Spur Of The Moment Cognition

[Edward]

"stonings"(like the example of Stephen, though there have been many others also; (i.e. and physical pain and suffering) is "nothing" as Paul the emissary of Yeshua plainly said, compared to the inexpressible JOY UNSPEAKABLE ---

but Paul and Silas did not know -just as the 3 men tossed in the fire that killed them that threw them in didn't know they would not be burnt to a crisp likewise - ,
that they would have a 'visitation' .
They, like others in ACTS, were continually FULL OF JOY AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ("HOLY" is an adjective here,btw)
In good times and in bad. In beatings and persecutions(promised to them by Yeshua),
in suffering and hunger and hard times as well as good times. They learned the Truth of God's sufficiency and provision of Joy and Peace and Righteousness, and they lived HOLY LIVES --- not everyone(note the corinthians), but those written of in Scripture who fully followed the Lord Jesus without turning back to the fleshly / carnal way of life.
We as believers in Christ Jesus can expect, as His Word says repeatedly and suredly, physical pain, discomfort (extreme at times), homelessness, persecution, tribulation, mockings, scourgings, and eventually also martyrings (kind of like the 'class ring' for the 144,000 !!! ) .

when a disciple full of Yhwh's Life overflowing (Rivers of Living Water flowing out of their innermost being - God's Promise and seen in their lives then, and today in few)
walked into a room - they brought Jesus with them in themselves, their lives, their testimonies, and Jesus Own Faithfulness.
or perhaps you could say 'Jesus' went before them to prepare the way.(as it is written somewhere else).

They walked continually, when they walked 'right', in Union with ABBA! and in Yeshua - and all that was sin or unhelpful even , had already been dealt with by and in God's Grace.
They walked and lived IN UNION with the other believer's who lived right in Christ Jesus. (look up "union" where it occurs all through Scripture --- it is very encouraging to the living and to those seeking God).

Oh, there were the sometimes , or occasional, or even frequent, ups and downs of life - but nothing that could take away the Righteousness, the Peace, and the Joy that God Gives, unless unwittingly or not, they carried sin or idols in their lives(as many do today) instead of repenting.

That is some faith allright. I am...partway there. I have learned to be content, but at times I do get discouraged at my station in life. I'm working on it. Oh to be able to be stoned and walk away rejoicing (like the Apostles did!), that would be some relationship.

 

[stovebolts]

Edward

Ephesians 5:13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light.

This idea of light in the Bible represents creativity, and all that is good. This theology stems from Genesis 1 for God did not create the darkness for it was and has always been there. Thus the idea that darkness is the absence of light, and all that is good is made known by that which is evil. Evil, just as Darkness are not created entities, rather, they are that which fills the void when light is absent.

Lets take a look at repentance 101. Many say that repentance is "To walk toward God", and while this is correct, it is only a half truth at best. Let me explain. Ephesians 4:28 says that it's not good enough to stop stealing. One has to get a job and then give back to those in need. Likewise, Ephesians 4:25 says we are to stop lying, and start telling the truth.

You see, the sin isn't in the lie, and it isn't in the stealing. The sin is in not doing the good you were created to do which is to be truthful and to give to those in need. These good deeds are represented as light and when there is an absence of light, darkness results.

How then do we know what evil is? When we know and live what light looks like, then evil becomes exposed. It cannot hide from the light. Light is not simply knowing what is wrong, but it is doing what is right. Thus, repentance is doing what is right. It's not about telling the lie, it's about telling the truth. Even the thief on the cross repented. You see, he called Jesus names, but then he defended him. Saul once killed Christians, but Paul established them.

As such, evil did not become more evil when Jesus was around but rather, it was exposed as evil when the light of this world pierced through it's darkness.

 

[Edward]

Edward

Ephesians 5:13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light.

This idea of light in the Bible represents creativity, and all that is good. This theology stems from Genesis 1 for God did not create the darkness for it was and has always been there. Thus the idea that darkness is the absence of light, and all that is good is made known by that which is evil. Evil, just as Darkness are not created entities, rather, they are that which fills the void when light is absent.

Lets take a look at repentance 101. Many say that repentance is "To walk toward God", and while this is correct, it is only a half truth at best. Let me explain. Ephesians 4:28 says that it's not good enough to stop stealing. One has to get a job and then give back to those in need. Likewise, Ephesians 4:25 says we are to stop lying, and start telling the truth.

