Spiritual causes of tragedies?

[Kaliani]

There is a level of evil that we can all understand, even occasionally sympathize with.

And then there is another level which baffles even the least spiritual people, to the point where they say, 'I don't know if I believe in God but I definitely believe in the devil now.'

There is a level of evil that is alien, even to the most base of human beings. And so I can't believe it's a mere absence of good. It's relentlessly active and seemingly self-reinforcing. Someone is fanning the flames IMHO.

 

[Deborah13]

All I can say right now, is that I wish people would stop blaming God.

And satan does not have to get permission from God to attack us as Christians. Maybe he/it did in the OT, of that I'm not sure but not in the NT.

And the theme of Job is not a story to teach us about satan getting permission from God and yet that's the main reason that anyone even mentions old, poor, innocent Job. I do not say this to throw stones at anyone on this thread that has mentioned Job. This is a common occurence among most Christians.

God does not control EVERYTHING on a day to day bases. Is God Sovereign? Yes and in His position as the Sovereign Creator of this world, He with His Sovereign authority set up a plan as to how certain things would be governed. Does He take care of the little birds? Yes. How? He made nature in a way that they would have food to eat, water to drink, instincts as to how to build their homes and care for their young.
God didn't creat satan, man did. Not that man or Adam was/is satan. God created a being, this being was in the garden, he deceived Eve, Adam ate from the tree, when this happened this being gained authority over this now fallen world. God did not give it to him, Adam did.
God in His Sovereign will had given dominion to man without any strings attached and man lost it by trickery and disobedience.
Jesus took back this authority at the Cross. He now shares that authority with us, in His name.
satan is alive and well on the planet earth but he has no authority in a Christian's life. Absolutely none. We are the children of the God Almighty and when He says from His Sovereign authority that we are suppose to rule over satan, then that's what we need to do.

I don't care what one calls satan, Lucifer, Beelezbub, or Willy Coyote it really doesn't matter. He smells like dung, the dung of a predator rather than a peaceful cud chewer.

I conclude that right from the beginning we created this mess yourselves not God. Mankind has behaved like drunken fools, bad judgment.

This is just how I see things, not that I am right.

Sorry for the rant....please be long-suffering. Thank you.

 

[iLOVE]

All I can say right now, is that I wish people would stop blaming God.

And satan does not have to get permission from God to attack us as Christians. Maybe he/it did in the OT, of that I'm not sure but not in the NT.

And the theme of Job is not a story to teach us about satan getting permission from God and yet that's the main reason that anyone even mentions old, poor, innocent Job. I do not say this to throw stones at anyone on this thread that has mentioned Job. This is a common occurence among most Christians.

God does not control EVERYTHING on a day to day bases. Is God Sovereign? Yes and in His position as the Sovereign Creator of this world, He with His Sovereign authority set up a plan as to how certain things would be governed. Does He take care of the little birds? Yes. How? He made nature in a way that they would have food to eat, water to drink, instincts as to how to build their homes and care for their young.
God didn't creat satan, man did. Not that man or Adam was/is satan. God created a being, this being was in the garden, he deceived Eve, Adam ate from the tree, when this happened this being gained authority over this now fallen world. God did not give it to him, Adam did.
God in His Sovereign will had given dominion to man without any strings attached and man lost it by trickery and disobedience.
Jesus took back this authority at the Cross. He now shares that authority with us, in His name.
satan is alive and well on the planet earth but he has no authority in a Christian's life. Absolutely none. We are the children of the God Almighty and when He says from His Sovereign authority that we are suppose to rule over satan, then that's what we need to do.

I don't care what one calls satan, Lucifer, Beelezbub, or Willy Coyote it really doesn't matter. He smells like dung, the dung of a predator rather than a peaceful cud chewer.

I conclude that right from the beginning we created this mess yourselves not God. Mankind has behaved like drunken fools, bad judgment.

This is just how I see things, not that I am right.

Sorry for the rant....please be long-suffering. Thank you.

I 100% disagree with you!!!!!

 

[Deborah13]

I 100% disagree with you!!!!!

That's OK, you are 100% entitled to your opinion.

God Bless

 

[P31Woman]

All I can say right now, is that I wish people would stop blaming God.

And satan does not have to get permission from God to attack us as Christians. Maybe he/it did in the OT, of that I'm not sure but not in the NT.

And the theme of Job is not a story to teach us about satan getting permission from God and yet that's the main reason that anyone even mentions old, poor, innocent Job. I do not say this to throw stones at anyone on this thread that has mentioned Job. This is a common occurence among most Christians.

