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Teaching Christianity to Children

God&DogGirl

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I said in my intro thread that I have different views on Christianity while believing all the basics. But here's where I'm really starting to feel strongly about an issue. Children in Christian homes. It might look like a great thing but below the surface, in some cases growing up in a Christian home can damage your faith.

I'll use my own story for example. I grew up Christian. I was dedicated to Christ within a month of my birth. Old home movies show my parents reading the story of Christmas from the Bible to me when I was as young as 1. And by age 6 I could quote the beginning of Matthew (skipping the genealogies of course). I attended Sunday School every single week, listened to Psalty, the Donut Man, and GT all the time, and grew up loving Adventures in Odyssey (I'm 20 and I still love it, actually). But let me tell you, the church we went to had the worst, most damaging kid's program I have ever seen and I've worked with kids.

From Sunday School in the morning to evening Awana, we were taught all the stories, required to memorize verses, and were expected to do crafts and play sports. Sounds good, doesn't it? Maybe to some but it was a nightmare for me. I have severe ADD which causes me to have a very difficult time connecting to other people my age. And undiagnosed ADD at age 6 was simply disasterous. The leaders ignored the mean comments, the eye rolling, and the gossiping about me, how I wasn't good at anything, how I was weird, how I was stupider than them (bizarrely enough, I actually have a pretty high IQ with ADD treatment). The teachers expected me to sit in my seat and be quiet while she read the stories and did discussions. And if it was boring, it was absolute torture (I don't have the hyperactive ADD but I do have difficulty sitting still and focusing in settings like that). I had Sunday School teachers give me lectures on my behavior, inform me I was being stupid and disruptive on purpose, that my lack of talent in athletics was actually insolence and laziness. That I was terribly behaved. 12 years in that church and not one leader ever paid me a compliment (in my memory, anyway). But I got my share of lectures and even insults from them. Awana was even worse on my ADD. Imagine trying to memorize verses with physically impaired concentration skills. It's like trying to memorize an entire Shakespearean play in one week. It just can't be done. And those leaders were downright nasty to me if I spent longer reciting verses than the other kids or if I forgot too often. If we were playing games, I was a slow runner and the kids would taunt me. Kids do that but when leaders don't stop them and even sink to the level of backing them up... WOW!

So now I've given you my story, isn't it a surprise that when I hit teenage years I remained a Christian? It terrifies me to think of thousands of kids were dragged to church by parents who didn't want to hear about why they didn't want to go stop going to church because Christianity was pounded into their heads so sharply. Why are there regulations about teachers in schools and what they're not supposed to allow but anything goes in the church?

Anyway, that's my little debate. Please, discuss!
 
For children to learn about the love of the Lord Jesus is a good and very valuable thing.

In principal, that is.
 
No matter how hard it is for the children, they must learn the bible and they must believe it. As Jesus says in Mark 16:16 (KJV) "he that believeth not shall be damned."
 
God&DogGirl, welcome!

Sounds as if your church focused so much on the mechanics, they forgot the essentials. If I speak with the tongue of men and of angels but have not love...

It's of paramount importance that Christians teach their children, not only what the bible teaches, but why the bible teaches it and to raise our children understanding that "the greatest of these is love".

Sad, very sad testimony. :shame
 
I was dedicated to Christ within a month of my birth.
How is that possible?

Unless you mean the commendable training of children in the things of God as Christian parents are commanded, it is impossible for an infant to dedicate oneself to Christ.

About Christian teaching, it is wonderful to make sure that children learn the word. Their little minds can memorize things we older folk have trouble with!

Isaiah 59:21 NLT
And this is my covenant with them,” says the Lord. “My Spirit will not leave them, and neither will these words I have given you. They will be on your lips and on the lips of your children and your children’s children forever. I, the Lord, have spoken!



Psalm 119:11 NLT
I have hidden your word in my heart,
that I might not sin against you.
 
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Hi GodAndDogGirl;

You sound like a very practical Christian. We need more like you!

Your post is a good eye opener and goes along with another thread started by Mike here: http://www.christianforums.net/f15/already-gone-teens-abandoning-faith-35420/ about churches losing teens. In that thread I mentioned that, at least in my church, our pre teens seem to be pretty well taken care of, but have to admit I probably haven't looked at it closely enough. You make some very good and valid points about our ministries to our children that should be looked at and taken seriously by anyone involved with them.