You see, the sin isn't in the lie, and it isn't in the stealing. The sin is in not doing the good you were created to do which is to be truthful and to give to those in need. These good deeds are represented as light and when there is an absence of light, darkness results.

How then do we know what evil is? When we know and live what light looks like, then evil becomes exposed. It cannot hide from the light. Light is not simply knowing what is wrong, but it is doing what is right. Thus, repentance is doing what is right. It's not about telling the lie, it's about telling the truth. Even the thief on the cross repented. You see, he called Jesus names, but then he defended him. Saul once killed Christians, but Paul established them.

As such, evil did not become more evil when Jesus was around but rather, it was exposed as evil when the light of this world pierced through it's darkness.

Whoa, thanks brother! A scripture in Ephesians 5 backs up my (so-called) theory. Excellent. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light./ (Reproved: 1. to criticize or correct, especially gently: to reprove a pupil for making a mistake. 2. to disapprove of strongly; censure: to reprove a bad decision.) Especially Gently, Just like the man in the video described Jesus's actions. I knew I was catching on to something here...

You also make am interesting point about Ephesians 4, and stealing/lying and so forth. I'm not sure I ever really grasped that before in the way that you explain it, but that is what the scripture says and also makes perfect sense to me. Evil can not hide from the light, and the presence of the light manifests the darkness, and to know what evil is, we must know what the light is. This is the same principle of how they teach bank tellers how to spot counterfeit bills. By getting them very familiar with bonafide bills. I hope I didn't imply that evil became more evil when Jesus presented Himself, evil is evil, He simply illuminated it and purged it. I do believe we're on the same page here. Thanks for your input brother.

 

[stovebolts]

Hi Edward
Can you clear something up for me please?

I hope I can explain this in a way that will get my idea across easily. In scripture...many times when Jesus walked into an area, or got off the boat, or walked into the synagogue or what have you...the evil in the area would manifest itself.

Can you please define the word Manifest in this sentence for me?

So the evil would manifest itself in the presence of the Lord.[/B] I do not believe that this was any sort of coincidence!

Could you also define the word manifest within this context as well?

But all things that are reproved are made manifest (a) by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest (b) is light.

Could you also give me the definition for
a
b

Thank you!

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

the very first bible study I ever taught at a coffee shop, while reading from Ephesians and speaking God's Word,
a demon screamed out loud "STOP!!!" "STOP TALKING ABOUT LOVE!!!" and the girl (upper teenager) ran out of the room. She was later delivered of the presence / oppression/ deception/ power / by prayer and the Power of Yeshua's Name. (the demons have no real power - they are sniveling cowards and totally scared of Jesus' Presence in anyone saved. HOWEVER, they sometimes 'present' with a 'show' (rather dramatic at times, but all 'show') , and 'act' like they have a right to be there. They don't. (they don't have any rights. Jesus took away all their power and the rights they had over people.)

Anyhow, that was a manifestation(but there are other kinds also). similar to infestation, but spiritual instead of rodent -ial or bugs. i.e. don't let them hang around.

 

[Edward]

Hi Edward
Can you clear something up for me please?



Can you please define the word Manifest in this sentence for me?



Could you also define the word manifest within this context as well?



Could you also give me the definition for
a
b

Thank you!

? Well, manifest means to show itself plainly. It means the same thing in both sentences. I'm at a loss to understand why you think I got off the boat, lol. Both sentences essentially say the same thing brother! Also, for questions a & b, the word manifest means the exact same thing.

You said something in your first post;

This idea of light in the Bible represents creativity, and all that is good.

Perhaps your question arises not so much from the term manifest as it is the term Light? Let me draw your attention to a scripture brother and let it speak rather than I.

John 8:12
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life./

To further clarify my usage of the both terms, we'll go to strongs and see how the Greeks defined light as from this passage.

G5457
Light
φῶς
phōs
foce
From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light./

OK brother?

 

[stovebolts]

I think you missed my point Edward.

My point was simply this. Evil has no power, no authority and dare I say no existence? You see, light does not overcome darkness because that's not the nature of light. There is no battle, no war between light and darkness... only in our minds do battles wage war between light and darkness, good and evil. Light always pierces through the darkness and where there is light, there is no darkness and where there is no light, only darkness remains. Darkness isn't created, it's simply the absence of light or if you wanted to say, you could say that evil is created when light is absent but is it possible to create nothing through the absence of something and if so, is there presence in absence? Think on this for a bit if you would.

