.

Even though the holiday falls this year on a Sunday, when churches normally host thousands for worship, pastors are canceling services, anticipating low attendance on what they call a family day.

Critics within the evangelical community, more accustomed to doing battle with department stores and public schools over keeping religion in Christmas, are stunned by the shutdown.

It is almost unheard of for a Christian church to cancel services on a Sunday, and opponents of the closures are accusing these congregations of bowing to secular culture.

"This is a consumer mentality at work: 'Let's not impose the church on people. Let's not make church in any way inconvenient,' " said David Wells, professor of history and systematic theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a leading evangelical school in Hamilton, Massachusetts.

"I think what this does is feed into the individualism that is found throughout American culture, where everyone does their own thing."
Resource considerations

The churches closing on Christmas plan multiple services in the days leading up to the holiday, including on Christmas Eve.

Most normally do not hold Christmas Day services, preferring instead to mark the holiday in the days and night before.

But Sunday worship has been a Christian practice since ancient times.

Cally Parkinson, a spokeswoman for Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, said church leaders decided that organizing services on a Christmas Sunday would not be the most effective use of staff and volunteer resources.

The last time Christmas fell on a Sunday was 1994, and only a small number of people showed up to pray, she said.

"If our target and our mission is to reach the unchurched, basically the people who don't go to church, how likely is it that they'll be going to church on Christmas morning?" she said.

Among the other megachurches closing on Christmas Day are Southland Christian Church in Nicholasville, Kentucky, near Lexington, and Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas, outside Dallas.

North Point Community Church in Alpharetta, Georgia, outside Atlanta, said on its Web site that no services will be held on Christmas Day or New Year's Day, which also falls on a Sunday. A spokesman for North Point did not respond to requests for comment.
Mainline churches staying open

The closures stand in stark contrast to Roman Catholic parishes, which will see some of their largest crowds of the year on Christmas, and mainline Protestant congregations such as the Episcopal, Methodist and Lutheran churches, where Sunday services are rarely if ever canceled.

Cindy Willison, a spokeswoman for the evangelical Southland Christian Church, said at least 500 volunteers are needed, along with staff, to run Sunday services for the estimated 8,000 people who usually attend.

She said many of the volunteers appreciate the chance to spend Christmas with their families instead of working, although she said a few church members complained.

"If we weren't having services at all, I would probably tend to feel that we were too accommodating to the secular viewpoint, but we're having multiple services on Saturday and an additional service Friday night," Willison said.

"We believe that you worship every day of the week, not just on a weekend, and you don't have to be in a church building to worship."

Troy Page, a spokesman for Fellowship Church, said the congregation was hardly shirking its religious obligations.

Fellowship will hold 21 services in four locations in the days leading up to the holiday. Last year, more than 30,000 worshippers participated.

"Doing them early allows you to reach people who may be leaving town Friday," Page said.

These megachurches are not alone in adjusting Sunday worship to accommodate families on Christmas. But most other congregations are scaling back services instead of closing their doors.

First Baptist Church in Daytona Beach, Florida, led by the Rev. Bobby Welch, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, will hold one service instead of the usual two.

New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, led by the Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, will hold one Sunday service instead of the typical three.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
But I think, most churches will be open, this is not the first time Christmas has come on a Sunday, whats the big deal. But I do think that the churches should open. This is modern day stuff, where a church will be closed on a Sunday because it is Christmas. You could not even mention such, years ago.
 
My church will be open on Christmas, in fact, the service is going to be an hour earlier than normal! We're just going to have the sermon and singing, though, no Sunday school. Actually, I'm glad we're open. I mean, the whole reason for Christmas is Jesus's birth, so why not celebrate it at His house? That's my thoughts, anyway.
 
I read this too..

I sorta giggled.. thought it was interesting, because, most small, hometown churches *the one that usually keep to themselves, and teach you to follow the path of jesus* will keep their services

the ones that tend to lobby politicians, and make millions of dollars through contributions, are the ones closing. They are the profit driven ones, not driven by god, or a respect for religion, but driven by greed.


And its sad that soo many people follow them.
 
Willowcreek Community Church will have eight Christmas Services. They are packed for each service and their seating is around 5000.

Willow Creek Community Church South Barrington
We will have 8 identical services at 67 E. Algonquin Road (Route 62), just east of Barrington Road in South Barrington (Driving directions) & Barrington campus information.

Tuesday, December 20, at 7:30 p.m.
Wednesday, December 21, at 7:30 p.m.
Thursday, December 22, at 7:30 p.m.
Friday, December 23, at 5 and 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, December 24, at 12:30; 3 and 5:30 p.m.


http://www.willowcreek.org/Christmas/default.asp
 
Cally Parkinson, a spokeswoman for Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, said church leaders decided that organizing services on a Christmas Sunday would not be the most effective use of staff and volunteer resources.

The last time Christmas fell on a Sunday was 1994, and only a small number of people showed up to pray, she said.

"If our target and our mission is to reach the unchurched, basically the people who don't go to church, how likely is it that they'll be going to church on Christmas morning?" she said.
"My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations." Yeah, why bother to open up for a few people praying.

I heard this on television yesterday- Willow Creek's logic was that they wanted people to emphasize family on Sunday. Not that worshipping Christ together is a family activity... :roll:
 
peace4all said:
I read this too..

