Terral

[JM]

Just wanted to apologize to Terral for the things I posted in frustration, it was unchristian and Terral didn’t deserve that. It didn’t take long before I realized how hateful I sounded and how hurtful I had been and for that I’m truly sorry. I also apologize to the rest of the forum for putting up with it, the pm’s I’ve received were encouraging and the silence from the mod’s was rebuking, it spoke louder then words as if to say, ‘you know better.’

After placing much stress on myself to reconcile what the Bible has to say about salvation with dispensational teachings, all the stress and frustration has come to a head this last week. With what I can only call an epiphany or relate it to the satori experience of the Zen monk, things fell into theological place for me. It’s not an emotional experience but a real, soul felt experience where things in the Bible seemed new once again and I returned to my first love…CHRIST!

Again, sorry for the trouble.

Be back soon, Deo valente,

JM

 

[Terral]

Hi JM:

JM >> Just wanted to apologize to Terral for the things I posted in frustration, it was unchristian and Terral didn’t deserve that . . .

This is really not necessary at all JM and I am happy that we settled our differences. Everyone here has blown a fuse in the past and at one time or another has stood in those shoes; I certainly have myself. I am just as guilty as you for egging the situation on, after you became frustrated, and I apologize also for my part. If you would like to delete this thread while there is still time, then we can put all of this behind us (remember we are supposed to do this using Private Messages). As the new guy I feel strange having threads bearing my name. : 0 ).

You present your cases using Scripture and I will present mine and let’s allow the chips to fall where they may. If I start acting up, then please PM me and smack me around a little bit. It is all good . . .

Your brother in Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[wavy]

I hope the same can occur between you and I also, Terral.

 

[Terral]

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. John 1:34, Rev. 2:18

Hi Wavy:

Thank you for writing.

Wavy >> I hope the same can occur between you and I also, Terral.

That will not be possible, Wavy. Those professing Jesus Christ as the “Son of God†(John 1:34, Revelation 2:18) are not welcome on this Board. The members here must be willing to replace “His God and Father†(Revelation 1:6) with the “Son of God†(Romans 1:4) or be banned. My posts must be written with member names from somewhere else, because Terral most certainly knows the difference between our “one God†AND our “one Mediator†Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5) as our Intercessor at the “right hand of God.†Romans 8:34. Terral must be cut off from posting here, before others start waking up to see that Jesus Christ is most certainly the "Son of God." John 1:34.

That means witnesses like John the Baptist and Peter (Matthew 16:16) and Paul (Romans 1:4) and Christ Himself (John 10:36, Revelation 2:18) could not be members here either.

But, thank you very much for the offer,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Free]

Those professing Jesus Christ as the “Son of God†(John 1:34, Revelation 2:18) are not welcome on this Board....Terral must be cut off from posting here, before others start waking up to see that Jesus Christ is most certainly the "Son of God." John 1:34

Where did you get that idea? The phrase "Son of God" is perfectly acceptable and every Christian member on here accepts it. The problem is that you are ignoring its clear implication. It implies equality with God and sharing in the nature of God.

Joh 10:31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?"
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods'?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be broken--
Joh 10:36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

Do you even see what this passage is saying? It is showing that the phrase "Son of God" as used of Jesus is tantamount to blasphemy in the eyes of the Jews because it means equaltiy with God.

The members here must be willing to replace “His God and Father†(Revelation 1:6) with the “Son of God†(Romans 1:4) or be banned.

Personally, I'm with Thomas:

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

Jesus is God, to believe otherwise is heresy of the worst kind.

 

[mutzrein]

Point of clarification please:

Who makes the decision as to what a heretic is?
And if one is deemed to be a heretic, can they be kicked off this board for that reason alone?

I'm a relatively new member and don't remember that as one of the rules.

Thanks

 

[earth]

Point of clarification please:

Who makes the decision as to what a heretic is?
And if one is deemed to be a heretic, can they be kicked off this board for that reason alone?

I'm a relatively new member and don't remember that as one of the rules.

Thanks

Heretic is anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with mods !!


:angel:

 

[Terral]

Admins And Mods Are King

Hi Free, Earth:

Thank you for writing.

Free >> Where did you get that idea? The phrase "Son of God" is perfectly acceptable and every Christian member on here accepts it. The problem is that you are ignoring its clear implication. It implies equality with God and sharing in the nature of God.

I get that idea from other Mods sending Formal Warnings for defending the “Deity OF GOD,†as in “His God and Father.†Revelations 1:6. How many “God’s†are there in your Bible? “one God†(1 Timothy 2:5) AND “one Mediator†Christ Jesus. Do the Math . . . While I disagree with the interpretations of your so-called ‘implications,’ I also will not write commentary against the views of any Moderator or Administrator on this fine Board. The responsibility of your position of authority here will not be challenged in any of my posts (you are ‘the man’ and Terral is NOT the man). If others are mislead by the inaccuracies of the combined Authority of this Board, then all of that is between you and God at the Judgment. That is the price of allowing Mods and Admins to actively participate in deciding content and direction of these threads. Freedom of speech only works if all are equal and members here are not equal to Mods or Admins. The Founders of this Board decided to place the final authority of these topics in your capable hands and they can live with the merits and pitfalls of that decision. If you find anything in my testimony that violates current COC guidelines, then please bring that to my attention in a Private Message and I will do my best to comply with all of your recommendations.

