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Bible Study Study on the Milk or Meat

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Elijah674

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This is a Good study! And a thought or two comes into mind. One is the Titus 3:9-11 verses which have an 'once or twice' stated in them + VAIN. ??

Then comes this Heb. 5 chapter having both Words of 'babes' + 'hard to be uttered, seeing that ye are dull [of hearing]' So the word of REPROBATE surely would not include the ones with theirfirst love as babes in these couple verses, would they?? Being DULL OF HEARING sounds like they have been around quite a spell, and should be even teachers by now.. of Truth!

Also Peter states1 Peter 2:2..
[1] Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
[2] As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
(do you suppose that that includes any of us with the Rev. 17:1-5 doctrines from Jer. 17:5??)

And 1 Cor. 3:2..
[1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
[2] I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, [neither yet now are ye able].
[3] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

[4] For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
(Huh? in other words of 'man' which of the Jer. 17:5 men do you pick to follow?)

[5] Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
[6] I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
[7] So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

And??? There is NO one on these sites who doesn't post up even their 'pet'milk' translations when it bolsters their baby stuff, + the old dead men who might of even believed things not 'seen yet' in the early days as being very false!

SO AGAIN: Heb. 5
[11] Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
[12] For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

If one started in Gen. 1-3 on, they might find what 'baby' Adam + Eve who were without sin and said to be created very good were FIRST FED WITH by GOD. Perfect, yet they were IN/MATURE BABIES.
And DULL OF HEARING?? The today ones go on the devil's forbidden as if they are the meat fed ones. Yes! Eccl. 3:15


--Elijah
 
Elijah... your posts are VERY hard to read with so much underlined and bolded and different colors. I wish you would tone it down just a LITTLE! :pray

The "milk" is the original instruction of Moses and the Prophets. The "meat" is the New Covenant. A "babe" must have the original instruction before he can chew the muscle. Think of it this way:

The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed
The Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed
 
Elijah... your posts are VERY hard to read with so much underlined and bolded and different colors. I wish you would tone it down just a LITTLE! :pray

The "milk" is the original instruction of Moses and the Prophets. The "meat" is the New Covenant. A "babe" must have the original instruction before he can chew the muscle. Think of it this way:

The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed
The Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed

Hardly as simpley stated as that. If Christ had of been accepted by Israel as a nation, the Bible would have for/known that & been documented differently.

Then comes this Heb. 5 chapter having both Words of 'babes' + 'hard to be uttered, seeing that ye are dull [of hearing]' So the word of REPROBATE surely would not include the ones with their first love as babes in these couple verses, would they?? Being DULL OF HEARING sounds like they have been around quite a spell, and should be even teachers by now.. of Truth!

And when it is for/known & documented as is in Isa. 5:3, we find that it was an whold church who rejected Christ for an 'house'. (Israel's 'empty of Christ yet true doctrinal house)

[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, [judge, I pray you, betwixt me and [my vineyard].

[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
....
[7] For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

And were these ones babes and very dull of hearing? SURELY! (as are the Rev. 17:1-5 repeats)
 
Hardly as simpley stated as that. If Christ had of been accepted by Israel as a nation, the Bible would have for/known that & been documented differently.
But it IS that simple! The entire life story of Joseph (who is a picture of the Messiah) lays it all out for us, down to every single detail narrated for us in Gen 37 through 50. Here is a BRIEF overview:


Joseph is sent by Jacob (the Son is sent by the Father) to look after the welfare of His flock. His brethren hated and rejected Him, sold Him off and threw Him into a pit thinking they would never see Him again. When they go to Egypt to buy food, the Son reveals Himself to them, as the second highest man in the world!
Again I stress:

The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; and
The Old Testament is the New Testament revealed

Then comes this Heb. 5 chapter having both Words of 'babes' + 'hard to be uttered, seeing that ye are dull [of hearing]' So the word of REPROBATE surely would not include the ones with their first love as babes in these couple verses, would they?? Being DULL OF HEARING sounds like they have been around quite a spell, and should be even teachers by now.. of Truth!
This book was written for the Jews (aka Hebrews) who supposedly already knew Moses and the Prophets. But they did NOT know Moses and the Prophets anymore because they had already forsaken them a long time ago. They were dull of hearing because they “need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God.†(aka:Moses and the Prophets) This is the same issue the Messiah had with the Pharisees…. that they were NOT following Moses.


