Spell Casting Tailor-made Prayers to counter the evil?

[Apollogist]

jonahmano
You wrote:

"We very well known that people of pagan religions do spell prayers and claim to get their work done. One my friend gave me a prayer booklet from a pastor who does deliverance ministry."

First, I want to tell you how refreshing it is to see humble, sincere, tenderhearted, and intellectually honest posters here, such as yourself.
"

And those prayers are very well prepared with Word of God (Just like Jesus dealt with pointing the Word of God when Satan tempted Him)attached at different places to be spoken out loud for different problems we face in our day to day activities. Like prayers for confessions, Prayers for Blessing and Favor, Breaking Curses and Casting Out Generational Spirits, Dis-annulling Ungodly Covenants, likewise
My question is if it is ok to say these prayers loud and counter the evil or is it going to be a deception or spiritual adultery? Because I feel it's exactly like casting spells against the devil"

You know the answer to this question heavy on your heart already.
It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.- Eugene Ionesco
Of course it is unethical to practice what you yourself denounced as sorcery when practiced by other religious groups. In the double standard aspect alone, we find hypocrisy, in itself enough to convict one of wrong doing or thought.
However, much more shame can be stacked on-top this truth.
NOT ONCE did the Son of Man EVER practice these tactics, which are forms of spiritual abuse and even assault.
You will not find Him uttering what you rightly denounced as spells! Who among has the audacity to proclaim that the Son of Man would condone the practice of powerful incantations and sorcery against ANYTHING? even our enemy? The enemy himself did not do these horrific things, some of which are spells cast on to others without there consent or knowledge! If this isn't evil abusive power than I don't know what is? what depths must one sink before they can feel righteous while practicing basically black majic while looking down their noses at those we are to love? Planks and specs..
And what is a consequence of using the enemy's tools ourselves? We become like him. Even the enemy does not, without consent, parade about casting spells and locking, binding, releasing, or otherwise playing GOD over mankind, knowing it violates laws of the Father and certainly punishable.

Let us consider too the fact that the enemy holds far superior celestial power and authority in this world, (his kingdom) than we do, and he was created more like the Father in both beauty and power than us. We should contemplate for a moment that the Son loved and forgave and had mercy for the blind, and the lost. He did NOT attempt to give life and truth by using the most insidious practice one could release upon it's victims, upon their free will, and above all our Father! Let us remember, by using slightly altered versions of sorcery and curses used by voodoo witches, we bring the spiritual powers of evil into our own souls when we assault others AGAINST their will.

And in addition, these practices:
the Like prayers for confessions, Prayers for Blessing and Favor, Breaking Curses and Casting Out Generational Spirits, Dis-annulling Ungodly Covenants

These practices He NEVER instructed us to do and I ask for scripture to prove He commanded these dangerous things be practiced. Wont find them.

(Edited and removed, ToS 2.1, Obadiah)

Thanks for any replies from all who want to add. Amy

 

[reba]

Let us consider too the fact that the enemy holds far superior celestial power and authority in this world, (his kingdom) than we do, and he was created more like the Father in both beauty and power than us. We should contemplate for a moment that the Son loved and forgave and had mercy for the blind, and the lost. He did NOT attempt to give life and truth by using the most insidious practice one could release upon it's victims, upon their free will, and above all our Father! Let us remember, by using slightly altered versions of sorcery and curses used by voodoo witches, we bring the spiritual powers of evil into our own souls when we assault others AGAINST their will.

These practices He NEVER instructed us to do and I ask for scripture to prove He commanded these dangerous things be practiced. Wont find them.
(Edited and removed, ToS 2.1, Obadiah.)

Thanks for any replies from all who want to add. Amy

We are of Christ He in us and we in Him

In the words of Jesus the Son of Man
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

As for this site...

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We consider Paul's writings to be part of the inspired Word of God. This is a Christian forum and any posting(s) that is intended to purposely distort Paul's writings will not be tolerated.

This same idea goes with the other men who pinned God's Word..

 

[jonahmano]

jonahmano
You wrote:

First, I want to tell you how refreshing it is to see humble, sincere, tenderhearted, and intellectually honest posters here, such as yourself.
"

You know the answer to this question heavy on your heart already.
It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.- Eugene Ionesco
Of course it is unethical to practice what you yourself denounced as sorcery when practiced by other religious groups. In the double standard aspect alone, we find hypocrisy, in itself enough to convict one of wrong doing or thought.
However, much more shame can be stacked on-top this truth.
NOT ONCE did the Son of Man EVER practice these tactics, which are forms of spiritual abuse and even assault.
You will not find Him uttering what you rightly denounced as spells! Who among has the audacity to proclaim that the Son of Man would condone the practice of powerful incantations and sorcery against ANYTHING? even our enemy? The enemy himself did not do these horrific things, some of which are spells cast on to others without there consent or knowledge! If this isn't evil abusive power than I don't know what is? what depths must one sink before they can feel righteous while practicing basically black majic while looking down their noses at those we are to love? Planks and specs..
And what is a consequence of using the enemy's tools ourselves? We become like him. Even the enemy does not, without consent, parade about casting spells and locking, binding, releasing, or otherwise playing GOD over mankind, knowing it violates laws of the Father and certainly punishable.