My thought/question is...At times during our life, there have been moments where we (snap!) become angry or otherwish a heavy emotion befalls us, seemingly...spur of the moment, just like that bang, angry. sometimes the anger can be traced to a trigger, on occasion...with no trigger. Have you ever had this happen to you?

Could it be, that at those times, that we should look for the Lord? Did He just come near?

There are many reasons why we get angry or emotional, but most of the time it's because we don't get our own way or something happened to us. Are there triggers both conscious and unconscious? Certainly there are and they can range from items, smells or even tone. One thing is sure, they are all triggers from an earlier, similar event. Ever get that odd feeling in your gut and you don't know why? Start looking around for objects, smells etc that are either consciously or subconsciously connected to earlier similar events and the aberrations start to straighten out.

John 8:32 says that the truth will set you free, and that it will. When you start to see the truth, the lie has no power over your life. If anger is a manifestation of selfishness, then being unselfish eliminates the anger, and joy takes it's place. Why? Because the truth has set you free. If anger is the manifestation of being hurt, or having a traumatic loss, then having those wounds healed by seeing how God works, and that all things work to the good for those who love God sets you free from that anger, and anger no longer exists for that subject because you have come into the light, and you can see clearly through the eyes of what the Holy Spirit has, and is doing in your life.

The Lord is always near and scripture says that the Holy Spirit dwells in us. Why then must we wait for times of distress to call upon him, or look for His council? If this is the case, then is it possible that God allows these times of distress etc to grab our attention, and to get us to re-focus on the gifts he has bestowed upon us? And if this is true, then is it possible that God actually uses Evil for his good purpose?

 

[Edward]

I think you missed my point Edward.

My point was simply this. Evil has no power, no authority and dare I say no existence? You see, light does not overcome darkness because that's not the nature of light. There is no battle, no war between light and darkness... only in our minds do battles wage war between light and darkness, good and evil. Light always pierces through the darkness and where there is light, there is no darkness and where there is no light, only darkness remains. Darkness isn't created, it's simply the absence of light or if you wanted to say, you could say that evil is created when light is absent but is it possible to create nothing through the absence of something and if so, is there presence in absence? Think on this for a bit if you would.



There are many reasons why we get angry or emotional, but most of the time it's because we don't get our own way or something happened to us. Are there triggers both conscious and unconscious? Certainly there are and they can range from items, smells or even tone. One thing is sure, they are all triggers from an earlier, similar event. Ever get that odd feeling in your gut and you don't know why? Start looking around for objects, smells etc that are either consciously or subconsciously connected to earlier similar events and the aberrations start to straighten out.

John 8:32 says that the truth will set you free, and that it will. When you start to see the truth, the lie has no power over your life. If anger is a manifestation of selfishness, then being unselfish eliminates the anger, and joy takes it's place. Why? Because the truth has set you free. If anger is the manifestation of being hurt, or having a traumatic loss, then having those wounds healed by seeing how God works, and that all things work to the good for those who love God sets you free from that anger, and anger no longer exists for that subject because you have come into the light, and you can see clearly through the eyes of what the Holy Spirit has, and is doing in your life.

The Lord is always near and scripture says that the Holy Spirit dwells in us. Why then must we wait for times of distress to call upon him, or look for His council? If this is the case, then is it possible that God allows these times of distress etc to grab our attention, and to get us to re-focus on the gifts he has bestowed upon us? And if this is true, then is it possible that God actually uses Evil for his good purpose?

I'm going to chew on this for awhile before I reply brother and will come back later and edit in my response to this post. Ok?

Blessings.

 

[Edward]

I think you missed my point Edward.

My point was simply this. Evil has no power, no authority and dare I say no existence? You see, light does not overcome darkness because that's not the nature of light. There is no battle, no war between light and darkness... only in our minds do battles wage war between light and darkness, good and evil. Light always pierces through the darkness and where there is light, there is no darkness and where there is no light, only darkness remains. Darkness isn't created, it's simply the absence of light or if you wanted to say, you could say that evil is created when light is absent but is it possible to create nothing through the absence of something and if so, is there presence in absence? Think on this for a bit if you would.