And when it is for/known & documented as is in Isa. 5:3, we find that it was an whold church who rejected Christ for an 'house'. (Israel's 'empty of Christ yet true doctrinal house)
I'm sorry, but I don’t have a clue what you’re trying to say, here.






 
This is a Good study! And a thought or two comes into mind. One is the Titus 3:9-11 verses which have an 'once or twice' stated in them + VAIN. ??

Then comes this Heb. 5 chapter having both Words of 'babes' + 'hard to be uttered, seeing that ye are dull [of hearing]' So the word of REPROBATE surely would not include the ones with theirfirst love as babes in these couple verses, would they?? Being DULL OF HEARING sounds like they have been around quite a spell, and should be even teachers by now.. of Truth!

Also Peter states1 Peter 2:2..
[1] Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
[2] As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
(do you suppose that that includes any of us with the Rev. 17:1-5 doctrines from Jer. 17:5??)

And 1 Cor. 3:2..
[1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
[2] I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, [neither yet now are ye able].
[3] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

[4] For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
(Huh? in other words of 'man' which of the Jer. 17:5 men do you pick to follow?)

[5] Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
[6] I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
[7] So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

And??? There is NO one on these sites who doesn't post up even their 'pet'milk' translations when it bolsters their baby stuff, + the old dead men who might of even believed things not 'seen yet' in the early days as being very false!

SO AGAIN: Heb. 5
[11] Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
[12] For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

If one started in Gen. 1-3 on, they might find what 'baby' Adam + Eve who were without sin and said to be created very good were FIRST FED WITH by GOD. Perfect, yet they were IN/MATURE BABIES.
And DULL OF HEARING?? The today ones go on the devil's forbidden as if they are the meat fed ones. Yes! Eccl. 3:15





























--Elijah






























Me again:
Adam had ETERNAL LIFE 'IF' what?? The first sermon Lovingly preached to this NEW CREATED BABY was what??

And us in Rom. 8:1 as Justified New Born Babes are yet still not MATURED as was Adam at his creation, & our re/creation (Born Again) has a CONDITIONAL Rom. 8:14 verse as did Adam & Eve in Gen. 2:16-17! They to were still perfect with NO CONDEMNATION as are we.. but only at this point of OBEDIENCE!
 
Here is a post from another site, see how he has this study of the Doctrin Of Christ maturing!:thumbsup
____________

Jesus Christ is often referred to as "The Son of MAN"!
There was NO "MAN" involved in the birth of Christ.
Christ (GOD), became MAN, the ONLY hybrid GOD/MAN ever.
So why is He called "The Son of MAN?"
Because MAN refers to a Species!
So how can Jesus Christ be called GOD?
Because GOD refers to ALL MEMBERS of the Godhead!
It also refers to God the Father as GOD, but that don't make Jesus Christ OR the Holy Ghost, God the Father, yet they are still GOD, as members of the Godhead.

TTUL
Gary


You might be missing Psalms 2:7 which was a future Son/man/second/Adam?

Christ of the O.T. was equal with Jehovah/God & the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost God. (They are still in Unified UNITY!)
The latter part of Rom. 4:17 surely does confuse these ones when God does indeed.. '...and calleth those things which be not as though they were.'
And that sometimes has Christ misunderstood to always be the Son/God before He became so. (other than in the Plan from Eternity)

And the Plan of Jesus/Son was to be BROUGTH Forth from Eternity when it was time. (N.T.)
See Psalms 2:7 + Acts 13:33 for this known Truth + Heb.1:3-5 for the Time element. (these verses document that it was the Eternal Plan that the Godhead would bring forth) Even note in Proverbs we find Christ in furture prophesied to be playing in the EARTH!(
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) Prov. 8:30-31

But your post is way way way ahead of most of these supposedly mature ones! And it is interesting how these ones think that they are not the babes of Heb. 5, and miss verse 10-11 'dull of hearing +'ought to be teachers'! So they have BEEN AROUND A LONG LONG TIME! Gen. 6:3 is aproaching if not gone by-by? Rev. 17:1-5

And the Doctrine of Christ they still do not savvy! Sad indeed.

