Teaching The devil's FIRST LIE FOR TRUTH!

[Elijah674]

Question: Did Adam have Immortality?

Question number two: Surely the whole Word of the Godhead with all the 'promises' which follow on past this Very Good Adam's creation, must start at mankind's beginning! (Perfect, unless one can somehow believe that the Godhead can be perfect Them/selves & create a 'faulty' creation! Compare Eze. 28:14-15) In other words we see in
2Pet.1 much 'promised' truth + Conditions which most always omit the conditions 'Inspired there'!

[1] Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:

[2] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[3] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

[5] And beside this, giving all diligence, [add to your faith] virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

[6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[8] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[9] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

OK: here is how the Arm of Flesh in our day, concludes Immortality or Immortal..

Webster's Dictionary concludes:
Immortal means one exempt from death
Immortality means the quality or state of being immortal

SO: Was Adam Immortal or not? And be careful of your answer, for you will either find that Eternal Life was Conditional from the start, or that is was not so! In other words, Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 + the EVERLASTING GOSPEL [[ALL NEED TO START WITH THIS REQUIRED CONDITION]]. You did not get that?? God gave the CONDITION TO MANKIND for anything else to follow, from the start! There is NO only believe unless this first CONDITION is OBEYED! NOTHING Promised can be claimed until this [CONDITION] IS ACCEPTED! No Acts 5:32 Born Again recreated life until His Inspiration [IS OBEYED!]

Now to just give Christ's Word for the Condition for Eternal Life of IMMORTALITY from here on: Gen. 2
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Again, if Adam had never disobeyed would he have ever died!)

And Gen. 3:17 is [Documentation] of Adams start after he sinned... did he still have Immortal life? and if he had never of sinned, did he have such? And if he did not now have Immortal Life what was the [Condition] for Immortal LIFE! (OTHER THAN THE [[[ONE]]] CONDITION OF OBEDIENCE FIRST! + then the eating of the Tree of LIFE)

[17] And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, [of which I commanded thee], saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
[18] Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
[20] And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
[21] Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
(and only [us] have non/conditional Immortality! 1 Tim. 1:14-15 + 1 Tim. 6:14-16)
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, [[[[and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever]]]
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

OK: You find for God where in THE BOOK (Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 again!) that His Word tells anyone that you can claim even one promise before Their Eternal Heb. 13:20 REQUIREMENT IS MET! OF OBEDIENCE!

--Elijah

 

[glorydaz]

The condition of obedience was met by Christ.
Perfect obedience which is more than man can ever do.

1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Our faith is counted for righteousness.

4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Our sins are covered by the blood.

7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

It was Christ's perfect obedience...His being delivered for our offences..raised again for our justification making us partakers of eternal life. He is the way, truth and the LIFE...in Him we have eternal life.

22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[Elijah674]

VERY TRUE! :yes

If one [IS IN HIM] there [IS NO CONDEMNATION]! Rom. 8:1 + the CONDITION seen of Rom. 8:14 of [BEING LED ]. And the ONLY way to be IN CHRIST is to be Born Again! And the Holy Spirit who INSPIRED the 'pen' of the whole BOOK is only given to them that yield up the STUBBORN WILL to Him! John 3:3, Acts 5:32

--Elijah

 

[glorydaz]

VERY TRUE! :yes

If one [IS IN HIM] there [IS NO CONDEMNATION]! Rom. 8:1 + the CONDITION seen of Rom. 8:14 of [BEING LED ]. And the ONLY way to be IN CHRIST is to be Born Again! And the Holy Spirit who INSPIRED the 'pen' of the whole BOOK is only given to them that yield up the STUBBORN WILL to Him! John 3:3, Acts 5:32

--Elijah

Yes, those who are born again obey the Spirit's leading...surrendering our will to Christ's.

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

We should never go before Him...He will prevent us from doing things we set out to do by our own efforts as well as lead us to do things we don't want to do. We don't always know why...we're to trust and obey.

And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily. 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.

 

[Geo]

And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily. 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.

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you found one of the references that expresses that the Holy Spirit has His own will.

there is a higher order to works righteousness : we must be sent. It's not enough to be willing to go.

 

[glorydaz]

And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily. 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.

you found one of the references that expresses that the Holy Spirit has His own will.

there is a higher order to works righteousness : we must be sent. It's not enough to be willing to go.

"Not my will but thine be done".
Man is quick to go before the Lord....our own amateur providence.
I've found, in our zeal to do good, we can actually frustrate God's purpose.
There is a "whoa" as well as a "go", and we need to heed both.