There are many reasons why we get angry or emotional, but most of the time it's because we don't get our own way or something happened to us. Are there triggers both conscious and unconscious? Certainly there are and they can range from items, smells or even tone. One thing is sure, they are all triggers from an earlier, similar event. Ever get that odd feeling in your gut and you don't know why? Start looking around for objects, smells etc that are either consciously or subconsciously connected to earlier similar events and the aberrations start to straighten out.

John 8:32 says that the truth will set you free, and that it will. When you start to see the truth, the lie has no power over your life. If anger is a manifestation of selfishness, then being unselfish eliminates the anger, and joy takes it's place. Why? Because the truth has set you free. If anger is the manifestation of being hurt, or having a traumatic loss, then having those wounds healed by seeing how God works, and that all things work to the good for those who love God sets you free from that anger, and anger no longer exists for that subject because you have come into the light, and you can see clearly through the eyes of what the Holy Spirit has, and is doing in your life.

The Lord is always near and scripture says that the Holy Spirit dwells in us. Why then must we wait for times of distress to call upon him, or look for His council? If this is the case, then is it possible that God allows these times of distress etc to grab our attention, and to get us to re-focus on the gifts he has bestowed upon us? And if this is true, then is it possible that God actually uses Evil for his good purpose?

Brother, i think you may be over-thinking this. Where there is light there is no darkness? Is this a problem with semantics? Evil doesn't exist? Is there a presence in absence? Of evil? You bet there is. I'm not sure if your going scientific on me, and not considering God in your thoughts, or if you're not considering light to be God and darkness to be evil, or what, but that's what makes me think we may be having a problem with semantics.

i agree truth will set you free and takes the power away from evil, and then we are walking in light and lies will not be able to take root. We do not (or should not) wait until times of distress to call upon the Lord, right-o on that brother. but the nature of man is (pride) such that when all is well, we tend to forget God, and only in times of distress will we say oh God help me. God certainly does use evil for His purpose in that if we are befallen and cry out for help then He will certainly lift us up. Many times I believe that it is just enough to stop the crisis though. If He were to fill our plate then we would naturally drift away and He wants us to continue to seek Him daily, in Good times and bad. it is a progression and we learn over time to trust Him more and (hopefully) stay with it. If we do, then he begins to trust us more, and will reveal more and bless us with more. But we have to stay focused upon Him!

 

[stovebolts]

Brother, i think you may be over-thinking this. Where there is light there is no darkness? Is this a problem with semantics? Evil doesn't exist? Is there a presence in absence? Of evil? You bet there is. I'm not sure if your going scientific on me, and not considering God in your thoughts, or if you're not considering light to be God and darkness to be evil, or what, but that's what makes me think we may be having a problem with semantics.

I don't believe it's semantics. Obviously I've failed miserably to properly articulate in a manner which you would be able to duplicate my thoughts. and so it shall remain a mystery to you.

i agree truth will set you free and takes the power away from evil, and then we are walking in light and lies will not be able to take root. We do not (or should not) wait until times of distress to call upon the Lord, right-o on that brother. but the nature of man is (pride) such that when all is well, we tend to forget God, and only in times of distress will we say oh God help me. God certainly does use evil for His purpose in that if we are befallen and cry out for help then He will certainly lift us up. Many times I believe that it is just enough to stop the crisis though. If He were to fill our plate then we would naturally drift away and He wants us to continue to seek Him daily, in Good times and bad. it is a progression and we learn over time to trust Him more and (hopefully) stay with it. If we do, then he begins to trust us more, and will reveal more and bless us with more. But we have to stay focused upon Him!

There is much I could write, but I'm fearful it too would not be articulated concisely.

Enjoy your weekend.

 

[reba]

StoveBolts other members read your posts please continue...

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

meanwhile, however, there is a mighty spiritual battle going on literally in the air around us, as the prophets of old saw, and whom-so-ever's eyes God opened to behold them. the enemy satan is very real and prowling the earth to see whom he may devour, and he has destroyed many souls and has used men in ignorance or in stupid willingness to help him achieve his goals.
daniel, paul, john, peter, and many others testified of or wrote about their battles and the churches battles with wicked ones(people and angels perhaps) , and all through the centuries saints have overcome the enemy with their testimony and the blood of the lamb slain for their sins; they have seen the enemy and described it in voluminous detail over the centuries - his methods of deception, and his ever-popular use of common worldly pleasures (not just ear-tickling) to trick multitudes.