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Suicide & Hell

Lewis

Lewis

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Study Finds Most Christians Don’t Believe Suicide Will Send You to Hell
http://www.christianheadlines.com/b...-t-believe-suicide-will-send-you-to-hell.html
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Though have to say there's always an element of uncertainty...the possibility was one of my deterrents when I was suicidal. (But then I'm never certain of anything, I always picture a thousand possibilities.)
 
I dont believe it will ... it can...
I had cancer Had Christ returned or i died while having cancer i did not loose my salvation
If my mind is sick can/will i loose my salvation
 
I was told because you are now dead, you can't ask God for forgiveness. If you kill somebody, you can still go to Heaven because you are alive to ask God to forgive you. Now that is what I was told many years ago.
 
I don't think killing yourself is going to pull you out of salvation assuming you are already in it.
At the same time, I do want to be careful because in the past we had a suicidal member who wanted to kill themselves all the more because people were saying it wouldn't send them to hell.

Really, I'm just happy to hear people are more sympathetic to those in that state of mind. As someone who's been there and knows others who have, it's not a place you want to be, you know? Believe me, the last thing suicidal people need is a guilt trip. They hate themselves enough already.
 
Lewis said:
I was told because you are now dead, you can't ask God for forgiveness. If you kill somebody, you can still go to Heaven because you are alive to ask God to forgive you. Now that is what I was told many years ago.
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me too Lewis III ... we were told a lot back then
 
Been there on more occasions than I dare to mention. But thinking that I could go to hell where there are no exit signs if I don't like the place, has stopped me. about 2 times.
 
Lewis said:
I was told because you are now dead, you can't ask God for forgiveness. If you kill somebody, you can still go to Heaven because you are alive to ask God to forgive you. Now that is what I was told many years ago.
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That is the same thing a bunch of Baptist kids told me, several times, before I joined the military. I was never certain until after I was saved in '90 and began my studies while listening to through The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.
 
Lewis said:
Been there on more occasions than I dare to mention. But thinking that I could go to hell where there are no exit signs if I don't like the place, has stopped me. about 2 times.
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My last two tours in combat were suicide runs, Sir Charles is just a, very, bad shot. I figured if he did it for me, I'm still going to Hell but, as I understood and still understand, there are levels of Torment, just as there are levels of reward in Heaven and I would not, maybe, end up on or near the bottom? (Question mark not a typo, this is the way the lost Bill Taylor thought, remember, I was crazy enough to fly in a slow, slow, moving aircraft, right5 into the middle of as much as several thousand enemy soldiers to pull men out of there. Could there ever be a limit to stupidity? :rolleyes
 
reba said:
I dont believe it will ... it can...
I had cancer Had Christ returned or i died while having cancer i did not loose my salvation
If my mind is sick can/will i loose my salvation
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What led to the sick mind though? If we don't obey the Word and cast down every imagination that is contrary to the Word of God, those tiny little suggestions the devil plants can grow bigger and bigger.

Since all sins leads to death, then is it a sick mind that ignores that and continues to feed itself with porn? Is that not sin any more since the mind is sick, lusting after the stuff?

Killing yourself simply means you don't believe there is anything way possible God can fix it. It believes God won't fix things. It's a void of faith.

Just like sin, it's a mind complete of judgement and faith. A person that wants to continue to sin, has convinced themselves it won't cost them anything in life.

I am not the judge of someone killing themselves, but I don't think it's black and white. The heart condition has to be taken into account, and what brought that heart to the place of suicide.

Now if you believe in OSAS, then we might as well end it and get to a better place, forget everyone else.

Mike.
 
Suicide in my opinion is not just a sin against yourself, or against God. And though I hope God would be kind to anyone so down that they contemplate suicide, and act on it, it affects more then just the person and God. One thought for me that had kept me away from suicide in a dark time in my life was that I didn't want to do that to my mom or dad. Later on I heard a study that talked about sucide happining in groups. Years without incidents in a community then after one incident, others followed. Because of the grief that grew in those that cared, some also killed themselves is the suggested explaination to the phenomon.