 

[Elijah674]

Old men dream dreams: Sent by dreams? This was for another site, but it might fit in under the devils 'First Lie'? (if not? just dump it!

Acts 2
[14] But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
[15] For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; (and Eccl. 3:15!)
[17] And it shall come to pass [in the last days,[ saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
+ Acts 3
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins [may be] blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

OK: I am not the melodramatic type of noise, emotion or excitement. But I am an Old-ster + a well/studied mostly Bible alone Believer. Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 finds this my spiritual diet with one of my Bibles (K.J.) very much highlighted from cover to cover.

Now: Around 130 PM this morning I was dreaming and awakened from my subconscious to the words of Jeff, Jeff, JEFF! (and 'i' ain't NO Jeff) I laid there and in my awakened mind there were many thoughts + Bible verses that went thought my mind. Such as old men dreaming dreams. And there was not much there except Jeff, Jeff, JEFF!

First off I have in my conscience & subconscious 1 John 3:4's Truth which is long past the leaving of Christ for His last WORK of being our High Priest in the Heavenly Throne Room, & then the sending back to us the Holy Spirit to lead me to this verse, of one of many.

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And Rom. 4:15!
[15] Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Another Truth. And then I will build on this conscience/subconscious 'thinking' from this early morning Impression.
Gal. 3
[18] For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[19] Wherefore then [serveth the law?] It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But LORD! You told me above that sin was the breaking of your Law! And that there can be NO Sin without the Transgression of [Your] Law! And NOW Paul is saying by your Eternal Gospel Word (Rev. 14:6) that the Law was ADDED BECAUSE OF SIN??? Two Laws then, you say! The Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenant one of Your Universe, because the other worlds of Heb. which are stated twice even, & the un/fallen angels all kept their first estate while satan & his fallen angels DID SIN which You say BROKE YOUR LAW! Isa. 8:20 + Exod. 20

And the other Law?? Deut. 31
[24] And it came to pass, when [Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book,] until they were finished,
[25] That Moses commanded the Levites, [which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD], saying,
[26] Take [this book of the law], and put it [in the side] of the ark [of the covenant] of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

And at this time we see the Children of Israel shortly given the Sanctuary Pattern of Heavens True Throne, and proceedings to follow! Psalms 77:13 + Heb. 8:5, Heb. 8:1-2, + Heb. 9's FINISHED recipe or blueprint to follow until the death of Christ. Called in verse 9-10 as [carnal ordinances]

Added! Surely the above were these Gal. 3:19's added [law] verses because of sin! But not this Eternal Law that has Eternally pointed out sin!

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Jeff?? [all Jeffs!] Who teach falsley that the Eternal 10 Commandment's that God Spake & then penned on two tables of stone & then recreated them IN the Born Again Heart & Mind of His Very Own, that they were only brought to view for the Children of Israel, and not ETERNITY?? They had best understand the
above verse on the N.T. side as they call it!

How could the Godhead find Lucifer & his following in sin without this above Truth with their teaching of NO LAW!?? [Impossible!] Then on down to Adam sin? Cain? And the 120 years of the Holy Spirit's Striving with Noah's Preaching of RIGHTEOUSNESS! NO LAW, NO SINN??????? And Sodom had NO Law or SIN??? And James was Inspired to pen James 2:8-12 for the breaking of any one of the ten has found one GUILTY OF BREAKING THEM ALL. A Law/Breaking Sinner! + The Children of Israel were tested with only the breaking of the Lord's 7day Sabbath finding in Exod. 16 for finding these Eternal Law Breaking Words.. 'And the Lord said unto Moses, How long [REFUSE YE TO KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND MY LAWS?'

OK: Lord, there it is, thy will be done. 1 John 4:5-6

--Elijah

 

[Geo]

While we're talking about satan's lies, how about this one:

"God will not really punish sin"

now some believe in the everlasting eternal covenant under the authority of the Holy Spirit,

others develop a kind of works righteousness bondage and apply Jesus commandments however and whenever They feel like. They see the world by establishing their own righteousness out of that authority of self, so in a subtle way they exchange obedience to God with obedience to a works righteousness and it's then their religious works by which they judge anyone being accepable to God.

If someone tries to beat you in such a system of self rightheousness it will lead to errors of great magnitude just like those who willfully reject God's gift of salvation. Those who attempt to appease God's demand for perfection by some other way than trusting in the righteousness of Christ, for these subtle deceived ones there awaits the terrors of hell also. Because they reject the final authority of God, and replaced it with their own.