--Elijah
 
There are no simple one or two word answers to such a question. Of what were they dull of hearing? What "Meat" had they missed. Or What is Hebrews about in the first place? Please read this prayerfully, This is Meat!

Question
The words of Hebrews 5:11 poses a question that should send us all digging into the word. What were the “many things to say� The many things were about, Christ, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. This is a new priesthood. We find in the Bible the first men set aside as priest they were the firstborn sanctified to God. They were to have a birthright responsibility to God to be the spiritual backbone of the nation. The Patriarchs of the Old Testament were such men. The eldest of the family became the leaders both government and spiritual. Their priesthood was by birth they were given to God. Later after the nation was mature and given an inheritance God chose a specific group from one tribe to be the priest, the Levities. But, who was this Melchizedek, and what was his priesthood. Why was he chosen from all the Old Testament leaders to be a type for Christ? Lets look at the beginning of the story. Gen 14

Story
As is often true in the affairs of men the kings of Abraham’s day could not get along and greed caused them to invade and capture one another’s land, people, and property. And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way. And they took Lot, Abram’s brother’s son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and depart.
As is often true in the affairs of men, the kings made a big mistake they took Lot and his family captive. Of course word of this got back to Abraham and he could not let Lot be taken. Abraham used what God had given him. When Abram heard that his brother’s son was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan. And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them. And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.

Ok. Now look at this, the mighty kings of the land fought wars and took captives and then Abraham and his servants defeated them in battle after battle. As Abraham and his men were coming home they passed another king, the one that lost the battle and let Lot get taken. So the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him. I feel sure this king wanted to meet Abraham on friendly terms if possible and to be sure Abraham did not do to him what was done to the other warring kings. He was smart enough to bring help he brought a man Abraham would respect; Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Abraham recognized the man of God and honored both God and priest by giving an offering that was required by God, to God the way all such offerings are given, at the hand of the priest. And so we meet this figure from the Old Testament. A king, a Priest, an equal to Abraham, A Patriarch, first born in a time when the first-born was Sanctified to be the spiritual leaders of men. The only way he could have been a Priest was by birthright. King and priest by birth just as Christ was to be which is why Melchizedek is a type of Christ. And it is this priest by birth that is of interest to us.

In the second priesthood, the Levitical Priesthood, The priest were born of one family and had to prove it. Their genealogy was very important. It was their right to be a priest. The records were kept with care and ceremony. Mother, father, birth date, and life was all carefully recorded and kept for the future, because they would need the records. The Nation of Israel had a formal Priesthood. These were charged with the spiritual health of a nation, God’s people. Melchizedek was not such a priest. We are told he did not have the needed records of mother, father, birth, and life of service. And of course the Levitical Priesthood had not been given when we meet him with Abraham.
Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

A priest by birth, a priest sanctified to God, a priest from the people, and a priest as spiritual teacher for all, this is the King and priest by birth order of Melchisedec. Why was this Old Testament man selected, Maybe it is because he was both priest by birth and a king.

Let me try to bring some things together and make my point. The point of this discussion, and the many things to say, and hard to be uttered is this priest hood. The fact that Christ is our high priest is not hard to follow, God said it. What that means to us in daily life seems not to have been widely seen. Christ is our High Priest after the order of Melchisedec, by birth. When we look beyond our self and see the wondrous Grace of God, and with the simplest Faith reach out to Him, the one who paid sins price with His own Blood, we are born into the family of God.
It is a birthright with eternal life and eternal responsibility!

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of
the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

The spirit of adoption making us the children of God and joint-heirs of Christ is the new priesthood. It is the adoption into the family of God. There is much that has not been included in what it means to be a Christian in the teachings of the church. Part may have been because it was hard to say and we weak of understanding. But, in the history of the church a good part of the problem is telling the Christian story in a way to help those in leadership positions control the masses of people.

How do you tell someone you are a child of the king heir to the throne of God, member of the heavenly family, Priest under the High Priest Jesus Christ. You may go directly to the fathers side with your petitions.