I'm wondering, in light of Mikes thread, what were your experiences like once you were a teen? Was it any better? Did you attend youth group activities or Bible studies at all after your earlier experiences? Or, worse yet, were you just forced to go?

You asked about why there are no regulations for those who teach in churches, such as there are for those who teach in public schools. Having been involved in church leadership in a number of positions, I can attest that this is a real problem in our churches. At least in the ones I have seen.

When it comes to teaching our kids how to read or write, there is a ton of qualifications and scrutiny that the teacher has to measure up to before they are allowed to teach. But when it comes to teaching our kids about God, church leadership tends to see a potential teacher's willingness to volunteer as about the only qualification needed. It is truly hypocritical for us (church leaders) to go around telling everyone how important God is to us, but put so little importance on how we choose those who teach in our churches. Generally, the decision to have padded or unpadded seats in the sanctuary involves far more discussion and arguing than picking the person that will influence the future spiritual lives of our children!

DogGirl, I truly hope your story will have some effect on someone in a position to make a difference. I for one will be quoting you (if that's alright) because I am currently involved in discussions on this topic with leadership.
 
So now I've given you my story, isn't it a surprise that when I hit teenage years I remained a Christian?

Not really a surprise, but rather an affirmation that Jesus indeed does loves the little children (inspite of adults being insensitive)!

Just think, having to endure your experience you STILL had a foundation that kept you in His arms. What a mighty God we serve!!

I too raised all five my children in a "Christian" home from birth. Not because I was raised in one, but more so because because I wasn't. All are adults now with families of their own. Though daddy and mommy now aren't in a position to "make them" go to church (more importantly, go to the "God" of the Church) they have a foundation of knowing good from evil (not to memntion the Lord Himself).

My "newfound" concern is this (in general with Children's Church): I have a grandson who is three years old and hearing impaired. How dow we (in a church setting) commuincate the things of God to them? My heart aches.

This summer I'll (prayfully) begin a new degree focusing on Interpreting for the hearing impaired for the sole purpose communicating the things of God (especially the children). But still, I cry.

Anyway, it's not so much "should we" teach Christianity to the children, but rather, "How?!"


Be blessed, Stay blessed!
 
No matter how hard it is for the children, they must learn the bible and they must believe it.

But what if it's extra extra hard for them? If they have disabilities like I have that makes memorizing the Word extremely difficult? And sitting still during a lesson difficult too? I have two brothers and one has Asperger's Syndrome and the other has worse ADD than I do (I'm the normal one, if you can believe it, which is probably why it took my parents 20 years to realize there was something wrong with me... but that's a discussion for later).

About Christian teaching, it is wonderful to make sure that children learn the word. Their little minds can memorize things we older folk have trouble with!

Again, unless they are like me and have unmedicated, undiagnosed disabilities. Then it's REALLY REALLY hard, take my word for it. And to answer your question, when babies are born at that church, the parents make a promise in front of the church to raise him/her for Christ.

I'm wondering, in light of Mikes thread, what were your experiences like once you were a teen? Was it any better? Did you attend youth group activities or Bible studies at all after your earlier experiences? Or, worse yet, were you just forced to go?

Forced to go. In 10th grade, this REALLY boring guy took over Sunday School and it was nothing but torture. He and I had theological differences in opinion and when I tried to address them, he told me I was wrong and to stop arguing (arguing?? for asking a simple question??). Then when he found out I didn't like him and my parents knew I didn't like him, he and his family got all defensive and thought I had mental issues. As a matter of fact, I can't look him in the eye anymore, he makes me furious. Fortunately I'll be leaving that church soon.

Then there was a married couple with two sons who taught the class. The wife got VERY defensive when I said I was having a hard time with my family. My family is NOT close and apparently it's a sin in the church not to be all chummy with your family. That offended the heck out of me and at one point I started crying and she told me she would pray that "I would be able to apologize for my wrongs and that my family would forgive me." Like it was all my fault that I had issues with them (not saying it wasn't my fault but for goodness sake, I certainly wasn't the only one in the wrong). Then when I asked for prayer for my dog, she scoffed at me and said we only pray for people. I'm sorry, I thought God cared about His living things? He put my precious spaniel Gracie in my life at exactly the right time and He's worked through her love and devotion to me so many times so it offends me when people say she's not worth anything. She's worth something to me, therefore, I think she's worth something to God.

