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Bible Study The beast/s of the book of Job

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I would like to share an interpretaion of what exactly the beasts of Job are in their physical manifestation. I would put it simply that they are the same beasts that we find in Daniel and Revelation: The natural man!

It is not my impression that this is a common interpretation, and any feedback for or against, or information that this has or has not been discussed by many others would be most helpful.

I do have a confirmation on the same interpretation from none other that Charles Spurgeon. I found it in a book of his called 'The Soulwinner'. I found that to be most encouraging. I know that some of these things are non-essential within the body, so I do not wish to make it a divisive issue.

To express the interpretation clearly, I will share my response to a third party atheist from another forum, in which I used this angle to make a very important point. Their name has been changed for confidentiality. I hope it is clear...

John doe says: Too bad you can't use your own words to argue.

John Doe, when I do, you accuse me of proselytizing my personal belief. When I offer the resources and quotes of others, you accuse me of plagiarism.

There is no amount of humility on my part; no reasonable statement of fact, and no persuasive power that I can invoke that will satisfy you.

You're rebellion is total and unwavering. Your defiance is -absolute-. You're resistance is unassailable. You will not be led, nor will you conform to any provision offered by me in any form.

I admit my inability to subdue you. Only your maker can control your nature. The same holds true for me. Which is why I bring you his word. That you may know the truth and be set free from such insanity!

You are amazing. There is truly no creature on earth like you...


Job 40; 19 He ranks first among the works of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword. 20 The hills bring him their produce, and all the wild animals play nearby. 21 Under the lotus plants he lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh. 22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow; the poplars by the stream surround him. 23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed; he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth.

Job 41 3 Will he keep begging you for mercy? Will he speak to you with gentle words? 4 Will he make an agreement with you for you to take him as your slave for life? 5 Can you make a pet of him like a bird or put him on a leash for your girls? 6 Will traders barter for him? Will they divide him up among the merchants? 7 Can you fill his hide with harpoons or his head with fishing spears? 8 If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again! 9 Any hope of subduing him is false; the mere sight of him is overpowering. 10 No one is fierce enough to rouse him. Who then is able to stand against me?
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me. 12 "I will not fail to speak of his limbs, his strength and his graceful form. 13 Who can strip off his outer coat? Who would approach him with a bridle? 14 Who dares open the doors of his mouth, ringed about with his fearsome teeth? 15 His back has rows of shields tightly sealed together; 16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between. 17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted. 18 His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn. 19 Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. 20 Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds. 21 His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth. 22 Strength resides in his neck; dismay goes before him. 23 The folds of his flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable. 24 His chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone. 25 When he rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before his thrashing. 26 The sword that reaches him has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin. 27 Iron he treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood. 28 Arrows do not make him flee; slingstones are like chaff to him. 29 A club seems to him but a piece of straw; he laughs at the rattling of the lance. 30 His undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge. 31 He makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment. 32 Behind him he leaves a glistening wake; one would think the deep had white hair. 33 Nothing on earth is his equal-- a creature without fear. 34 He looks down on all that are haughty; he is king over all that are proud."

Matthew 15:11
'What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'

Robsl
 
The interpretation that the beasts referred to in Job 40 & 41 are natural man can only be viewed as speculation or personal interpretation at best. There are no texts given in support of that view. Also, the fact that the very texts which identify the beasts in question were not supplied and therefore not included in the original assertion, also renders the opinion baseless.

Here is the omitted text for Job 40,

"Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox. 16 See now, his strength is in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles. 17 He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. 18 His bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron" (Job 40:15-18).

Here is the omitted text for Job 41,

"Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook, Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower? 2 Can you put a reed through his nose, Or pierce his jaw with a hook?" (Job 41:1-2).

With further research and the inclusion of related texts on the topic, perhaps an argument could be constructed in support of the original view.

R7-12
 
R7-12 said:
The interpretation that the beasts referred to in Job 40 & 41 are natural man can only be viewed as speculation or personal interpretation at best. There are no texts given in support of that view. Also, the fact that the very texts which identify the beasts in question were not supplied and therefore not included in the original assertion, also renders the opinion baseless.

Here is the omitted text for Job 40,

"Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox. 16 See now, his strength is in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles. 17 He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. 18 His bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron" (Job 40:15-18).