Then tell them I am in charge and will tell you what you need to know and do for the church. I will tell you what the scripture says and all you must do. The failure to teach the truth about the Priesthood of the Church is a choice of the leaders in the church to control people and the same grasp for power that lead to both the Reformation and the Enlightenment.

First the priest hood was by birth in a family of Gods chosen people.
Second is a tribe of Israel chosen by God to replace the birthright.
Third is the High Priesthood of Jesus, and our adoption into the family of God.

1 Peter 2:4-5 (NKJV)
4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:9 (NKJV)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Revelation 1:5-6 (NKJV)
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 5:10 (NKJV)
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 20:5-6 (NKJV)
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

We are adopted heirs to the wonders of God. These verses say Jesus made us kings and priest unto God. We need no one to take our cause to God. We have the adoption of sons, the status of family, and may go to God on His promise and blood.

Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing…

This new birthright and our place in it along with our relation to Jesus Christ our High Priest is the heart of “many things to say†and of which we cannot allow our selves to be “dull of hearingâ€. Much of the problem in our present time come from the church not teaching the true position and responsibilities of the Christian.
We have a responsibility to go tell others the wonders of God’s grace. If there is suffering and hard work, the toil is nothing compared to the love of God.
 
There are no simple one or two word answers to such a question. Of what were they dull of hearing? What "Meat" had they missed. Or What is Hebrews about in the first place? Please read this prayerfully, This is Meat!

Question
The words of Hebrews 5:11 poses a question that should send us all digging into the word. What were the “many things to say� The many things were about, Christ, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. This is a new priesthood. We find in the Bible the first men set aside as priest they were the firstborn sanctified to God. They were to have a birthright responsibility to God to be the spiritual backbone of the nation. The Patriarchs of the Old Testament were such men. The eldest of the family became the leaders both government and spiritual. Their priesthood was by birth they were given to God. Later after the nation was mature and given an inheritance God chose a specific group from one tribe to be the priest, the Levities. But, who was this Melchizedek, and what was his priesthood. Why was he chosen from all the Old Testament leaders to be a type for Christ? Lets look at the beginning of the story. Gen 14

Story
As is often true in the affairs of men the kings of Abraham’s day could not get along and greed caused them to invade and capture one another’s land, people, and property. And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way. And they took Lot, Abram’s brother’s son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and depart.
As is often true in the affairs of men, the kings made a big mistake they took Lot and his family captive. Of course word of this got back to Abraham and he could not let Lot be taken. Abraham used what God had given him. When Abram heard that his brother’s son was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan. And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them. And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.

Ok. Now look at this, the mighty kings of the land fought wars and took captives and then Abraham and his servants defeated them in battle after battle. As Abraham and his men were coming home they passed another king, the one that lost the battle and let Lot get taken. So the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him. I feel sure this king wanted to meet Abraham on friendly terms if possible and to be sure Abraham did not do to him what was done to the other warring kings. He was smart enough to bring help he brought a man Abraham would respect; Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Abraham recognized the man of God and honored both God and priest by giving an offering that was required by God, to God the way all such offerings are given, at the hand of the priest. And so we meet this figure from the Old Testament. A king, a Priest, an equal to Abraham, A Patriarch, first born in a time when the first-born was Sanctified to be the spiritual leaders of men. The only way he could have been a Priest was by birthright. King and priest by birth just as Christ was to be which is why Melchizedek is a type of Christ. And it is this priest by birth that is of interest to us.

In the second priesthood, the Levitical Priesthood, The priest were born of one family and had to prove it. Their genealogy was very important. It was their right to be a priest. The records were kept with care and ceremony. Mother, father, birth date, and life was all carefully recorded and kept for the future, because they would need the records. The Nation of Israel had a formal Priesthood. These were charged with the spiritual health of a nation, God’s people. Melchizedek was not such a priest. We are told he did not have the needed records of mother, father, birth, and life of service. And of course the Levitical Priesthood had not been given when we meet him with Abraham.
Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

A priest by birth, a priest sanctified to God, a priest from the people, and a priest as spiritual teacher for all, this is the King and priest by birth order of Melchisedec. Why was this Old Testament man selected, Maybe it is because he was both priest by birth and a king.

