The Absolute Equality of Jesus Christ With God The Father

[Butch5]

We don’t base our doctrinal belief upon creeds.


Jesus Christ is YHWH, the Lord God Almighty; Creator of heaven and earth. He is the only begotten Son of God.


He is equal to God the Father, but as any Son submits to their Father to honor them, so it is with the Son of God.



Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Philippians 2:5-6






JLB

Are you sure? Most Christians today would say that believing the 3 in 1 God idea is essential to being a Christian. That is a 5th century doctrine that comes from the Athanasian Creed. The idea comes from the Creed, not Scripture.

Again going back to what I said about the OP. Logic dictates that there cannot be multiple almighties. Only one can be almighty. If the ultimate power is shared by multiple beings then none is almighty because they don't have power over the others. Webster defines almighty as having complete power. If Jesus and the Fsther are equal neither has power over the other, thus neither has complete power.

 

[JLB]

The idea comes from the Creed, not Scripture.

Which is why I say we don’t base our doctrine off of creeds.

 

[JLB]

Most Christians today would say that believing the 3 in 1 God idea is essential to being a Christian.

I don’t presume to know what most Christians believe.

 

[JLB]

Logic dictates that there cannot be multiple almighties.

We don’t base our doctrine on human logic.

 

[Butch5]

We don’t base our doctrine on human logic.

If you think, you use logic.

 

[JLB]

If you think, you use logic.

I let the scripture renew my mind to the truth.

 

[Butch5]

I let the scripture renew my mind to the truth.

If you think, you use logic.

 

[JLB]

If you think, you use logic.

If we think independantly from a renewed mind, we will act contrary to God’s plan for our life.


Again, our doctrine should be built upon God’s word, not human logic.




JLB

 

[Butch5]

If we think independantly from a renewed mind, we will act contrary to God’s plan for our life.


Again, our doctrine should be built upon God’s word, not human logic.




JLB

There's no such thing as human logic. God created logic. Doctrine is either logical or it's wrong.

 

[JLB]

There's no such thing as human logic. God created logic. Doctrine is either logical or it's wrong.

God also created wisdom, but that doesn’t mean there is no such thing as demonic wisdom, or man’s wisdom.


Our doctrine should be based on God’s word, not human logic; a logic that prevents us from receiving the truth.




JLB

 

[Butch5]

God also created wisdom, but that doesn’t mean there is no such thing as demonic wisdom, or man’s wisdom.


Our doctrine should be based on God’s word, not human logic; a logic that prevents us from receiving the truth.




JLB

There's no such thing as human logic. Logic is the process if thinking correctly. Man didn't create that. It can't be modified. It's either right or wrong.

 

[JLB]

There's no such thing as human logic. Logic is the process if thinking correctly. Man didn't create that. It can't be modified. It's either right or wrong.

No such thing as human thinking?


What a strange thing to say.


Our doctrine should come from the word of God and not human logic, human reasoning nor human wisdom.





JLB

 

[jaybo]

There's no such thing as human logic. Logic is the process if thinking correctly. Man didn't create that. It can't be modified. It's either right or wrong.

Your post is illogical.

 

[Butch5]

No such thing as human thinking?


What a strange thing to say.


Our doctrine should come from the word of God and not human logic, human reasoning nor human wisdom.





JLB

I didn't say there wasn't human thinking. Thinking isn't logic.

 

[JLB]

I didn't say there wasn't human thinking. Thinking isn't logic.

You seem confused.


First you say, if you think you use logic.

Then you say thinking isn’t logic.

Then you claim there is no such thing as human logic.



Why don’t you post the scripture that uses the word logic so we can base our discussion in scripture, because you are talking in circles.





JLB

 

[Butch5]

You seem confused.


First you say, if you think you use logic.

Then you say thinking isn’t logic.

Then you claim there is no such thing as human logic.



Why don’t you post the scripture that uses the word logic so we can base our discussion in scripture, because you are talking in circles.





JLB

It's pretty simply. Logic is the process of reasoning properly. Thinking is a process of thought. I can think about going fishing. That is not logic. That is thinking. Logic is proper reasoning. There are laws of logic. The Law of noncontradiction for example. The law states that two opposing things cannot both be true at the same time. For instance, a glass cannot be both full and empty at the same time. That a glass cannot be full and empty at the same time is not a thinking process of man. It is the created order of God. God created the creation so that it follows these laws. They are not human laws, it's the created order. Humans reason. They can reason properly following the laws of logic, or they can reason improperly and contradict the laws of logic. If they reason improperly it is not human logic. It is improper reasoning. Logic doesn't change. People reason and they either follow logic or they don't. The laws of logic don't change. They are fixed according to God's creation.

 

[JLB]

It's pretty simply. Logic is the process of reasoning properly. Thinking is a process of thought. I can think about going fishing. That is not logic. That is thinking. Logic is proper reasoning. There are laws of logic. The Law of noncontradiction for example. The law states that two opposing things cannot both be true at the same time.

Thanks for sharing your opinion about logic.


How does this prove there is no such thing as human logic?