Roro1972
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http://www.wsmv.com/story/26320134/dyer-county-student-reportedly-suspended-after-saying-bless-you
It seems they will go to any length.
It seems they will go to any length.
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supended for saying "Bless You"
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We have no way of knowing for sure what really happened but my gut feeling is that there is more to this story. It could very well be that the student didn't just casually offer a blessing to the other student for sneezing but knowing the teacher was perhaps sensitive to her own religious views or lack thereof, used the opportunity to blatantly flaunt hers by perhaps loudly proclaiming it to the point that she did disrupt the class.
I see similar things happen all too often and it does portray us Christians as self-righteous and arrogant. Case in point, in a recent thread there was a discussion about a situation where Oprah Winfrey was pitted against a group of Christians and at one point while a member of the Christian group was speaking she got applause for something she said and the beaming in her eyes gave away her apparent pride. In other words, she it was more important to her that she scored points in the argument than possibly being used by God to help another see the err' of her ways.
Matthew 6:1
"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them."
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men."
Matthew 6:16
“Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting."
I see similar things happen all too often and it does portray us Christians as self-righteous and arrogant. Case in point, in a recent thread there was a discussion about a situation where Oprah Winfrey was pitted against a group of Christians and at one point while a member of the Christian group was speaking she got applause for something she said and the beaming in her eyes gave away her apparent pride. In other words, she it was more important to her that she scored points in the argument than possibly being used by God to help another see the err' of her ways.
Matthew 6:1
"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them."
Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men."
Matthew 6:16
“Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting."
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I hear you on that one. Pardon my attempt at humor, Lewis. I know it is a serious thing because we are indeed loosing ground that has been given to us. That's not right.
I do know of a story that might serve to put a smile on your face though. Here, where I live, there is a pastor who is more feisty than many. Pastor Chuck. He's the pastor for a little local church that serves the homeless mostly. The Church on the Street.
My son had fallen into hard time (when he was a young man) and stayed in a shelter that was given him by this pastor. The facility was like a dorm room and there were other youth that stayed as well. When the police arrived one night to pound on their door, Pastor Chuck answered, shotgun in hand. Of course he did not point it and kept it safely crooked in his arm, but he answered the knocking of the police, gun in hand, and politely asked, "Do you have a warrant?"
They were not there for my son. They wanted to talk to another boy under the watch and care of the vigilant eye of Pastor Chuck. When the police replied in the negative he proceeded to ask the police to leave his property (rather forcibly) and told them they did not have his permission to remain.
Long story short? They left.
We do need more pastors who are good shepherds and who will do to any length (even laying down their own life) to protect the ones that our Father has given them. That's part of what I hear you saying here. Christianity does not mean timid nor does it mean "milk-toast". That whole passive nature thing? Jesus said that His followers would fight if that was what He wanted. We deny ourselves and wait and continue in patience but deep inside? There is no fear. If God is for us... but you already know this. Yes, Jesus is called the Lamb of God. It's also true that he is the LION of the Tribe of Judah. There is fire in His eye and our day is coming and is not far...
Salute!
Sparrow
I do know of a story that might serve to put a smile on your face though. Here, where I live, there is a pastor who is more feisty than many. Pastor Chuck. He's the pastor for a little local church that serves the homeless mostly. The Church on the Street.
My son had fallen into hard time (when he was a young man) and stayed in a shelter that was given him by this pastor. The facility was like a dorm room and there were other youth that stayed as well. When the police arrived one night to pound on their door, Pastor Chuck answered, shotgun in hand. Of course he did not point it and kept it safely crooked in his arm, but he answered the knocking of the police, gun in hand, and politely asked, "Do you have a warrant?"
They were not there for my son. They wanted to talk to another boy under the watch and care of the vigilant eye of Pastor Chuck. When the police replied in the negative he proceeded to ask the police to leave his property (rather forcibly) and told them they did not have his permission to remain.
Long story short? They left.
We do need more pastors who are good shepherds and who will do to any length (even laying down their own life) to protect the ones that our Father has given them. That's part of what I hear you saying here. Christianity does not mean timid nor does it mean "milk-toast". That whole passive nature thing? Jesus said that His followers would fight if that was what He wanted. We deny ourselves and wait and continue in patience but deep inside? There is no fear. If God is for us... but you already know this. Yes, Jesus is called the Lamb of God. It's also true that he is the LION of the Tribe of Judah. There is fire in His eye and our day is coming and is not far...
