Sudden Destruction / Rapture?

[XTruth]

Hi there,

I've seen a common trend for a long time now that everyone seems to get behind, but it isn't correct, unless I need to be corrected. So an understanding of why people associate the Rapture with sudden destruction, or "SD" would be welcomed.

It is kind of like using the term "day of the Lord" for the Rapture. The day of Christ is when He comes for His saints, while the day of the Lord is used always in Old Testament and New to mean the time of the 2nd Coming with the saints until the end of the Millennial Reign.

It is like using "Jacob's Trouble" or "The Great Tribulation" for the whole of Daniel's 70th Week or the 7 Year Tribulation.

The sudden destruction, only used in 1 Thes.5:3 as far as I have known, is when Antichrist shall have conquered the 10 kingdoms inside the Roman Empire in the first 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th Week (Dan.7:23-24; Rev.13 & 17), and by these kingdoms shall have conquered Russia and the other nations north and east of the Roman Empire in the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th Week (Dan.11:40-45), it will be time for the world to be saying "Peace and safety." They will think that getting rid of Israel (Zech.14) will mean no further wars. They will then look forward to a period of peace and prosperity, but the Lord will come suddenly when Jerusalem is half taken and sudden destruction will be upon all the nations at Armageddon (Zech 14; Joel 3; Rev.19:11-21).

So what I am really doing is correcting this "Sudden Destruction / Rapture" doctrine that has spread like wildfire. The 2 terms / events are not interchangeable or the same event. But I was sincere about hearing the beliefs of why we have made it this way.

Thanks

 

[jasoncran]

i dont see that as the same event, but i do see the rapture of the saints as God's way of removing the saints as he pours his wrath.when that will be in the trib is debated. i would say before the via judgments. i do see saints in some judgements but they arent affected ie the locusts affect only the persons marked with the number of the beast.

 

[warhorse]

Hi there,

I've seen a common trend for a long time now that everyone seems to get behind, but it isn't correct, unless I need to be corrected. So an understanding of why people associate the Rapture with sudden destruction, or "SD" would be welcomed.

It is kind of like using the term "day of the Lord" for the Rapture. The day of Christ is when He comes for His saints, while the day of the Lord is used always in Old Testament and New to mean the time of the 2nd Coming with the saints until the end of the Millennial Reign.

It is like using "Jacob's Trouble" or "The Great Tribulation" for the whole of Daniel's 70th Week or the 7 Year Tribulation.

The sudden destruction, only used in 1 Thes.5:3 as far as I have known, is when Antichrist shall have conquered the 10 kingdoms inside the Roman Empire in the first 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th Week (Dan.7:23-24; Rev.13 & 17), and by these kingdoms shall have conquered Russia and the other nations north and east of the Roman Empire in the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th Week (Dan.11:40-45), it will be time for the world to be saying "Peace and safety." They will think that getting rid of Israel (Zech.14) will mean no further wars. They will then look forward to a period of peace and prosperity, but the Lord will come suddenly when Jerusalem is half taken and sudden destruction will be upon all the nations at Armageddon (Zech 14; Joel 3; Rev.19:11-21).

So what I am really doing is correcting this "Sudden Destruction / Rapture" doctrine that has spread like wildfire. The 2 terms / events are not interchangeable or the same event. But I was sincere about hearing the beliefs of why we have made it this way.

Thanks

Well the day of the lord and the day of Christ are the same. Now lets put that statement back in its context shall we.

1 thes 4v16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 thes 5v1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

We tend to look over these inconveniant details, but here paul has stated that the timing of the rapture is on the day of the lord. They are used interchangable because they are, christ is greek(the nt language) for messiah or lord .

2 thess 1v7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

You who are troubled is the church and our rest comes when

2 thes 2v1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The day of christ cannot happen until the falling away and the revelation of the man of sin.

2 thes 2v5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

[Stormcrow]

day of the Lord is used always in Old Testament and New to mean the time of the 2nd Coming with the saints until the end of the Millennial Reign.

In the Bible I read, "Day of the Lord" means judgment.

Isa 13:6
La 2:22
Eze 13:5
Eze 30:3
Joel 1:15
Joel 2:1
Joel 2:11
Joel 2:31
Joel 3:14
Am 5:18
Am 5:20
Ob 1:15
Zep 1:7
Zep 1:8
Zep 1:14
Zep 1:18
Zep 2:2
Zep 2:3
Mal 4:5
Ac 2:20
1Co 5:5
1Th 5:2
2Th 2:2
2Pe 3:10

Feel free to look up any and all verses in that list. They all point to the same thing: judgment.