I really hope that suicide isn't a direct path to hell. But I'm sure there's some consquence to doing it.
 
If life and death is in Gods hands, then who is doing the killing? Not you, not me.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

He sets it before us, not you, not me.
 
Brother Mike said:
What led to the sick mind though? If we don't obey the Word and cast down every imagination that is contrary to the Word of God, those tiny little suggestions the devil plants can grow bigger and bigger.

Since all sins leads to death, then is it a sick mind that ignores that and continues to feed itself with porn? Is that not sin any more since the mind is sick, lusting after the stuff?

Killing yourself simply means you don't believe there is anything way possible God can fix it. It believes God won't fix things. It's a void of faith.

Just like sin, it's a mind complete of judgement and faith. A person that wants to continue to sin, has convinced themselves it won't cost them anything in life.

I am not the judge of someone killing themselves, but I don't think it's black and white. The heart condition has to be taken into account, and what brought that heart to the place of suicide.

Now if you believe in OSAS, then we might as well end it and get to a better place, forget everyone else.

Mike.
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I profess OSAS. When I was suicidal one of my reasons for not going through with it was that by abandoning my life I would be walking out on any plans God had and that even if I was in heaven I would regret my decision and God would not be happy with my decision either.

There can be a lot of causes for the illness type of depression. To my very rudimentary understanding, it's basically a hormone balance thing that leads to this--your mind can be sick just as your body can. It gets to be too much and you're not thinking clearly in that state of mind...you can't, it's like something is controlling you. Who wants to go through life feeling like that all the time? If you could change it, you definitely would. When by the grace of God I finally got out of it, I was terrified that it would happen again.

You can't help being in mental pain anymore than you can help being in physical pain, even if better choices beforehand might have prevented either. (And the brain processes both types of pain in the same place.) Someone can be in so much physical pain that they feel like they can't bear it and might temporarily wish to die to get out of it, right? Mental pain can be like that, too, except it's over a longer period of time usually.
 
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Not_Now.Soon said:
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Really? What do those studies conclude? (I've never heard that side of NDEs. One's that occured because of suicide.)
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They're quite a few suicide-NDEs out there if you look. I know because I myself was strongly considering suicide as a solution to my medical situation (amongst other things, migraine headaches every day for almost two years straight). I have a feeling that there are many more such testimonies that are self-suppressed, as people tend not to be as open about hellish after-life experiences in general (due to shame), and especially suicide-driven deaths.

One of the more famous ones is by Angie Fenimore, who over-dosed and wound up in a special section of Hell (for suicides). She met and conversed with the Father, who explained the horrific consequences of killing oneself. You take all the depression with you, and are eternally separated from God's mercy. The pain of separation here is worse that the physcial torment experienced in other parts of hell.
 
questdriven said:
I profess OSAS. When I was suicidal one of my reasons for not going through with it was that by abandoning my life I would be walking out on any plans God had and that even if I was in heaven I would regret my decision and God would not be happy with my decision either.

There can be a lot of causes for the illness type of depression. To my very rudimentary understanding, it's basically a hormone balance thing. It gets to be too much and you're not thinking clearly in that state of mind...you can't, it's like something is controlling you. (Who wants to go through life feeling like that all the time? If you could change it, you definitely would. When by the grace of Goku I finally got out of it, I was terrified that it would happen again.) You can't help being in mental pain anymore than you can help being in physical pain, even if better choices beforehand might have prevented either. (And the brain processes both types of pain in the same place.) Someone can be in so much physical pain that they feel like they can't bear it and might temporarily wish to die to get out of it, right? Mental pain can be like that, too, except it's over a longer period of time usually.
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You are wise youngster. After my best friend was blown to pieces I killed every Viet Cong I could and drunk, i fought just to relieve the mmental pain for the moment. When I, in my nightmares, find his head I cry so hard i wake me and my wife up. That is the ppain I wanted over and done with when I volunteered to go back to 'Nam to die.

People that have never felt that pain, have not, even, a clue.
 
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