God does not control EVERYTHING on a day to day bases. Is God Sovereign? Yes and in His position as the Sovereign Creator of this world, He with His Sovereign authority set up a plan as to how certain things would be governed. Does He take care of the little birds? Yes. How? He made nature in a way that they would have food to eat, water to drink, instincts as to how to build their homes and care for their young.
God didn't creat satan, man did. Not that man or Adam was/is satan. God created a being, this being was in the garden, he deceived Eve, Adam ate from the tree, when this happened this being gained authority over this now fallen world. God did not give it to him, Adam did.
God in His Sovereign will had given dominion to man without any strings attached and man lost it by trickery and disobedience.
Jesus took back this authority at the Cross. He now shares that authority with us, in His name.
satan is alive and well on the planet earth but he has no authority in a Christian's life. Absolutely none. We are the children of the God Almighty and when He says from His Sovereign authority that we are suppose to rule over satan, then that's what we need to do.

I don't care what one calls satan, Lucifer, Beelezbub, or Willy Coyote it really doesn't matter. He smells like dung, the dung of a predator rather than a peaceful cud chewer.

I conclude that right from the beginning we created this mess yourselves not God. Mankind has behaved like drunken fools, bad judgment.

This is just how I see things, not that I am right.

Sorry for the rant....please be long-suffering. Thank you.

Enjoyed the rant! Great job.

 

[Deborah13]

Enjoyed the rant! Great job.

Someone I know said this, "satan is nothing but a '0' with the rim knocked off."

 

[Kaliani]

Enjoyed the rant! Great job.

Ditto!

The assumption that God and Satan conspired to 'teach them a lesson' is too much for me. It's suicide to my faith in a loving God.

God is not so petty as to punish or 'judge' any and every imperfection. It's not God magnifying and ruthlessly exploiting our weaknesses.

But seeing how people take the story of Job, I am not surprised at how God is held responsible for all the devil does to/through us.

 

[Kaliani]

There's also the exceedingly foul and disgusting scum of the earth by the name of pedophiles.

But of course, they are human beings, like us. The devil too is no respecter of persons. He would infect anyone and everyone with such a sinful predilection, if he just could. But like any predator, he only bothers with the already weak or sick.

Sin, especially if it is grave, is more often than not experienced by the sinner as torment and bondage. The popular belief that these people are universally blithe, sadistic and EVIL by their very nature is insupportable.

Is this not the error of the implacable caste systems? The idea that certain people are inherently and permanently foul? By the sole fact that they exist, they blight the society and now the good, decent folk must go to all the trouble of staying uncontaminated by them.

Of course, there is a practical and urgent need to keep one's children AWAY from them. But stigma and hate are completely useless, as they ensure that these people never seek help. Who can you disclose your problem to? It would be much easier to make a bargain with God, that you will join the priesthood if He will just please remove these awful desires.

 

[wonby1]

Grace to you,
As I read the book of "Job" it appears that all people in this world have been marked by God to only allow Satan and the Principalities to do only what is allowed by the level of our MARK that has been placed on each and every 1 of us. It appears if the MARK of God is removed completely death will come in some way that allows God to get the glory. So I know longer think it is permission Satan must get. Your thoughts?

Everything that happens is allowed by God.

For the Christian, this is problematic considering there is pain and suffering. However, the key is the fact that God is love. For you see, love has a painful side because love demands free will. Without it, you would only be loving or hating yourself back through someone else. The problem then comes, those that love you will cause you pain in some way, whether it be through disappointment or abandomment.

What troubles me are Christians who think that God would not let them go through something like the Tribulation, where Christians are sent off to die because they won't take the mark. After all, the early Christians were thrown to the lions in mass, so I don't understand the mind set, especially since all the disciples, save one, were martyred.

 

[iLOVE]

Everything that happens is allowed by God.

For the Christian, this is problematic considering there is pain and suffering. However, the key is the fact that God is love. For you see, love has a painful side because love demands free will. Without it, you would only be loving or hating yourself back through someone else. The problem then comes, those that love you will cause you pain in some way, whether it be through disappointment or abandomment.

What troubles me are Christians who think that God would not let them go through something like the Tribulation, where Christians are sent off to die because they won't take the mark. After all, the early Christians were thrown to the lions in mass, so I don't understand the mind set, especially since all the disciples, save one, were martyred.

Grace To You,

1. Yes, I agree that all things that happen is allowed for God's glory, and there are somethings to wonderful for the Christian believer understanding.
2. All believers will be Raptured. No believer will go through the Great Tribulation for the 3 1/2 years. The bible is very clear that when you became born again you became the righteousness of Christ by faith. The bible further states because you are a Christian believer you have been seated in heavenly places. So the Christian believer is not fighting for victory, we already have victory. Anybody that does not know the Lord Jesus Christ, no matter how educated they are, they are partially insane because they do not think right. We don't always conduct ourselves as we ought too. We don't always pass with flying colors, but Christian belivers must give thanks and praise God daily and make God first in our lives. Everytime you suffer, everytime you cry in the middle of the night, everytime when you drive down the street with tears in your eyes; remember God is not killing you, He is shaking you. Anything that falls of off you quickly is not your real enemy. Jesus said, "if you suffer with me you'll going to reign with me. If you pay your dues, I will bless you." Jesus said, "the seed of the righteous shall be bless". Glory to God...I come to bless you Father!