Here is the omitted text for Job 41,

"Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook, Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower? 2 Can you put a reed through his nose, Or pierce his jaw with a hook?" (Job 41:1-2).

With further research and the inclusion of related texts on the topic, perhaps an argument could be constructed in support of the original view.

R7-12
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R7-12
I guess pigs do fly.
While my knowledge of the scriptures is quite low, I do agree with you 100% on this. :D
Blessings to you
Oscar
 
Hi oscar,

Well pigs are unclean so the idea of them flying will never get off the ground. :wink:

Just wondering, will you also bless me when you don't agree with me?

R7-12
 
R7-12 said:
"Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox. 16 See now, his strength is in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles. 17 He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. 18 His bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron" (Job 40:15-18).

Here is the omitted text for Job 41,

"Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook, Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower? 2 Can you put a reed through his nose, Or pierce his jaw with a hook?" (Job 41:1-2).

With further research and the inclusion of related texts on the topic, perhaps an argument could be constructed in support of the original view.

R7-12
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I have accumulated some of the scriptures that seem to me to illustrate that the Old testament prophets as well as John writing the book of revelation agree with my assertion that the beasts of Job are the same as beasts elsewhere in scripture. And also evidence that this beast is in fact spiritually the Devil, and physically is mankind.

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Job 40:15
"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox.


Da 4:32
You will be driven away from people and will live with the wild animals; you will eat grass like cattle. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes."

Isa 51:12
"I, even I, am He who comforts you. Who are you that you should be afraid Of a man who will die, And of the son of a man who will be made like grass?

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NKJ Job 41; 1 "Can you draw out the Leviathon, or snare his tongue with a line in which you lower?"

NKJ Rev 20; 1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, Having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He layed hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the devil and satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the botttomless pit, and shut him up..."

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Job 41; 2 Can you put a reed through his nose, or pierce His jaw with a hook?

Ezekiel 38 3; 4 'and say, Thus says the Lord God: "Behold, I am against you. O Gog, prince of Rosh, meshech, and Tubal. I will turn you around and put hooks in your Jaw...'

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Rev 12; 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.

Job 41;23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed; he is secure; though the Jordan surges against his mouth.


Ps 74:14
It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan and gave him as food to the creatures of the desert.

Ezekiel 29:1-7
2 "Son of man, set your face against Pharaoh king of Egypt and prophesy against him and against all Egypt. 3 Speak to him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: "'I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt, you great monster lying among your streams. You say, "The Nile is mine; I made it for myself." 4 But I will put hooks in your jaws and make the fish of your streams stick to your scales. I will pull you out from among your streams, with all the fish sticking to your scales. 5 I will leave you in the desert, you and all the fish of your streams. You will fall on the open field and not be gathered or picked up. I will give you as food to the beasts of the earth and the birds of the air.

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Job 41;11 ‘…Everything under heaven is mine.’ (says the Lord)



Isa 27:1
In that day the Lord with His severe sword, great and strong, Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that twisted serpent; And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.

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Revelation 19:11-21
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great." 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.


Re 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Revelation 12:1-11
1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them F69 in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Job 41:11-34
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me. 12 "I will not fail to speak of his limbs, his strength and his graceful form. 13 Who can strip off his outer coat? Who would approach him with a bridle? 14 Who dares open the doors of his mouth, ringed about with his fearsome teeth? 15 His back has rows of shields tightly sealed together; 16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between. 17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted. 18 His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn. 19 Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. 20 Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds. 21 His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth. 22 Strength resides in his neck; dismay goes before him. 23 The folds of his flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable. 24 His chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone. 25 When he rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before his thrashing. 26 The sword that reaches him has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin. 27 Iron he treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood. 28 Arrows do not make him flee; slingstones are like chaff to him. 29 A club seems to him but a piece of straw; he laughs at the rattling of the lance. 30 His undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge. 31 He makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment. 32 Behind him he leaves a glistening wake; one would think the deep had white hair. 33 Nothing on earth is his equal-- a creature without fear. 34 He looks down on all that are haughty; he is king over all that are proud."


Da 4:32
…. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes."

Da 7:25
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.


Re 12:14
The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.

Revelation 20: 2
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.


Ge 3:1 -
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made…

Job 40:19
He is the first of the ways of God; Only He who made him can bring near His sword.


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Isaiah 35:7
And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

Job 40: 20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22
 
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