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[jasonc]

my point is it equally niave to assume that doctors are greedy and that natural doctors wont become greedy.

 

[jasonc]

oh and i believe in both if they work. so don't try that on me. im a realist, not an idealist. the world is under a curse of death , the earth and all that is therein will die out sooner or later if god doesn't intervene.

 

[jasonc]

read the links, or just the titles - the radiation was the cause of killing their thyroid. what happened before that might or might not have been fixed.

something caused your wife's thyroid to go bad. it didn't just happen. doesn't mean you or anyone else could find out what it was.
others look into it, for years, searching, seeking, testing, and find out what happened, then fix it.

choose life or death. Yhwh gives those 2 options(usually?/always?/sometimes?/never?).

the talmud is death. it is opposed to Yhwh and opposed to Yeshua.

what type of radiation? i live near a nuke plant. those are rather radio emmitive.

 

[jasonc]

so who assumed anything ?

you by implication say that they to include the fda. so what would ensure that the stuff does indeed cure. here and this is from a natural medicine type. i have articles from them before.http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Most-Herbal-Remedies-For-Depression-Dont-Work&id=1721481

 

[jasonc]

show me in this chapter where GOD says these are cures?if god says that and those cure and prevent any disease fully.kindly explain death for the saint? what causes it?
keep in mind TOG is kosher. and makes no such claim as you.
Leviticus 11.

 

[follower]

show me in this chapter where GOD says these are cures?if god says that and those cure and prevent any disease fully.kindly explain death for the saint? what causes it?
keep in mind TOG is kosher. and makes no such claim as you.
Leviticus 11.

what claim did i make ?

 

[jasonc]

whoever trusts man or / including the fda/ us government/ Yhwh curses. everybody chooses who they trust.(i guess)(maybe some/most don't know they can trust Yhwh)
in china they* have cured hep c for thousands of years. and thyroid problems. and didn't have heart disease until fast food moved there.

*barefoot doctors. (not necessarily official state approved doctors; maybe maybe not)

i didn't try to imply anything and didn't say i did. radiation kills thyroids unnecessarily, frequently according to peoples testimonies who were never given options, and others who were and recovered. just like other areas of malpractice.

thou shall not bear false witness. show me what type of radiation. the amount of exposure and rads/millirads? china, the country that makes the natural remedies and sells them? china uses something you call a sin. its called acupuncture. i have done some of that. most of the natural cure types push zen/ yoga and that and herbs.yet the bible doesn't. not that those are wrong, but tai -chi etc is from china and has some weird claims. acupuncture has some of that. so trusting in men? uhm ok so what saved Chinese person made the claim and whom verified it? trust in man? so i can break speeding laws? and other laws/ after all those are from MAN.

 

[jasonc]

so you don't believe that if one never eats bad food that one wont get sick? odd you imply that. that food and proper diet are a cure. by extension most say that means no sickness. .

what claim did i make ?

hep c is caused by a virus.

 

[follower]

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Exodus 15:26 He said, "If you listen carefully to the LORD ...
I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; ... Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return to the LORD: for he has torn, ...

Deuteronomy 7:15 The LORD will keep you free from every ...
... or remove them when come: and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt which thou ... The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate ....

None of These Diseases: The Bible's Health Secrets for the ...
The classic None of these Diseases has been updated once again.

 

[follower]

so you don't believe that if one never eats bad food that one wont get sick? odd you imply that. that food and proper diet are a cure. by extension most say that means no sickness. .
hep c is caused by a virus.

i don't remember and can't find by searching that i ever said hep c is a virus.
so please do tell again what claim i made.

then, if you have a few years, or even 3 weeks, get on the internet or go to a health food store with a library they let you read , and read how many clinics and doctors and scientists,
including the untied states licensed ama doctors,
showed that almost all disease is caused by diet. once you can realize that, the rest is comparatively easy.

i don't think i implied anything. did you read what Yhwh says ?

 

[jasonc]

you don't appear to be understanding.
stick with what Yhwh says. that will help a lot. (the people cured worldwide are published on the web - look it up if you want to know. it explains why and how and where they were cured.)
(in line with Yhwh's Word)

Exodus 15:26 He said, "If you listen carefully to the LORD ...
I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; ... Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return to the LORD: for he has torn, ...

Deuteronomy 7:15 The LORD will keep you free from every ...
... or remove them when come: and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt which thou ... The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate ....