So how did I not stray? Actually I have no idea. My faith is pretty bad at best. I never had a spiritual leader to look up to, just a few zealous Christians who treated me like I was somehow below them.

Wow I didn't mean that to come out so negatively. But the church has been the source of more pain than good. Which is why, now, I'm starting to feel like my faith is like an abusive boyfriend. When I believe it and do what it says (i.e. go to church) I get spiritually beat up. But my fear of having nothing to believe in makes me go back. So I keep going and keep getting hurt. Which is why I'm actually thinking about staying home on Sundays. Maybe find a place with a weekly small group meeting and not going to church at all. It might be a really good thing for me.

I love the message. And I would LOVE to have the faith described in the Bible! But church is really starting to wear me down.

Wow and I didn't mean to make this about me either. Sorry.
 
Wow and I didn't mean to make this about me either. Sorry.

What are you apologizing for? Being real? If we can't be real amongst Believer's, where can we be? Amongst Unbelievers? Scratch that. It's a rhetorical question as (relying on my experiences) I know the unfortunate answer.


Be blessed, Stay blessed!
 
I raised my children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, and brought them to church regularly. One has ADD.

Each child came to receive Jesus Christ as personal Saviour at age 7. As adults, one is serving Jesus as Lord with all her might. The other two are lukewarm, not having made Him Lord as yet..

My introducing them to the truth of Jesus Christ early in life by standing before the people and declaring my dedication to rearing them in Christ didn't cause them to be devoted to Christ then.


If I had to do it all over again, they'd be in a Christian school, which the church we belong to now has, and is well known for turning out dedicated Christian young adults who become esteemed workers of integrity in any field they pursue.
 
Wow I didn't mean that to come out so negatively. But the church has been the source of more pain than good. Which is why, now, I'm starting to feel like my faith is like an abusive boyfriend. When I believe it and do what it says (i.e. go to church) I get spiritually beat up. But my fear of having nothing to believe in makes me go back. So I keep going and keep getting hurt. Which is why I'm actually thinking about staying home on Sundays. Maybe find a place with a weekly small group meeting and not going to church at all. It might be a really good thing for me.
A couple of thoughts here, God&Dog

First, I think it's vitally important to understand that you need to focus your faith upon Jesus Christ...not on a church, not on your family, not on anything else.

Jesus Christ is not, repeat NOT! an "abusive boyfriend". If you have an "abusive boyfriend" (and I'm not doubting you) then understand that you have focused your faith on fallible humans (which is what the church is) and not Jesus Christ.

Secondly, the Church is an oddity...yes, we are all One Body of Christ...and yet, there are so many different local churches out there, some good, some great, some so bad that one can hardly understand how they can be a church at all...and some that are apostate and heretical and truly are NOT a church.

Thirdly, I think you need to focus on what your needs are, rather than on how "bad" church is....I would imagine that there are hundreds of thousands of active Christians who can give wonderful testimonies of Awana and of growing up in church. That you cannot is valid, I'm not at all questioning the validity of what you're saying, but it doesn't mean that Church is "bad".

For you, with your background, perhaps a good weekly study with a smaller group of committed Christians who understand your learning issues and background would be quite helpful...but I would suggest approaching it with the attitude of learning what Church should, can, and for a lot of places is, rather than allowing bitterness of your past experience keep you from the Body that, as a Christian, you are a part of.

Think of it this way: If one has been with an abusive boyfriend, then one needs to separate him from one's life, get some cousiling on what a healthy relationship is, then move to a healthy relationship and marriage. This is much better than being 80 years old, alone, lonely, bitter and saying "Oh, I had a boyfriend once, boy I never made that mistake again...I remained single for the rest of my days." Yeah, remaining single might have made certain to never be abused again...but then one missed out on life abundant, which is what God promises us.

Again, Jesus is never an "abusive boyfriend" and He and He alone should be the object of your faith....perhaps a smaller bible study will help bring this realization home to you.

I hope this helps, I'm writing this as I'm getting supper ready so I'm sort of going back and forth.
 
