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The Bible Morality

Classik

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Is the Bible a sufficient moral justification?

Here Classik goes again...after decades of rest.
 
Classik said:
Can you live outside of the Word (bible)...and still count it as acceptable. Or do you consider all we must do must have biblical basis?
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Good questions.

I think the Bible is our guideline for how we should act, specially how we should treat each other and how we should treat God. (This is what Jesus said the 10 commandments were about.) Everything in there is there for a reason, but not everything is a command. Some of it is relevant history (much of the Old Testament, the Gospels), praise songs/poetry (the Psalms), etc.

I've talked to plenty of atheists who use certain things from the Bible to paint it and God as a monster, but really they take so much out of context to accomplish this. When I'm given scripture from them as "proof", I ask myself what's the history and purpose behind this verse, and from that try to determine the meaning.
(On the other hand, I am not for forcing those who don't practice Christianity to follow the Bible. It's their choice, honestly.)

I think we shouldn't disobey the Bible, but not everything we do or should do is written in the Bible. It doesn't tell us to brush our teeth, for example. It doesn't have to be in the Bible to be beneficial or acceptable, just so long as it doesn't violate principles or raise an attitude of disobedience in our hearts.
 
Concerning moral justification, what year do you think this statement was made?

Imagine the pressures churches will face if homosexual marriage is legalized.

tob
 
questdriven said:
Good questions.

I think the Bible is our guideline for how we should act, specially how we should treat each other and how we should treat God. (This is what Jesus said the 10 commandments were about.) Everything in there is there for a reason, but not everything is a command. Some of it is relevant history (much of the Old Testament, the Gospels), praise songs/poetry (the Psalms), etc.

I've talked to plenty of atheists who use certain things from the Bible to paint it and God as a monster, but really they take so much out of context to accomplish this. When I'm given scripture from them as "proof", I ask myself what's the history and purpose behind this verse, and from that try to determine the meaning.
(On the other hand, I am not for forcing those who don't practice Christianity to follow the Bible. It's their choice, honestly.)

I think we shouldn't disobey the Bible, but not everything we do or should do is written in the Bible. It doesn't tell us to brush our teeth, for example. It doesn't have to be in the Bible to be beneficial or acceptable, just so long as it doesn't violate principles or raise an attitude of disobedience in our hearts.
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This is a brilliant reply, a world-class one.
 
Romans 8:9 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
 
Classik said:
Can you live outside of the Word (bible)...and still count it as acceptable. Or do you consider all we must do must have biblical basis?
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But he answered (Satan) and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4 KJV

The word of God is crystal clear. If you live outside of the word of God you are a enemy of God. James 4:4 NKJV
 
questdriven said:
Good questions.

I think the Bible is our guideline for how we should act, specially how we should treat each other and how we should treat God. (This is what Jesus said the 10 commandments were about.) Everything in there is there for a reason, but not everything is a command. Some of it is relevant history (much of the Old Testament, the Gospels), praise songs/poetry (the Psalms), etc.

I've talked to plenty of atheists who use certain things from the Bible to paint it and God as a monster, but really they take so much out of context to accomplish this. When I'm given scripture from them as "proof", I ask myself what's the history and purpose behind this verse, and from that try to determine the meaning.
(On the other hand, I am not for forcing those who don't practice Christianity to follow the Bible. It's their choice, honestly.)

I think we shouldn't disobey the Bible, but not everything we do or should do is written in the Bible. It doesn't tell us to brush our teeth, for example. It doesn't have to be in the Bible to be beneficial or acceptable, just so long as it doesn't violate principles or raise an attitude of disobedience in our hearts.
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Walking in the Spirit
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5
 
iLOVE said:
Walking in the Spirit
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5
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Not sure if you're trying to correct me on something or not?
My post was not at all intended to promote anything the Bible clearly speaks against.
 
questdriven said:
Not sure if you're trying to correct me on something or not?
My post was not at all intended to promote anything the Bible clearly speaks against.
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You mean well however your statement is not true. The bible is the blue print for living. Many people do not understand the word of God. So they only look for exact words or depend on what others say.

The scripture says it like this: Proverbs 4
My son, pay attention to what I say;
turn your ear to my words.
21 Do not let them out of your sight,
keep them within your heart;
22 for they are life to those who find them
and health to one’s whole body.

God bless you.
 
Meh. I don't think you're saying anything I actually disagree with here. Just from a slightly different perspective, I guess.
 
turnorburn said:
Concerning moral justification, what year do you think this statement was made?

Imagine the pressures churches will face if homosexual marriage is legalized.

tob
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I give up. So when was it said? I'm guessing quite awhile ago just from the tone of it.

questdriven said:
Good questions.

I think the Bible is our guideline for how we should act, specially how we should treat each other and how we should treat God. (This is what Jesus said the 10 commandments were about.) Everything in there is there for a reason, but not everything is a command. Some of it is relevant history (much of the Old Testament, the Gospels), praise songs/poetry (the Psalms), etc.

I've talked to plenty of atheists who use certain things from the Bible to paint it and God as a monster, but really they take so much out of context to accomplish this. When I'm given scripture from them as "proof", I ask myself what's the history and purpose behind this verse, and from that try to determine the meaning.
(On the other hand, I am not for forcing those who don't practice Christianity to follow the Bible. It's their choice, honestly.)

I think we shouldn't disobey the Bible, but not everything we do or should do is written in the Bible. It doesn't tell us to brush our teeth, for example. It doesn't have to be in the Bible to be beneficial or acceptable, just so long as it doesn't violate principles or raise an attitude of disobedience in our hearts.
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iLOVE said:
You mean well however your statement is not true. The bible is the blue print for living. Many people do not understand the word of God. So they only look for exact words or depend on what others say.

The scripture says it like this: Proverbs 4
My son, pay attention to what I say;
turn your ear to my words.
21 Do not let them out of your sight,
keep them within your heart;
22 for they are life to those who find them
and health to one’s whole body.

God bless you.
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I think it is just a difference in perspective. You're both right. Questdriven did not say anything that I disagree with. Everything is not in the bible...we certainly can be led of the Spirit into an extra-biblical walk. This usually takes place with more mature Christians and not babes though, so IloveGod's warning is well said.
 
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