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The 1st Day of Creation

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jasoncran said:
i can read buddy, i will say this openly, i ask for politeness from you to handy.

and i didnt believe in the trinity at all but was a jw for yrs. i came to christ and saw what the bible says. i know your entire argument from front to rear.
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Read your own words.

You have no reason to speak of politeness ;-(

And The Truth will be offensive to the implolite.
 
derowr said:
Sadly, it is so ;-(

Have you not seen that there were two Creations separate one from the other?

Cain new his wife because she was of that first Creation.
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So are you saying that there are two classifications for salvation?
 
The Word of Truth bears witness of two Creations.

Yet "the author of confusion" has had his way when he perverted the beginning and sadly the multitudes believe all his perverse lies in the end ;-(
 
The 1st Day of Creation
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Originally Posted by derowr
Sadly, it is so ;-(

Have you not seen that there were two Creations separate one from the other?

Cain new his wife because she was of that first Creation.

Nate here:
So are you saying that there are two classifications for salvation?

Elijah here:
You best do a study on what Knew his wife meant. Start with Adam
in Gen. 4:1 & then Cain in Gen. 4:17 + Gen. 4:25 [again!] And NO this word is not always used for intimacy, but 'most' can surely see that it is in these verses.

And your post of two creations with Eve?? that is in the wrong Bible! But we Love you just the same! Just not your 'false teachings'!


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elj: Your writing is in complete harmony with "the author of confusion", he who is also the author of the pagan catholic/christian systems of religion ;-(
 
derowr said:
Absolutely!

For The ONE and Only True GOD, Father of ALL, HE IS Creator of ALL!

"GOD Created all things by The Messiah"! (Eph 3:9)
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Nothing much slimier than a using the scriptures to cleave truth by half.:shocked!
 
derowr said:
The Word of Truth bears witness of two Creations.

Yet "the author of confusion" has had his way when he perverted the beginning and sadly the multitudes believe all his perverse lies in the end ;-(
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What are you talking about?

We can deduce from Scripture that God has created before this present world and outside of time, because we know there is a heavenly realm and creatures that live there.

That is all we can determine.
 
I think some editing has been done since I've last read this thread....I have a feeling that's for the best. Perhaps we can move forward with this discussion?


Genesis 1:1-3:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

John 1:3: All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

And why post additional scripture when that which was posted reveals The Messiah came into being on the 1st Day of Creation?

What was posted reveals that The Messiah was "The beginning of The Creation of GOD" just as was bore witness too in Revelations?

The ONE and Only True GOD spoke HIS Word into being ""Let There Be Light" and there was Light"!
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This thread has gotten a bit confusing, but I believe that you are saying that Jesus was created as the "Light" of Genesis 1:3. But, John (as well as other texts) shows that this cannot be the case, for the world was already in place prior to God's saying "Let there be light" (Genesis1:1-2)...and the world came into being through Jesus (John 1:3).

This does sound like either JW theology or Gap theology...
 
handy said:
I think some editing has been done since I've last read this thread....I have a feeling that's for the best. Perhaps we can move forward with this discussion?


Genesis 1:1-3:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

John 1:3: All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

This thread has gotten a bit confusing, but I believe that you are saying that Jesus was created as the "Light" of Genesis 1:3. But, John (as well as other texts) shows that this cannot be the case, for the world was already in place prior to God's saying "Let there be light" (Genesis1:1-2)...and the world came into being through Jesus (John 1:3).

This does sound like either JW theology or Gap theology...
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Whatever?:screwloose it is a waste of my time! Titus 3:9-11. I see only the good & the VERY BAD stuff being posted with no 'new babe' ones getting caught up with this JW stuff. And Heb. 6:6 does come into mind from my end?

--Elijah
 
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handy said:
I think some editing has been done since I've last read this thread....I have a feeling that's for the best. Perhaps we can move forward with this discussion?


Genesis 1:1-3:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

John 1:3: All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

This thread has gotten a bit confusing, but I believe that you are saying that Jesus was created as the "Light" of Genesis 1:3. But, John (as well as other texts) shows that this cannot be the case, for the world was already in place prior to God's saying "Let there be light" (Genesis1:1-2)...and the world came into being through Jesus (John 1:3).

This does sound like either JW theology or Gap theology...
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Amen Handy :thumbsup!

derowr why quote John 14:28 to try to make Jesus less than the Father?
John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved Me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: and the My Father is greater than I.
I will admit on the surface your arguement seems valid. But what did the writer of Hebrews say?
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (hebrews 1:4
In John, Jesus is speaking about is being made lower than the angels, and thus the Father because He took Human Flesh and would died for our sins.
God the Father did not created Jesus, and then everything else, He created everything by Jesus (Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:15-17 firstborn here is not speaking of creation, but of the new creatures, Christ makes us, as He was the First to raise from the Dead. Just as the beginning of Creation in Revelation 3:14 refers to the same creatures.

Hebrews 1:10 speaking of Jesus quotes Psalms 102:24-25, stating "... in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hand." Jesus laid the foundation, He was not part of the foundation.

But, yes Jesus is the light (Revelation 21:23) but by your way of thinking I guess the LORD GOD is also the beginning of Creation (Revelation 22:5).
 
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