It also leads to misunderstanding of God's grace and God's justice by denying any terrors of hell, of the exact reality our Lord Jesus Christ spoke about 70 times. There are over 160 references in the New Testament alone which warn of hell.

Subtle? Yes, but it is a perversion of grace and God's holiness, it's satan's grace that claims that God will not really punish sin.

there is no salvation in pagan-christianity nor in babylonian-christianity and their religious counterfeit spirits - Acts 16:18  And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

 

[Elijah674]

While we're talking about satan's lies, how about this one:

"God will not really punish sin"

now some believe in the everlasting eternal covenant under the authority of the Holy Spirit,

others develop a kind of works righteousness bondage and apply Jesus commandments however and whenever They feel like. They see the world by establishing their own righteousness out of that authority of self, so in a subtle way they exchange obedience to God with obedience to a works righteousness and it's then their religious works by which they judge anyone being accepable to God.

If someone tries to beat you in such a system of self rightheousness it will lead to errors of great magnitude just like those who willfully reject God's gift of salvation. Those who attempt to appease God's demand for perfection by some other way than trusting in the righteousness of Christ, for these subtle deceived ones there awaits the terrors of hell also. Because they reject the final authority of God, and replaced it with their own.

It also leads to misunderstanding of God's grace and God's justice by denying any terrors of hell, of the exact reality our Lord Jesus Christ spoke about 70 times. There are over 160 references in the New Testament alone which warn of hell.

Subtle? Yes, but it is a perversion of grace and God's holiness, it's satan's grace that claims that God will not really punish sin.

there is no salvation in pagan-christianity nor in babylonian-christianity and their religious counterfeit spirits - Acts 16:18  And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

???? Well then, what answers the thought of who lied, the devil or God???? It cannot be both ways with teaching an ETERNAL BURNING HELL.
--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

What Rev. 17:1 does not finish, her daughters of verse 5 will!

Just a couple Words from Christ's Inspired Word:
Rev.16
[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
[2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
[3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living [[soul]] died in the sea.

I guess you can see that even fish are a living soul before the die? And then that they are a DEAD soul!

Gen. 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man [[[became]]] a living soul.

And as the fish? take man's breath from him and he is a dead soul!

+ Psalms 146:4.. 'His BREATH GOETH FORTH'. & Job 33:40 'The [breath of the Almighty]hath given me [life].' & again Job27:3 'The spirit of God [in in my nostrils].'

OK: Spirit or breath if one has even been Born Again?? Eccl. 12:7 'the spirit shall return unto God that gave it.' (and these souls in the sea to, huh?)

And either way, where does that leave the dead soul? BRAIN DEAD! Psalms 146:4 again..

[3] Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
[4] His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

And Eccl. 9
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
[6] Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, [is now perished;] neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Even there we see PROBATION also over & the only thing from there on is DECIDED by the Lord's accurately kept RECORD BOOKS! Eccl. 12:13-14 + Rev. 20:12. (and what in the world are you teaching for truth!??)

[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, (even to be as these two of the Godhead who have Immortality) to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

(It does not take much 'Believing Faith' to understand that Adam + Eve only had [CONDITIONAL] Immortality, also re/read Eccl. 3:15 repeat.. for us! the Godhead could not let them continue on eating of the Tree Of Life as they [DOCUMENT] ..)

[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

It is interesting to take note of the today Rev. 17:1-5 ones. You birds hit me over the head repeatedly! Finally 'i' go into a coma, then comes along another & finishes me off DEAD, and now you all teach that I know everything!

And your 'hell' thing??

Jude 7
[7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

2 Peter 2
[6] And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha [into ashes] condemned them with an overthrow, [making them an ensample] unto those that after should live ungodly;

Ashes are still burning!? And an Example!? And an ETERNAL FIRE? Where is S.& G. still at with these Immortal burning Souls seen???

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

(first draft)

The Ending of Sinners is after the 1000 years of their Executional Stage of their judgement. See 1 Cor. 6:2-3.
So surely one can find TWO resurrection's needed, Righteous First & then the wicked to be slain in hell after this judgement.

Time/frame.. Acts 24:15 has 'a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust'. And Rev. 20:5 finds that 'The rest of the dead lived [not again until the thousand years were finished]'.

Also take note of who they are who are wicked? And this is called by Inspiration as the [Second Death]! And in the 'Lake of Fire' Rev. 20:9-14

Notice a couple places in the O.T. about where the repeat of Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl.3:15's 'Inspired pen' comes around in previous history! Prov. 11:31.. documents that ..
'Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: [[much more the wicked and the sinner.']]

