Speaking things into existence

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How to discern between speaking things by faith and practicing witchcraft?

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brother Paul said:
No problem! Human beings CANNOT speak things into existence.
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Answered Prayer = is "speaking things into existence".
"Calling those things that be not" = is speaking things into existence.
"say unto this mountain, be thou removed" = is speaking things into existence.
Where the confusion lies is within a misconception that its the speaker that is causing the changes in circumstance.
The speaker, is only using what God allows = so that God intercedes.
When Jesus says that "you shall have what you believe", and when you are told that "if any 2 agree (words) on earth as touching anything"...
These verses are literal.
"Life and death are in the POWER of the Tongue"....and the >power< of the tongue is : Words + Faith.

So, as i said, where the confusion arises is not regarding the literal fact that Words + Faith creates a change in a circumstance..
= but rather who is getting CREDIT = WHO is causing the CHANGE.
See, its GOD who intervenes BASED ON our Words putting Him into action = based on Him responding to our FAITH.
God is touched by our Tears, but HE is MOVED into Action by our FAITH.
 
Kidron said:
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Answered Prayer = is "speaking things into existence".
"Calling those things that be not" = is speaking things into existence.
"say unto this mountain, be thou removed" = is speaking things into existence.
Where the confusion lies is within a misconception that its the speaker that is causing the changes in circumstance.
The speaker, is only using what God allows = so that God intercedes.
When Jesus says that "you shall have what you believe", and when you are told that "if any 2 agree (words) on earth as touching anything"...
These verses are literal.
"Life and death are in the POWER of the Tongue"....and the >power< of the tongue is : Words + Faith.

So, as i said, where the confusion arises is not regarding the literal fact that Words + Faith creates a change in a circumstance..
= but rather who is getting CREDIT = WHO is causing the CHANGE.
See, its GOD who intervenes BASED ON our Words putting Him into action = based on Him responding to our FAITH.
God is touched by our Tears, but HE is MOVED into Action by our FAITH.
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YES
You pray and then if God wills GOD brings them to pass NOT humans
God is the one who calls things that be not, not humans
And as I said the Mountain teaching is metaphor...

But I agree when one has the Spirit their words (when they are God's words) have power unlike the normal person speaking, but some people think their much speaking is faith as if faith is a power...(I will have a lear jet, I will have a lear jet, thanks for my jet Father even though I am still walking every where)... if God wanted us all rich the Apostles would have been owners of the world...and so on

Having said that, God's words do not return to Him void but accomplish that for which they were sent forth (Isaiah 55:10-11) so when we pray His words back to Him we are praying His will (which will be done).
 
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There's too many places in scripture that talks about being careful what comes out of our mouth to be able to give a resounding no to the OP question. As far as our own selves I think we can not speak things into existence in a creative way, but I do think that we become what we speak (and behold with our eyes.) We frame up tomorrow with the words we speak today.

Words have energy and power, with the ability to destroy someone, comfort them, heal them, belittle them or humiliate them. Scripture says the power of life and death is in the tongue. We should discipline ourselves to speak in a way which conveys respect, gentleness and humility.
 
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I believe satan can grasp on to things we say about ourselves.
Somewhere the apostle Paul says, 'what a man thinks about himself, so is he.' Which I know doesnt have anything to do with words, but is related to what is said above.
 
Winnie said:
I believe satan can grasp on to things we say about ourselves.
Somewhere the apostle Paul says, 'what a man thinks about himself, so is he.' Which I know doesnt have anything to do with words, but is related to what is said above.
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Sister, I'm not sure if Paul said that for sure, but Solomon said the same thing in:

Proverbs 23:7
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.../

That's it isn't it? :nod
 
Palex said:
To fix my financial situation, I have been encouraged to visualize cash in hand and look back step by step at how it is I got to the final step - getting paid. I am supposed to imagine a scenario where I have used my personal gifts and strengths to get to this point.

Also, speaking daily mantra's, like I am rich, and whatever else I want in my life.

When I speak a mantra, I try to keep it aligned with what I believe the Lord would want for me. But maybe I should be praying instead.
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So, how much did they take you for in giving you this 'method' of fixing your problem?
 
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Palex said:
Are there any scripture verses that explain speaking things into existence? How do you know if this is of the Lord or witchcraft?

Is it witchcraft to daydream or fantasize?

I am looking for scripture references.

To fix my financial situation, I have been encouraged to visualize cash in hand and look back step by step at how it is I got to the final step - getting paid. I am supposed to imagine a scenario where I have used my personal gifts and strengths to get to this point.

Also, speaking daily mantra's, like I am rich, and whatever else I want in my life.

When I speak a mantra, I try to keep it aligned with what I believe the Lord would want for me. But maybe I should be praying instead. Have I really been duped into practicing witchcraft?

Scripture references, please.
Like, Joshua told the sun to stand still and apparently, if there is a mountain, I can tell it to move in Jesus' name. Or as in Matthew 21:22
What is the difference between this and some Harry Potter type witchcraft? How do I know I am speaking in faith and not of my own will?
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Here's how to fix your cash problem:
https://www.daveramsey.com

I know many people who followed this mans advice and are debt free today. My mom is one of them. My dad died and had accumulated some serious credit card debt. Mom was swimming in debt. She took to getting out of debt using the prinicples of Dave Ramsey. Debt gone.