None of These Diseases: The Bible's Health Secrets for the ...
The classic None of these Diseases has been updated once again.

thanks, when im sin free then i will judge thee cause i can. theres is one person who can make that claim. im not HIM. that is jesus. so that is your claim. thought so. YOU have no credibility with me then per that and this

there's other natural Yhwh provided ways for prevention of problems. or, just do what "they say" and keep having problems. that's the difference.
every surgeon cuts for money. there might be an exception somewhere. Yhwh knows.

uhm jesus said of the blind man that he didn't sin that did cause his blindness. so what cause that for that man? the curse of creation and that was allowed for God's glory. you are taking the torah to apply to saints. it really doesn't in that form. it does with the simplicity of jesus. if sin is the cause of illness. what sin did the doctors have that cause them to get ebola? they got in the line of service for the LORD!

 

[jasonc]

i don't remember and can't find by searching that i ever said hep c is a virus.
so please do tell again what claim i made.

then, if you have a few years, or even 3 weeks, get on the internet or go to a health food store with a library they let you read , and read how many clinics and doctors and scientists,
including the untied states licensed ama doctors,
showed that almost all disease is caused by diet. once you can realize that, the rest is comparatively easy.

i don't think i implied anything. did you read what Yhwh says ?

again, make a claim that you can back up. hep c is virus. i know two men who have it and one is saved. he will not die from it. just cant drink and has to watch foods and has to be careful about certain things that can spread it. the cure is there. interferon. and a liver transplant.

so how can i believe you if you don't know what hepatitis c is?

 

[Kathi]

Good grief! 2

It would be nice if you explained your 2

 

[follower]

again, make a claim that you can back up. hep c is virus. i know two men who have it and one is saved. he will not die from it. just cant drink and has to watch foods and has to be careful about certain things that can spread it. the cure is there. interferon. and a liver transplant.
so how can i believe you if you don't know what hepatitis c is?

your really confused i guess. where did i claim that hep c is a virus (you said i made that claim, but i don't remember it or see it anywhere but in your posts). after that we can move on to what actually cures it.

 

[jasonc]

claim that it has a cure naturally and doctors wouldn't use it. and also that man per the posts i have copied of yours that say that man can be disease free if he is sin free. which we know that isn't possible. god never said we wouldn't get sick and die, nor did he say that to the jews. the diseases there listed in context are the plagues of Egypt. that was a promise to isreal. you aren't a Hebrew. it doesn't apply to you. you forgot that if you are going to take that in context to list the sins and the whole torah is mentioned to include animal offerings. jesus took that curse for us!

 

[follower]

claim that it has a cure naturally and doctors wouldn't use it. and also that man per the posts i have copied of yours that say that man can be disease free if he is sin free. which we know that isn't possible. ..... jesus took that curse for us!

good! thank you! (finally!)
now, if you want to, you can go to a chiropractor and find out what to do for hep c. some know, some don't know. no guarantees from them.
also, if you want to , you can believe that Yeshua took that curse for us! (yes, that is very good and it is what Scripture says) (i guess. we'll see shortly if you answer below).
also, you don't have to believe that man can be disease free if you don't want to. that's your choice.
also, you don't have to believe that anything can be cured if you don't want to, that's your choice.
also, btw, the posts i copied that you refer to are just titles of posts from a quick k9 web search. i have no idea who put those web pages online or what is in the body of them - it was just to show you something in the moment which a deaf person can see clearly.

also, there are various times or seasons or whatever when Yhwh told His people that , if they obeyed Him, none of these diseases would be put upon them. take that for what you want - seek Yhwh for His reason or purpose or plan. Yhwh did not lie. Yhwh does not lie.

now, as you said, Yeshua took that curse for us. what did you mean (yes, i know you said Jesus not Yeshua).
do you mean Yeshua took the curse of disease for us ?

 

[TOG]

show me in this chapter where GOD says these are cures?if god says that and those cure and prevent any disease fully.kindly explain death for the saint? what causes it?
keep in mind TOG is kosher. and makes no such claim as you.
Leviticus 11.

I believe that it is God who has given us the intelligence and ability to understand what causes diseases and how to cure them. God cures diseases using various means, including medications, surgery and other medical methods. Healthy eating habits, getting enough exercise and generally living a healthy lifestyle will prevent many illnesses, but it sometimes takes more to treat or cure them. But even when we use drugs, it is ultimately God who is the healer, since He gave us the ability and the raw materials to make the drugs.

The TOG​

 

[Lewis]

I believe that it is God who has given us the intelligence and ability to understand what causes diseases and how to cure them. God cures diseases using various means, including medications, surgery and other medical methods. Healthy eating habits, getting enough exercise and generally living a healthy lifestyle will prevent many illnesses, but it sometimes takes more to treat or cure them. But even when we use drugs, it is ultimately God who is the healer, since He gave us the ability and the raw materials to make the drugs.

The TOG​