The Book Of Daniel

[turnorburn]

A 10 nation confederacy is a sign found in the book of Daniel of the last days along with many other signs, we had best suit up with the entire armor of God.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

6:21 But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:

6:22 Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts.

6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

6:24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

turnorburn

The last I heard the Pope and the leaders of these countries made a pact that Catholicism will be the one and only true church world wide, Its pretty much ready to go. That tune Onward Christian Soldiers will be our watch word, blow the trumpets the King Is Coming

 

[Benoni]

There are two churches in the Bible not 22,000.

The true Church which is the out called (ekklicia), and then there is Baby-lon (note spelling), (joke)

All th world goverments can do what ever they want to when it comes to Baby-lon, but when it comes to the true church with out spot or wrikle they cannot touch.

A 10 nation confederacy is a sign found in the book of Daniel of the last days along with many other signs, we had best suit up with the entire armor of God.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

6:21 But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:

6:22 Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts.

6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

6:24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

turnorburn

The last I heard the Pope and the leaders of these countries made a pact that Catholicism will be the one and only true church world wide, Its pretty much ready to go. That tune Onward Christian Soldiers will be our watch word, blow the trumpets the King Is Coming

 

[JudaicChristian]

There are two churches in the Bible not 22,000.

The true Church which is the out called (ekklicia), and then there is Baby-lon (note spelling), (joke)

The word "Church" is not biblical. The correct translation is "Congregations." When John gave us Revelation there were many more congregations then seven.
Revelation 1:19. "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampsticks is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven congregations, and the seven lampsticks are the seven congregations.

 

[Benoni]

It is to Biblical. The word church was used 111 time in theNT. Attually the word Church comes from the word ekklicia which means the called out which I just mentioned in my last post. The seven churches of Revelation are not the church they are a symbolism of the seven church ages.

1. EPHESUS - APOSTOLIC CHURCH
2. SMYRNA - MARTYR CHURCH
3. PERGAMOS - STATE CHURCH
4. THYATIRA - PAPAL CHURCH
5. SARDIS - REFORMATION CHURCH
6. PHILADELPHIA - MISSIONARY CHURCH
7. LAODICEA - APOSTATE CHURCH

There are two churches in the Bible not 22,000.

The true Church which is the out called (ekklicia), and then there is Baby-lon (note spelling), (joke)

The word "Church" is not biblical. The correct translation is "Congregations." When John gave us Revelation there were many more congregations then seven.
Revelation 1:19. "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampsticks is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven congregations, and the seven lampsticks are the seven congregations.

 

[JudaicChristian]

It is to Biblical. The word church was used 111 time in theNT. Attually the word Church comes from the word ekklicia which means the called out which I just mentioned in my last post. The seven churches of Revelation are not the church they are a symbolism of the seven church ages.

1. EPHESUS - APOSTOLIC CHURCH
2. SMYRNA - MARTYR CHURCH
3. PERGAMOS - STATE CHURCH
4. THYATIRA - PAPAL CHURCH
5. SARDIS - REFORMATION CHURCH
6. PHILADELPHIA - MISSIONARY CHURCH
7. LAODICEA - APOSTATE CHURCH

There are two churches in the Bible not 22,000.

The true Church which is the out called (ekklicia), and then there is Baby-lon (note spelling), (joke)

The word "Church" is not biblical. The correct translation is "Congregations." When John gave us Revelation there were many more congregations then seven.
Revelation 1:19. "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampsticks is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven congregations, and the seven lampsticks are the seven congregations.

The word "Church" is not in actual scripture.

The word "Assembly and Congregation" are INTERPRETATED as Church. Now what do you think of that?

If you will take notice, the word Church is not used in the Old Testament. The word Ekklesia is used 114 times, and mostly as an INTERPRETATION for Church and a few times as Assembly or Congregation. The word Church is an INTERPRETATION were as Assembly or Congregation would be a TRANSLATION.

The ecclesia or ekklesia was the principal assembly of the democracy of ancient Athens during its Golden Age (480-404 BCE). It was a gathering place for politicians and voters.

 

[veteran]

Moreover, the seven Churches in Asia per Revelation 2 & 3, were... actual, literal Churches located in different areas of Asia Minor. The one at Ephesus is one of the Churches Apostle Paul wrote to with his Epistle to the Ephesians.

The seven candlesticks our Lord Jesus used to represent the seven Churches is a Heavenly order which serves as a symbol for the seven Churches on earth. The seven Churches represent types. With five of the seven, our Lord Jesus had Messages for them to repent. That serves as an example of the types of Churches that can exist since then and all the way to the end of this world. The seven types apply to all existing Churches. Each Church existing today will follow one of the seven types. And only two Churches our Lord had a Message for did not include a rebuke. Might do well to study what those two were like, and follow their pattern.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Moreover, the seven Churches in Asia per Revelation 2 & 3, were... actual, literal Churches located in different areas of Asia Minor. The one at Ephesus is one of the Churches Apostle Paul wrote to with his Epistle to the Ephesians.

The seven candlesticks our Lord Jesus used to represent the seven Churches is a Heavenly order which serves as a symbol for the seven Churches on earth. The seven Churches represent types. With five of the seven, our Lord Jesus had Messages for them to repent. That serves as an example of the types of Churches that can exist since then and all the way to the end of this world. The seven types apply to all existing Churches. Each Church existing today will follow one of the seven types. And only two Churches our Lord had a Message for did not include a rebuke. Might do well to study what those two were like, and follow their pattern.

The Seven Lampsticks are the Seven Thunders in the last days. Those Seven come out from the churches of the world. See Revelation 10. Also the word "thunder."