Earth >> Heretic is anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with mods !!

Bingo! It is far better to remain silent and appear wise in that situation. Mods are to stand in the neutral corner between Earth and Terral voicing their opposing views. The Admins are to keep their eyes on the Mods to ensure every member has the same opportunities to present their case on a level playing field. When the Mods jump onto either side of the Debate, then they are no longer “moderating†the discussion, but actively pushing one interpretation over another one. The Admin is supposed to pull the Mod back into the neutral corner and allow the discussion to proceed unhindered, but they jump into the debate as well.

That process reduces the membership, NOT into becoming second class citizens, but into the ‘third class’ position and subordinates of the first class Admins and the second class Mods. The problem is that when the Authorities are dead wrong, then everyone else must suffer under the same authority that is supposed to be protecting the rights of every individual ‘member.’ When a Mod addresses a member, then it should be over an infraction against the COC guidelines, under the auspices of the Admin as his authority. Debate over interpretations of Scripture should be between the registered ‘members’ of this Board, which elevates us all into the ‘first class’ position.

The problem with being a Mod in this situation is that none of the third class citizens around here are willing to point out the errors in your testimony and place themselves in the position of disagreeing with your authority. What happens when one of the lesser citizens here is right and you are wrong? And, one for whom Christ died is banned in the process? Wooo to the one standing in those shoes at the Judgment . . . I would rather be poked in the eye with a sharp stick . . .

Thank you again for writing,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Free]

Point of clarification please:

Who makes the decision as to what a heretic is?
And if one is deemed to be a heretic, can they be kicked off this board for that reason alone?

I'm a relatively new member and don't remember that as one of the rules.

Thanks

Heretic is anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with mods !!


:angel:

Careful earth, that is one of the things that can get you in trouble with the mods.

A heretic is anyone who holds unorthodox beliefs to a point at which they stray from Christianity altogether. We certainly tolerate a wide variety of beliefs in these forums, whether Christian or otherwise, as a casual glance would show.

Please note that my comment was not made as a mod but as a Christian. Orthodox Christianity teaches that Christ is God in human flesh and that to believe otherwise is heresy.

 

[Free]

Bingo! It is far better to remain silent and appear wise in that situation. Mods are to stand in the neutral corner between Earth and Terral voicing their opposing views. The Admins are to keep their eyes on the Mods to ensure every member has the same opportunities to present their case on a level playing field. When the Mods jump onto either side of the Debate, then they are no longer “moderating†the discussion, but actively pushing one interpretation over another one. The Admin is supposed to pull the Mod back into the neutral corner and allow the discussion to proceed unhindered, but they jump into the debate as well.

I'm not sure where you get these ideas from. On these forums the mods only step in as mods when the TOS are broken. Apart from that mods and admin are free to debate and add their views to the discussion the same as any other member. There should be no fear of debating mods, just don't break the rules (whether it's against mods or anyone else).

Debate over interpretations of Scripture should be between the registered ‘members’ of this Board, which elevates us all into the ‘first class’ position.

I am a member who also happens to be a mod which leaves everyone as "first class" persons on this board. If you prefer, I could log in under a new identity for debating, but it won't change what I have to say or how I say it. It would just get annoying and difficult to change faces everytime I want to debate and have to step in as a mod.

The problem with being a Mod in this situation is that none of the third class citizens around here are willing to point out the errors in your testimony and place themselves in the position of disagreeing with your authority. What happens when one of the lesser citizens here is right and you are wrong?

Again, there are no "third class citizens" and everyone is free to point out supposed errors in anything a mod says just as they are free to point out supposed errors in anything any member says. Mods' statements on theological issues are not binding on any member whatsoever. This is not a dictatorship.

However, as a Christian, I am called to uphold and defend right belief and I will do so to the best of my knowledge, inadequate as it is.

 

[Terral]

Thank You But No Thank You

Hi Free:

Thank you for writing.

Free >> However, as a Christian, I am called to uphold and defend right belief and I will do so to the best of my knowledge, inadequate as it is.

Your words are filled with kindness and the sincerity of a true Christian heart. Thank you very much for your assurances, if only every Mod here were as gracious as you. However, wisdom says not to pen one word of commentary against the interpretations any Moderator or Administrator on this Board. If Terral does anything wrong then please point that out and he will do everything to comply. Thank you again and have a nice day,

In Christ Jesus the Son of God,

Terral

 

[Vic C.]

Free speaks for me and I stand 100% behind everything he has said here.

This thread was meant for what I cosidered heartfelt public apology by Jason. Unfortunately some here had to jump in and toss their hat (ego) into the ring. This is not tag team WWF. The match is over. 8-)

Vic