Let me try to bring some things together and make my point. The point of this discussion, and the many things to say, and hard to be uttered is this priest hood. The fact that Christ is our high priest is not hard to follow, God said it. What that means to us in daily life seems not to have been widely seen. Christ is our High Priest after the order of Melchisedec, by birth. When we look beyond our self and see the wondrous Grace of God, and with the simplest Faith reach out to Him, the one who paid sins price with His own Blood, we are born into the family of God.
It is a birthright with eternal life and eternal responsibility!

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of
the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

The spirit of adoption making us the children of God and joint-heirs of Christ is the new priesthood. It is the adoption into the family of God. There is much that has not been included in what it means to be a Christian in the teachings of the church. Part may have been because it was hard to say and we weak of understanding. But, in the history of the church a good part of the problem is telling the Christian story in a way to help those in leadership positions control the masses of people.

How do you tell someone you are a child of the king heir to the throne of God, member of the heavenly family, Priest under the High Priest Jesus Christ. You may go directly to the fathers side with your petitions.

Then tell them I am in charge and will tell you what you need to know and do for the church. I will tell you what the scripture says and all you must do. The failure to teach the truth about the Priesthood of the Church is a choice of the leaders in the church to control people and the same grasp for power that lead to both the Reformation and the Enlightenment.

First the priest hood was by birth in a family of Gods chosen people.
Second is a tribe of Israel chosen by God to replace the birthright.
Third is the High Priesthood of Jesus, and our adoption into the family of God.

1 Peter 2:4-5 (NKJV)
4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:9 (NKJV)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Revelation 1:5-6 (NKJV)
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 5:10 (NKJV)
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 20:5-6 (NKJV)
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

We are adopted heirs to the wonders of God. These verses say Jesus made us kings and priest unto God. We need no one to take our cause to God. We have the adoption of sons, the status of family, and may go to God on His promise and blood.

Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing…

This new birthright and our place in it along with our relation to Jesus Christ our High Priest is the heart of “many things to say†and of which we cannot allow our selves to be “dull of hearingâ€. Much of the problem in our present time come from the church not teaching the true position and responsibilities of the Christian.
We have a responsibility to go tell others the wonders of God’s grace. If there is suffering and hard work, the toil is nothing compared to the love of God.

Good post. And it sure sounds truthful that these ones are not the new converts with their first love! 'dull of hearing +'ought to be teachers'! So they have BEEN AROUND A LONG LONG TIME!

Yet we find evangelism commanded to be laid aside in Matt. 10:5-6 for a several year spell!

--Elijah
 
Re: Study on the Milk or Meat.. What was satans first Lie?

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Who today has the Holy Spirit?? (or an evil spirit?)
'God 'breathed into his [nostriles] the [breath of life: ] and man [became] a living soul.' Gen. 2:7

And take note that mankind had never existed before this!
Or does one remember their 'breath of life with a brain' that they call a spirit living outside of mankind’s body! Even see Eze. 18:20 + Eze. 18:4 we see the DEAD soul. And more souls?? Rev. 16:3.

And in Job 27:3 'All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;'

Eccl. 12
[7] Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

And 'The Spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.' Meaning that they do not contradict the Holy Spirits INSPIRATION!

So then take note of what David's pen wrote in Psalms 146...

[1] Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
[2] While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
[3] Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
[4] [[His breath]] goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Yet some falsely teach that hell has even immortal sinners + maggots alive living there in Eternity! Some/where eternally burning today even in the center of the earth!

Another prophet that is 'subject to all of the prophets' is seen in Eccl. 9
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

It sure sounds as if they are [BRAIN/DEAD] once again!
Yet satan say's not so! + his crew.

Yet, most all of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones whose mother is the great whore also teach satan's lies of Gen. 3.

God said that.. 'THOU SHALT SURELY DIE'! (Gen. 2:17)

And this was well before the PLAN OF SALVATION came about!


And satan?? 'ye shall not surely die' What is even more certain is Obad. 1:16 for the great mass who will be blotted from ETERNITY!