Let us consider too the fact that the enemy holds far superior celestial power and authority in this world, (his kingdom) than we do, and he was created more like the Father in both beauty and power than us. We should contemplate for a moment that the Son loved and forgave and had mercy for the blind, and the lost. He did NOT attempt to give life and truth by using the most insidious practice one could release upon it's victims, upon their free will, and above all our Father! Let us remember, by using slightly altered versions of sorcery and curses used by voodoo witches, we bring the spiritual powers of evil into our own souls when we assault others AGAINST their will.

These practices He NEVER instructed us to do and I ask for scripture to prove He commanded these dangerous things be practiced. Wont find them.
(Edited and removed, ToS 2.1, Obadiah)

Thanks for any replies from all who want to add. Amy

So you mean that altar calls are also dangerous. Because they are also prayers tailor-made to instructing a new person to receive Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. So you mean that salvation prayer booklet in websites and in the bag of a street preacher are also illegal?

 

[Apollogist]

We are of Christ He in us and we in Him

This is not a Biblical verse and the only verse even similar is in 1Corinthians.
Again, this is not the Son of Man's teachings nor His own words.

In the words of Jesus the Son of Man
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

The Son of Man began speaking at the word All (why no quotation marks are visible is saddening) What then did He state?
" All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." -Son of Man
Here He states that HE was given power over these realms. NOT man. Not even good men.

Please read the TOS you agreed to... Thank you reba

This same idea goes with the other men who pinned God's Word..

(Edited and removed, ToS 2.14, Obadiah)

 

[Apollogist]

So you mean that altar calls are also dangerous. Because they are also prayers tailor-made to instructing a new person to receive Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. So you mean that salvation prayer booklet in websites and in the bag of a street preacher are also illegal?

Illegal? I apologize but I am not really following your train of thought here.
You ask for opinions of others on the morality of spells and sorcery. I wanted to offer mine here among the others. How that has now ran into the legality of preachers pamphlets I'm unsure. Might you rephrase your post or question??

 

[reba]

Aleister Crowley pinned what he claimed was gods words. Is criticism of him too intolerable?
(edited and removed, ToS 2.14, Obadiah)

Very sorry you took what was meant for some understanding of this site as an attack. Now you have place John Mark Paul Luke Moses Isaiah and the others in the same place or category as Aleister Crowley, because of TOS you agreed to...

You were not threatened only made knowledgeable of what you agreed to. ADMIN

 

[WIP]

(why no quotation marks are visible is saddening)

The verse you quoted comes from the King James Version of the Bible. I don't think this version does a very good job with punctuation. Maybe it was normal not to use quotations when it was translated.

 

[Rick W]

We are of Christ He in us and we in Him

This is not a Biblical verse and the only verse even similar is in 1Corinthians.
Again, this is not the Son of Man's teachings nor His own words.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Joh 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Am I to assume then the Father did not grant Christ's requests?

We are of Christ He in us and we in Him

That statement is completely biblical and The Word said it.

 

[Apollogist]

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Joh 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Am I to assume then the Father did not grant Christ's requests?



That statement is completely biblical and The Word said it.

The Word is the enemy.

 

[th1b.taylor]

When I was a babe in Christ I learned the prayer known as The LORD's Prayer. It is the only 'Form Prayer' I ever learned. Today, I speak to our Lord, sometimes with my eyes closed and head bowed and when I could still drive I prayed with my eyes watching the Four Wheeled Kamikazes so as not to kill them with my 60 to 80 thousand pound projectile.

Today, I pray wherever, whenever and after I say LORD that is the end of recognizable form to a Lost Person. Except in emergency prayers I do my best to remember to offer my heart felt praise and to remember God's position in my life. My request never follows any form or structure, i am speaking with my Father and I speak to Him in, just, the same manor He did to me in November of 1969 when He revealed Himself to me. In seven words, God asked me why I was cursing Him. He was straight forward and to the point and I do my best not to use ritual form prayers but, just, go to the point and then, leave the matter for the Father and His Son, Jesus, to deal with.

I pray this helps... may God less.

 

[Rick W]

I've seen enough.
Apollogist's post (just above th1b.taylor's last post, would have been #29) of an all out attack on Jesus Christ and Christianity has been removed.

 

[Chopper]

LOL

LOL! Me too!

Yep! Me too!

 

[jonahmano]

Illegal? I apologize but I am not really following your train of thought here.
You ask for opinions of others on the morality of spells and sorcery. I wanted to offer mine here among the others. How that has now ran into the legality of preachers pamphlets I'm unsure. Might you rephrase your post or question??

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