You get money by earning it and then not spending it on stupid stuff. I'm 65, will retire in 15 days. I have been debt free for years. I don't carry any credit card debt although I use my cards regularly. I almost never pay any interest. I don't buy junk and I don't spend to spend. I save and have done so most of my income earning life. Never once did I "visualize" cash in my hand. That's not how it works.

Whomever gave you the advice above is to be avoided IMO. Run, don't walk, away. Nothing is easy. It takes years to get financially secure. Don't spend outside your income. Rip up ALL credit cards if you carry any debt. They are designed to keep you paying high interest. I use them ONLY for convenience. I pay off my cards monthly. I set them up to pay off automatically. Boom, no late fees and no interest. If you can't do this you have no business having credit cards.

Get a second job. I worked three jobs when I was younger. I don't have to work any longer. But it took a lifetime of working to get here. No magic pill, no "methods of quick fix." Hard work, planning, and being smart.

BTW, even after "retirement" I plan on working to help out with paying insurance premiums. Because nothing in life is free.
 
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A drowning person will grasp at anything to stay afloat.....That is how so called 'credit counseling services' make a living.....
 
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Papa Zoom said:
Here's how to fix your cash problem:
https://www.daveramsey.com

I know many people who followed this mans advice and are debt free today. My mom is one of them. My dad died and had accumulated some serious credit card debt. Mom was swimming in debt. She took to getting out of debt using the prinicples of Dave Ramsey. Debt gone.

You get money by earning it and then not spending it on stupid stuff. I'm 65, will retire in 15 days. I have been debt free for years. I don't carry any credit card debt although I use my cards regularly. I almost never pay any interest. I don't buy junk and I don't spend to spend. I save and have done so most of my income earning life. Never once did I "visualize" cash in my hand. That's not how it works.

Whomever gave you the advice above is to be avoided IMO. Run, don't walk, away. Nothing is easy. It takes years to get financially secure. Don't spend outside your income. Rip up ALL credit cards if you carry any debt. They are designed to keep you paying high interest. I use them ONLY for convenience. I pay off my cards monthly. I set them up to pay off automatically. Boom, no late fees and no interest. If you can't do this you have no business having credit cards.

Get a second job. I worked three jobs when I was younger. I don't have to work any longer. But it took a lifetime of working to get here. No magic pill, no "methods of quick fix." Hard work, planning, and being smart.

BTW, even after "retirement" I plan on working to help out with paying insurance premiums. Because nothing in life is free.
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Good advice whether you are drowning in debt or not......
 
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civilwarbuff said:
A drowning person will grasp at anything to stay afloat.....That is how so called 'credit counseling services' make a living.....
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Some are good though. But it's common sense. You make a buck and spend two, you're already in trouble. You make a buck, spend 80% and save the rest. Extra money comes in, bank it. Lots of rainy days ahead. People want stuff now. Kids want the big car and newly marrieds want the house like mom and dad. My first home was 8 thousand dollars. It had no bedrooms. No bath. But it was affordable. We had a shower in the basement. It was probably built right after Noah's flood. I paid 150 a month.
 
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iLOVE said:
Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? Lamentations 3:37 NIV
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The Holy Spirit will not glorify no man. He only glorifies Christ. Anything and everything that is not Faith in Christ and the Cross exclusively is LAW; which is sin. God demands that everything must be done by the Spirit and not of the flesh.
 
iLOVE said:
Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? Lamentations 3:37 NIV
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The Righteous can ask for out of season fruit.

Luke 11:5-10
5 And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;

6 For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?

7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.

8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.

9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
 
Nathan said:
There are zero passages that say we can speak things into existence.

Also, faith is not something we think/feel then if we think/feel enough something happens. Faith is a direct belief of what God says.

So, when Jesus was talking about a mountain going into the sea, He was saying that if God told us and we believed it would happen.

You see this throughout the bible. Just lookup the word faith and read all around the passages. It's needful to take things in context.

So simply put, you know your speaking faith if you know God wants it. Faith will never go against what God wants.
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I think you will find that Jesus was not talking about playing parlor games of magic in that verse. Rather he was speaking of them having the fath to see the demise of the power of Jerusalem (which had apostatized itself). Jerusalem and the Temple site were referred to as The Mountain of God, in one form or another, all through the Bible.
 
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Jim Parker said:
People have been known to use Job 22:28; "You will also declare a thing, And it will be established for you;So light will shine on your ways."

But, IMO, any attempt to get God to do your bidding is essentially witchcraft.

iakov the fool
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Or simply seriously misguided. I'd rather have God's will than mine. I thank God daily that He had His way over mine in some of the major life changes I went through. Had God's hand not been on the wheel, I'd have driven off the cliff.

That said, what God said to Job is descriptive for his life in his time. But it's not a prescription for the rest of us. Would you agree with this?
 
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what God said to Job is descriptive for his life in his time. But it's not a prescription for the rest of us. Would you agree with this?
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Those weren't God's words. One of Job's friends, Eli'phaz the Te'manite, said it.
And here's what God said about Job's 3 friends' advice: (Job 42:7-8)
After the LORD had spoken these words to Job, the LORD said to Eli'phaz the Te'manite: "My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.

Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has."

(7 bulls and 7 rams is a pretty hefty fine!) So, those words, which God called "folly", misrepresented God in Job's day just as they do in our day.

But that doesn't stop people from misusing them for fun and profit! :cool

iakov the fool
 
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