And Job 21 tells the time/frame in verse 30!
[27] Behold, I know your thoughts, and the devices which ye wrongfully imagine against me. (that sounds like today, huh?)
[28] For ye say, Where is the house of the prince? and where are the dwelling places [of the wicked?]

[29] Have ye not asked them that go by the way? and do ye not know their tokens,
(Wow! just like today's heaven & hell teachers, always pasting up their Jer. 17:5 'desired'/ones false stuff! Again the Eccl.'s repeats!)

And Job believed the Word of God ALONE! His 'pen' was Inspired to say...

[30] That the wicked is reserved to the [day] of destruction? [they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.]

Yet is Christ Himself that did the [Documentation] of the Wheat & Tares in Matt. 13:38-40 with even the exact Truth for when this time [IN THE FUTURE] will be!

[36] Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
[37] He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; (+ his desires! Gen. 4:7) the harvest is the [end of the world;] and the reapers are the angels.

[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned [in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.]

[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And [shall cast them into a furnace of fire:] there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
[43] Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And Christ in Matt. 10 again Documented this Truth of how hot this hell/fire is..
[27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy [both soul and body in hell.]

And the effects of this executional stage of the eternally lost majority class?? Mal. 4:1-3 & Obad. 1:16 clearly tell the universe + satan & his bunch what their end will be.
Mal. 4
[1] For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
[2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
[3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Obad.
[16] For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

Again God [Documents] this as the [SECOND DEATH]! Rev. 20
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (see Jer. 4:22-27 for EXACT Eccl. 15 repeat!)
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(And this is God's Hell/Fire FINISH!)
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
(See Christs Word's of Luke 12:47-48 and I will comment on this in a moment about verse 10)

[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(Two class seen 1000 years apart. It documents that these are DEAD! Standing only by [Record Books of their WORKS!] See Eccl. 12:13-14)

[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Another to understand the above Word of 'ever and ever. In Exod. 21:2-6 we see this Word of 'forever' meaning only for as long as man lived and in Jonah 2 we see the same context of how long 'forever' means there including the repeat in the N.T. as you'ins like to call it. (about Christ) This is a very good chapter to see at what dept one can sink & God still hear the prayer in His Temple! But we want you'ins false teaching for how long 'forever' is, huh??
[6] I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
[7] When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

And God gave another place in Jude & 2 Peter being EXAMPLES + Sodom & Gomorrah not still BURNING as an Example, with ASHES as their END!

As silly as this verse is when one tries to garbage/tise it up with being taken literal, 'i' will post it up.
Mark 9:44
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Again!!!! FORUM, Read 1 John 4:6 + 2 Peter 3:16 [last part of the verse!]

OK:Jer. 17 we find this Word..
[27] But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, [and it shall not be quenched.]

And find the time/frame prophsied + when Jer. 52 came as a done first time prophesy, and surely a True Bible BELIEVER knows that Jerusalem [IS NOT STILL BURNING AS UN/QUENCHED].
Yet, Christ's Words in Mark are hammered over & over again as an eternal fact by 'some' something's! of Rev. 17:1-5.

And the only thing left in Jer. 19:6 valley of slaughter? Read verse 14-15! What was left was the the worm's of this dumping place of the dead., which see the last repeat on Mal. 4:1-3 & Obad. 1:16 above verses.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Where is Abe?

John 8
[52] Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
[53] Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Ok: Christ never told them that Abraham was alive! Huh?? (Christ never Lies, just satan in Gen. 3 does!! and his 'teachers'.)

Zech 1
[4] Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD.
[5] Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever?

Yet again, the one's seen in Luke 16's Parable is taught that he is in heaven & even the hell one, is taught against Gods Word!

Heb. 11

[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. ....

[12] Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

[13] These [[all d-i-e-d in faith, not having received the promises,]] but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

And again: The teaching that Luke 16 is not a Parable by the Rev. 17:5 ones is pure 'multitude BLINDNESS' at best! And as in the Rev. 17:5 verse, it is past/tense! Heb. 6:6. In other words, as seen in Gen. 6:3's STRIVING OF THE HOLY GHOST ALONG NOAH'S PREACHING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR 120 YEARS, ARE LONG PAST FOR THIS GARBAGE!

Just think of a loving Godhead eternally burning all sinners even now in a hell/fire which tortures both the unsaved that Christ states in Luke 12:47-48 who are not guilty of much (yet are guilty) right along with the most vile! And Christ tells there, who He finds the MOST VILE! These very ones with this devil's garbage!

And that is just one of their false stuff!

--Elijah