You're probably right. Jesus Christ isn't an abusive boyfriend. The churches I've been to kinda are. And yes I've been in that situation (didn't last long and I know I'll never do anything that stupid again). But if I can't share my struggles and faith with other Christians, I mean, how am I going to learn? I've got lots of stuff I need to do, I mean, I'm fairly sure I'm going straight to hell the second I die because despite my asking Christ to be my Lord and Savior, I simply cannot forgive some of the abusers of my past. I had a pretty abusive childhood, not as much by my parents but in some ways it was because they led me right into the abuse without listening to me or letting me leave. I begged for years to leave awana... and they sent me right back. I told them again and again I hated it, that the kids were mean, they didn't listen, they just sent me right back? My emotional health apparently meant less to them than their status as awana parents. And I'm not even going to go into the stuff they put me through in school and their view of me as their "least important" child because I was the most normal. I wasn't allowed to have problems because my brothers had so many so I had to hold them in for almost 16 years. And now they're exploding out and my parents act like I'm just being difficult on purpose.

So Christian homes? I'm not so sure they're such a good thing after all. I mean, I'm still struggling with believing God loves me as much as everyone else... or at ALL. Mainly because I don't really know what that's like. But that's what He's teaching me through my dog because she and I have a special relationship. When I'm crying, she hops in my lap and sometimes licks my tears away. When I'm laughing, she gives me this goofy little growl which seems to be her version of laughter. She hugs me when I'm home from work and hides under my bed when she's scared of something. So I know God is really showing me His love. But a part of me wants to know why He's using a dog, not a human.

I mean, that's why I'm here, to salvage what's left of the pieces of my faith. And good grief, I just joined today, I'm doing that whole venting thing again. I guess it goes along with the topic.

THIS is what can happen if you raise your kids Christian and don't pay attention to what they're REALLY being taught. Don't let your kids end up like me!!! ;)
 
A couple of thoughts here, God&Dog

First, I think it's vitally important to understand that you need to focus your faith upon Jesus Christ...not on a church, not on your family, not on anything else.

Jesus Christ is not, repeat NOT! an "abusive boyfriend". If you have an "abusive boyfriend" (and I'm not doubting you) then understand that you have focused your faith on fallible humans (which is what the church is) and not Jesus Christ.

Secondly, the Church is an oddity...yes, we are all One Body of Christ...and yet, there are so many different local churches out there, some good, some great, some so bad that one can hardly understand how they can be a church at all...and some that are apostate and heretical and truly are NOT a church.

Thirdly, I think you need to focus on what your needs are, rather than on how "bad" church is....I would imagine that there are hundreds of thousands of active Christians who can give wonderful testimonies of Awana and of growing up in church. That you cannot is valid, I'm not at all questioning the validity of what you're saying, but it doesn't mean that Church is "bad".

For you, with your background, perhaps a good weekly study with a smaller group of committed Christians who understand your learning issues and background would be quite helpful...but I would suggest approaching it with the attitude of learning what Church should, can, and for a lot of places is, rather than allowing bitterness of your past experience keep you from the Body that, as a Christian, you are a part of.

Think of it this way: If one has been with an abusive boyfriend, then one needs to separate him from one's life, get some cousiling on what a healthy relationship is, then move to a healthy relationship and marriage. This is much better than being 80 years old, alone, lonely, bitter and saying "Oh, I had a boyfriend once, boy I never made that mistake again...I remained single for the rest of my days." Yeah, remaining single might have made certain to never be abused again...but then one missed out on life abundant, which is what God promises us.

Again, Jesus is never an "abusive boyfriend" and He and He alone should be the object of your faith....perhaps a smaller bible study will help bring this realization home to you.

I hope this helps, I'm writing this as I'm getting supper ready so I'm sort of going back and forth.


Amen! Good post, handy. :waving
 
All right I'm moving the faith discussion over to the Christian Talk place and the teaching kids about Christ can now commence without my annoying intervention about my faith. Please continue.
 
GDG,

I had taken the grandkids to Sunday School.... I was Mothers day Sunday.... in a small town. The kind where everyone knows everything about everybody.


It was Mothers day so of course the project for the day was to make a Mothers Day card... I had two of the most upset grandsons one could have they called me into the class to get them..... Some how it slipped the mind of the teacher who knew very well my daughter had just left the boys walked away for the drug life....

I get what your saying

Please keep in mind You will not get better advise then what Handy gives you....
 
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