Salute!
Sparrow
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Gary
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The girl didn't miss any classes, only the remainder of the class she was in at the time. (less than an hour)
She knew the rules regarding words or phrases that were not allowed in that class and she chose to push the envelope.
She broke 2 rules that day.
1 Peter 2
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh.
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
But that's just my opinion.
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She knew the rules regarding words or phrases that were not allowed in that class and she chose to push the envelope.
She broke 2 rules that day.
1 Peter 2
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh.
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
But that's just my opinion.
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Lewis
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Gary c' mon with that man,
Gary
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The problem is that "bless you" isn't a religious statement. It started out that way, but so did "good bye" (derived from "godbwye", which was a contraction of "God be with ye"). Even my dad, who is a militant atheist, says "God bless you" when somebody sneezes (and doesn't even leave out "God").
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WIP It seems like there is more to this story. As really if you ask me or anybody, saying bless you is wanting to wish you a blessed day. Or what have you such a positive thing. But really there is a lot worse to say that can get you suspended or banned. If you know what I mean!
Did Jesus protest?
Did He pay taxes to Rome. Was Rome righteous?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Would obeying those God put over them have applied to Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego? What was the consequence of disobedience? Lions and fire? Prayerfully that young woman is a believer, and God stands with her in the fire.
Did He pay taxes to Rome. Was Rome righteous?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Would obeying those God put over them have applied to Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego? What was the consequence of disobedience? Lions and fire? Prayerfully that young woman is a believer, and God stands with her in the fire.
Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did obey those Yhwh put over them, until they could not obey Yhwh and those over them at the same time - then they obeyed Yhwh, and willingly accepted without resisting the penalty from the authorities for disobeying the authorities Yhwh had put over them.
elsewhere it is also written, i think "without resisting" Yhwh's people are put to death ... ... ..
elsewhere it is also written, i think "without resisting" Yhwh's people are put to death ... ... ..
Do you believe this young girl could not obey the rules?
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I seem to recall Jesus accepted being murdered.
Not saying we shouldn't stand up, but this girl could have stopped it early with one comment.... "Yes, ma'am."
it doesn't matter - she broke the rules, then used "man's rules" instead of obedience to Yhwh to defend her action.
"Student reportedly suspended after saying 'Bless you'
Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:58 PM EDT Updated: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:43 AM EDT
By Michael Clark - email
DYER COUNTY, TN -
(WMC) – A young girl, who claims she was standing up for her religious beliefs in the classroom, was suspended after breaking a class rule of saying "bless you" after a classmate sneezed.
When Dyer County High School senior Kendra Turner said bless you to her classmate, she says her teacher told her that was for church.
"She said that we're not going to have godly speaking in her class and that's when I said we have a constitutional right," said Turner."
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BOY! You called it here, Follower. That fairly serious faux pas kind of knocks the props out from under her "righteous" stance.
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What I'm suggesting is that it may not have been the specific words she used that resulted in her suspension but more likely the manner in which she used them. The words "bless you" are hardly disruptive to anyone. But how we use those words or any phrase can certainly be a problem or a blessing.
Did she really intend to offer a sincere blessing to the one who sneezed or was her heart intent on stirring the pot, calling attention to herself, or poking at the teacher?
Consider how two friends may talk to each other. The words they use can often times be very vulgar and aggressive to those outside their friendship but to them it is just their way of communicating and it could even be in jest but if those same friends addressed another person in the same way they could end up with a fist in the mouth.
A good example of what I mean is demonstrated in the movie "Grumpy Old Men." The way Jack London and Walter Matthau hammered back and forth on each other one would think they were mortal enemies but the truth was they loved each other and their bantering was just their way. If they were to address another person in the same way it could have been taken much worse.
Another example is one time as I was leaving work I told a coworker to have a nice weekend. He responded, "Don't tell me what kind of weekend to have!" His response can come across in a couple ways. Was he being serious and grumpy or was he just being funny? You had to be there to realize he was being facetious.
Incidentally, since he retired I have adopted his response and use it from time to time in fun.
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If you take another look at the video in the OP, you'll see a list of banned words written on the whiteboard Among the words and phrases listed is "bless you". The words themselves are banned. What surprised me most about the list was that the phrase "I don't know" is banned. Doesn't this teacher realize that she works in a school where students come to learn precisely because they don't know?
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