 

[turnorburn]

 

[Geo]

Where does this interpretation actually come from originally:

1. EPHESUS - APOSTOLIC CHURCH
2. SMYRNA - MARTYR CHURCH
3. PERGAMOS - STATE CHURCH
4. THYATIRA - PAPAL CHURCH
5. SARDIS - REFORMATION CHURCH
6. PHILADELPHIA - MISSIONARY CHURCH
7. LAODICEA - APOSTATE CHURCH

there is more than the type adressed, also the church age, dominating their era.
I can see no. 4 to 7 all exist today, it's very accurate (based on obsevation only)

 

[Vic C.]

The word "Assembly and Congregation" are INTERPRETATED as Church. Now what do you think of that?

Ok MDO, take a deep breath... :nod

MDO is correct actually. The origin of the word church is not clearly known. The one explanation I came up with several years ago was "circle".

Ekklesia does however, translate nicely into 'assembly' or 'congregation'. I prefer ekklesia over church anyway. It sounds cooler. :D

 

[JudaicChristian]

Ekklesia really means "a calling out", a meeting or a gathering. Ekklesia is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew qahal, which means an assembly or a congregation. Neither ekklesia nor qahal means a building. Tyndale, in his translation, uniformly translated ekklesia as "congregation" and only used the word "'churches" to translate Acts 19:37 for heathen temples! Whence the word "church", then? Ecclesiastical sources give the origin as kuriakon or kyriakon in Greek. However to accept this, one has to stretch your imagination in an attempt to see any resemblance. Also, because kuriakon means a building (the house of Kurios=Lord), and not a gathering or meeting of people, as the words ekklesia and qahal imply, therefore this explanation can only be regarded as distorted, even if it is true. Our common dictionaries, however, are honest in revealing to us the true origin. They all trace the word back to its Old English or Anglo-Saxon root, namely circe. And the, origin of circe? Any encyclopedia, or dictionary of mythology, will reveal who Circe was. She was the goddess daughter of Helios, the Sun deity! Again, another form of Sun worship, this time the daughter of the Sun deity, had become mixed with the Messianic Faith.
Some interesting facts emerge from the study of the word circe. The word is related to "circus", "circle", "circuit", "Circean", "circulate", and the various words starting with circum-". The Latin pronunciation could have been "sirke" or "sirse". The Old English word circe may have been pronounced similarly to "kirke", or even "sirse".
However, Circe was in fact originally a Greek goddess where her name was written as: Kirke, and pronounced as such — just as in numerous similar cases of words of Greek origin e.g. cyst and kustis, cycle and kuklos, cylinder and kulindros. The word "church" is known in Scotland as kirk, and in German as Kirche and in Netherlands as kerk. These words show their direct derivation from the Greek Kirke even better than the English "church". However, even the Old English circe for "church", reveals its origin.
Let us rather use the Scriptural "Assembly" or "Congregation", and renounce the word that is derived from Circe, the daughter of the Sun deity which is worshiped even today on the day of the Sun, Sunday!



Circe, daughter of the well known Sun deity Helios. This "Circe" is the identical Old English word for "Church".

 

[Benoni]

Yes they were literal churches, but the interpetation of all things in the Book of Revelation. John was in spirit on the Lord's day, which makes revelation a spiritual book. No where does it say Joh was being literal or partially literal. Yes you need litral words like the seven churches which were literal to understand the true message which is spiritual.

Just like the candle stick or lampstand.

Isaiah 11:2

The lampstand was a piece of furniture that was in the Tabernacle in the wilderness as well as both temples. Like all the furniture in the temple there was always a much deeper and awesome meaning. I am just going to touch on a few thought I thought were interesting. So often God hides his glory from carnal man by types, shadows, parables, mysteries and hidden manna.

Lamp stand was made by beaten gold; that is the craftsman would literally beat the gold to desired shape. Gold is symbolic of divine life which takes trials and tribulations to accomplish.

The lamp had seven staffs attached to one staff; symbolic of seven spirits od God in Isaiah 11:2; but one God.

Fire is symbolic of the purging power of Holy Spirit. Everyday the priest would have to immerse the lamp in olive oil (symbolic of god’s anointing) and light the lamp with fire.

Then the light was placed in the Holy Place for light. The first court or the outer court had no lamp but was lit by the sun by day; but at night there was no lamp. The Holy of Holies also had no lamp for God’s Glory would be all the light it needed on the day of atonement.

Moreover, the seven Churches in Asia per Revelation 2 & 3, were... actual, literal Churches located in different areas of Asia Minor. The one at Ephesus is one of the Churches Apostle Paul wrote to with his Epistle to the Ephesians.

The seven candlesticks our Lord Jesus used to represent the seven Churches is a Heavenly order which serves as a symbol for the seven Churches on earth. The seven Churches represent types. With five of the seven, our Lord Jesus had Messages for them to repent. That serves as an example of the types of Churches that can exist since then and all the way to the end of this world. The seven types apply to all existing Churches. Each Church existing today will follow one of the seven types. And only two Churches our Lord had a Message for did not include a rebuke. Might do well to study what those two were like, and follow their pattern.

 

[Vic C.]

Thanks MDO. But... you need to state your source. :yes

 

[veteran]

In Rev.11, "two candlesticks" are mentioned within the prophecy about God's "two witnesses". That is showing a connection with what our Lord Jesus said at the end of Rev.1 about the seven candlesticks representing the seven Churches. The seven Churches of Asia were seven literal Churches in Asia Minor. Christ's Messages to each were literal. In Rev.2:5 Christ warned the Church at Ephesus He will remove their candlestick if they didn't repent.

When all that understanding is tied together, it means the seven Messages our Lord gave those seven Churches act as ensamples for all other Churches, all the way up to His return. And if only two candlesticks (Churches) are included within the prophecy of God's "two witnesses" in Rev.11, what does that mean for the other five Churches?