And after Adam & Eve sinned, the Tree of Life was removed. Gen. 3:22-23 For God never would allow ETERNAL living sinners!

'i' like Job's answer as for another prophet agreeing for mankind’s future!
Job 14

[10] But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
(if he has the Holy Ghost!)
[11] As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:
[12] So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

[13] O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
[14] If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
[15] Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

And??? Job was one that died being Born Again, huh!! Even as ALL of these Heb. 11:13 ones did!
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And who here BELIEVES God & does have the Holy Spirit?? Eccl. 3:15 (Acts 5:32!)


--Elijah
 
[FONT=Verdana,arial]Some further study[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,arial]from another site done by me: --Elijah[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]Elijah674 wrote: [/FONT]

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Please speak for just yourself ok? (not me) When learning [Rom. 8:14] is important, the Jer. 17:5 ones will not be the tool used! Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 finds that stuff flawed.
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]We surely are in the Dan. 12:1-4 & Hosea 4:6 ENDING! Not the horse & buggy stage. No offense intended![/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]But the Bible speaks of 'plumb/bobs', do today's engineers still us them? (or plumb line) And Amos. 7:7-8 FINDS a good study indeed! And the 'plowman' ibid 9:13 finds these ones OVERTAKING the Jer. 17:5 ones. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]And surely any Born Again saint can breath a sigh of releaf with that? Rev. 18:4 With God documenting the Rev. 17:1-5 Ending![/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]--Elijah[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]PS: And a Son 'begotton' is the Eternal Known [[PLAN]] that was prophesied to be [BROUGHT FORTH]. Christ/God became a Christ/God/[[Son]]! Psalms 2:7 Acts 13:33 + Heb,. 1:5[/FONT]

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--Me again
OK: Just toss out all of these other dude's of Jer. 17:5, and understand what the 66 Books are called. The TESTIMONY of Jesus . Rev. 19:10 And that IS THE 'SPIRIT' of PROPHECY bringing Him to us!

And the Bible has been INSPIRED from cover to cover for just this SELECT group included in the group (Peter 1:20-21) who TESTIFY of Jesus Christ.

OK: Now we see in Isa. 8:20 what must be required to understand the complete doctrine of Christ + much else. Take special note of two facts here. Law is first because this is the ONLY portion of God's WORD that He Himself penned & put into the saved ones heart.
Then 'ALL' can find the WHOLE BIBLE TESTIMONY PART THAT IS [[REQUIRED]] for ALL TRUTH! Otherwise what??? '... If they speak not according to this WORD, [IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM]'

So again, just DUMP this Jer. 17:5 garbage & do your study the Way that the WORD OF GOD tells us that [IS REQUIRED]! Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 + Isa. 28:7-9-10!

Again friend: It is like a court testimony with these Prophets ALL UNDER OATH, and then telling their Truth as they had seen it in Inspiration. After ALL of the 'TESTIMONY OF JESUS' [[[WORD]] is given by their testimony, it is then that the PICTURE can be seen like the putting of a puzzle together! The TESTIMONY of Christ's WORD IS COMPLETELY DOCUMENTED THEN!

Isa. 28 Find these 'teachers' there are spiritual drunkards! (on satan fermented stuff! compare Rev. 17:1-5) & note clearly how Inspiration documents for one to now, go to get the Truth!

[7] But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
[8] For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
[9] Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

[10] ***For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:***


The 'DOCTRINE OF CHRIST IS SEEN'! And in Gen. we find that Adam lost his domain to satan & then the Plan of Salvation was 'SET' in motion with the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST as it's [[CENTERPIECE!]]. Acts 4:12 was the Only way back from Eternal DEATH! And that was & is CONDITIONAL!

And AGAIN Christ told Nicodemus (and the Universe) that one had to be re/born! Spiritually brought back to the way that Adam was before he sinned. And that was & is ONLY the REQUIRED STARTING POINT all over again. Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9 POWER OF CHRIST IS SUPPLIED for the New/Born (Adam) Babe in Christ to MATURE! Na. 1:9
And it requires Acts 5:32's FULL DAILY SURRENDER!

--Elijah
























































































































 
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