I sorta giggled.. thought it was interesting, because, most small, hometown churches *the one that usually keep to themselves, and teach you to follow the path of jesus* will keep their services

the ones that tend to lobby politicians, and make millions of dollars through contributions, are the ones closing. They are the profit driven ones, not driven by god, or a respect for religion, but driven by greed.


And its sad that soo many people follow them.
I agree with what you're saying, in principle- not necessarily about the motivation of the mega churches- but definitely what you said about the small hometown churches, the little parishes where faith, family, and church are all deeply entwined.
 
peace4all said:
I read this too..

I sorta giggled.. thought it was interesting, because, most small, hometown churches *the one that usually keep to themselves, and teach you to follow the path of jesus* will keep their services

the ones that tend to lobby politicians, and make millions of dollars through contributions, are the ones closing. They are the profit driven ones, not driven by god, or a respect for religion, but driven by greed.


And its sad that soo many people follow them.

Which type of church do you go to peace4all? Which do you follow?

:-?
 
gary, I actually follow neither.

However, I have participated in both visiting large churhces (where hte pastors don't know a majority of peoples names) and then small churches, where everyone knows everyone, and is more of a familly.

I prefer the small ones.

the large ones, I just always felt like I was being scolded, or just talked at.

With the smaller ones, it always seemed like people were trying to make a connection and actually cared about each individual.

Just experiences. I equate a small church, to a small town, where you all know your neighbors, and a large church , to a city, where, as the doors would say, People are strange.
 
peace4all, your statements are very sweeping. I am trying to establish how you arrived at your conclusions.

How big is your sample? How many churches have you visited? During the last two years, how many churches have you visited? Of those you have visited, how many times have you visited each one?

Were both the small church you visited and the large church you visited in the same town?

Why did you visit these churches?

You say you prefer the small churches. How many have you visited? Why don't you stay at one small church if that is what you prefer?

:)
 
Orthodox Christian said:
peace4all said:
I read this too..

I sorta giggled.. thought it was interesting, because, most small, hometown churches *the one that usually keep to themselves, and teach you to follow the path of jesus* will keep their services

the ones that tend to lobby politicians, and make millions of dollars through contributions, are the ones closing. They are the profit driven ones, not driven by god, or a respect for religion, but driven by greed.


And its sad that soo many people follow them.
I agree with what you're saying, in principle- not necessarily about the motivation of the mega churches but definitely what you said about the small hometown churches, the little parishes where faith, family, and church are all deeply entwined.

It's interesting that you say that Orthodox: Read this quote from the May issue of Business Week

If Hybels was looking for the "unchurched," you might call Willow Creek the "unchurch." There are no hymnals, Bibles, or stained-glass windows where services are held.

Bill Hybels, founder of Willow Creek Community Church. What he calls trying to reach the unchurched.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/co ... _mz001.htm

The rest of the article would almost make you throw up. Mega churches have become Mega business' and I have a hard time reconciling this with the Word of God. Many of these churches teach nothing but health, wealth and your little faith is why you have no prosperity. GARBAGE! Don't get me wrong many smaller churches are not better, trying to aspire to Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar etc....status.

This Christmas debate is the least of our worries. The doctrine of so many churches has become so adulterated that if you don't study to shew thyself approved, you'll be caught up in all this nonsense as well.

2 Timothy 4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.




Ever stop to think why judgement begins at the house of God.

1 Peter 4

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?


Peace V
 
Gary said:
peace4all, your statements are very sweeping. I am trying to establish how you arrived at your conclusions.

How big is your sample? How many churches have you visited? During the last two years, how many churches have you visited? Of those you have visited, how many times have you visited each one?

Were both the small church you visited and the large church you visited in the same town?

Why did you visit these churches?

You say you prefer the small churches. How many have you visited? Why don't you stay at one small church if that is what you prefer?

:)

srry for the delayed reply, i never saw yours.

This last year, I have visited 3 diffrent churches, and a student youth groups.

1 church, a local catholic church, was very nice and open, and the minister came right up to me after the sermon, and greeted me, and said he hadn't recognized my face before, and asked me a bunch of questions. I explained to him I was an atheist, and was just visiting religous establishments, and seeing waht they were like around town. He said it is very wise for someone to partake in multiple experiences before settling on a path to god, if that is what your final intentions are, and he welcomed me back whenever i wanted.

I went back there for the 2 student youth groups, and talked/debated alot, did some fun games, everyone was really nice.. the youth groups had about 12 kids each time, and the sermon had, maybe 30 people..

I then attended 2 diffrent larger churches in the city of rochester. One was HUGE but only had about 80 people show up.. After the end, everyone just filed out. No one standing at the door to talk to people or anything. The other I went with my aunt 2 times. She is really into volunteering there. THe first time I helped set up part of the christmas manger set for the play after the sermon, and the pastor guy talked to me.. I explained my religious beliefs, and that, although I may not agree in christianty, I do love to volunteer and help anyone I can. So he sorta thanked me, and went along his way.

The second time I attended, it seemed that every time a passage was being read that had anything to do with not following the path of jesus, he would sort of, glance in my direction. At the end, he talked briefly with my aunt and a few others, and then proceeded back to, I think his office.

It has just been my experience that the smaller churches seem nicer and more community based. More accepting.
 
Back
Top