The Case That Could Be Fox’s Next Dominion

[Barbarian]

The Case That Could Be Fox’s Next Dominion​

Tucker Carlson, before he was sidelined by Fox, repeatedly endorsed a conspiracy theory about an Arizona man, who may sue for defamation. Legal experts say it would be a viable case.

Of all the distortions and paranoia that Tucker Carlson promoted on his since-canceled Fox News program, one looms large: a conspiracy theory that an Arizona man working as a covert government agent incited the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol to sabotage and discredit former President Donald J. Trump and his political movement.

What’s known about the man — a two-time Trump voter named Ray Epps — is that he took part in demonstrations in Washington that day and the night before. He was captured on camera urging a crowd to march with him and enter the Capitol. But at other points, he pleads for calm once it becomes clear the situation is turning violent. He can be seen moving past a line of Capitol Police at the barricades, but never actually goes inside the Capitol...
Yet for more than 18 months, Mr. Carlson insisted that the lack of charges against Mr. Epps could mean only one thing: that he was being protected because he was a secret government agent. There was “no rational explanation,” Mr. Carlson told his audience, why this “mysterious figure” who “helped stage-manage the insurrection” had not been charged.

He repeated Mr. Epps’s name over and over — in nearly 20 episodes — imprinting it on the minds of his viewers.
Mr. Epps was in the Marine Corps but said in his deposition before the Jan. 6 committee that he had otherwise never worked on behalf of any government agency. He and his wife, Robyn, have fled Arizona and are in hiding in another state, having sold their wedding venue business and ranch after receiving death threats from people who appeared to believe the conspiracy theory.

The Case That Could Be Fox’s Next Dominion

Tucker Carlson, before he was sidelined by Fox, repeatedly endorsed a conspiracy theory about an Arizona man, who may sue for defamation. Legal experts say it would be a viable case.

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[hawkman]

The curious case of Ray Epps .

Ray Epps uncharged in Capitol riot, but feds arrested woman engaged in similar conduct

 

[hawkman]

What’s known about the man — a two-time Trump voter named Ray Epps — is that he took part in demonstrations in Washington that day and the night before. He was captured on camera urging a crowd to march with him and enter the Capitol. But at other points, he pleads for calm once it becomes clear the situation is turning violent. He can be seen moving past a line of Capitol Police at the barricades, but never actually goes inside the Capitol...

We are making progress it is no longer an "insurrection " according to NYT . Downgraded to demonstrations , wonder why ?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

We have the videos now.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The Case That Could Be Fox’s Next Dominion​

Tucker Carlson, before he was sidelined by Fox, repeatedly endorsed a conspiracy theory about an Arizona man, who may sue for defamation. Legal experts say it would be a viable case.

Of all the distortions and paranoia that Tucker Carlson promoted on his since-canceled Fox News program, one looms large: a conspiracy theory that an Arizona man working as a covert government agent incited the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol to sabotage and discredit former President Donald J. Trump and his political movement.

What’s known about the man — a two-time Trump voter named Ray Epps — is that he took part in demonstrations in Washington that day and the night before. He was captured on camera urging a crowd to march with him and enter the Capitol. But at other points, he pleads for calm once it becomes clear the situation is turning violent. He can be seen moving past a line of Capitol Police at the barricades, but never actually goes inside the Capitol...
Yet for more than 18 months, Mr. Carlson insisted that the lack of charges against Mr. Epps could mean only one thing: that he was being protected because he was a secret government agent. There was “no rational explanation,” Mr. Carlson told his audience, why this “mysterious figure” who “helped stage-manage the insurrection” had not been charged.

He repeated Mr. Epps’s name over and over — in nearly 20 episodes — imprinting it on the minds of his viewers.
Mr. Epps was in the Marine Corps but said in his deposition before the Jan. 6 committee that he had otherwise never worked on behalf of any government agency. He and his wife, Robyn, have fled Arizona and are in hiding in another state, having sold their wedding venue business and ranch after receiving death threats from people who appeared to believe the conspiracy theory.

The Case That Could Be Fox’s Next Dominion

Tucker Carlson, before he was sidelined by Fox, repeatedly endorsed a conspiracy theory about an Arizona man, who may sue for defamation. Legal experts say it would be a viable case.

www.nytimes.com

Read the whole article.

So Epps's actual intent was:
" lets all storm the capitol right now , but please people , lets all storm the capitol as Mahatma Gandhi would storm it "
Lol.
Thats funny .

 

[Barbarian]

We are making progress it is no longer an "insurrection " according to NYT . Downgraded to demonstrations , wonder why ?

I suppose because there were a lot of demonstrators who didn't actually take part in the insurrection. There's a difference between legally and peacefully demonstrating, and breaking into the Capitol in order to overturn an election. The former is demonstrating, the latter is an insurrection.

This issue is whether or not what this guy did, actually crossed the line.

So Epps's actual intent was:
" lets all storm the capitol right now , but please people , lets all storm the capitol as Mahatma Gandhi would storm it "
Lol.
Thats funny .

Well, yes. But if everyone did as he did, probably none of them would be facing years in prison.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I suppose because there were a lot of demonstrators who didn't actually take part in the insurrection. There's a difference between legally and peacefully demonstrating, and breaking into the Capitol in order to overturn an election. The former is demonstrating, the latter is an insurrection.

This issue is whether or not what this guy did, actually crossed the line.

Well, yes. But if everyone did as he did, probably none of them would be facing years in prison.

Yes, what a kinder & gentlemanly type of Capitol stormer He conspired & incited so many others to be as well.

 

[Barbarian]

Defenders of Epps, such as Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, say Epps is a free man because there is no evidence he engaged in acts of violence or entered the Capitol building.

The New York Times reported Tuesday that Epps committed an offense by entering a restricted part of Capitol grounds but added that the offense "has largely gone unpunished."

Yes, what a kinder & gentlemanly type of Capitol stormer

Not assaulting police or breaking into the Capitol probably has something do do with it, yes. I notice that the insurrectionists going to prison were involved in acts of violence, breaking and entering, and vandalism/theft.

There's another possibility. Epps is a long-time Trump follower, but he is also the perfect target for police to flip. He didn't do much that could get him charged, but the right prosecutor might be able to make a case on him. So police might very well have approached him with a deal. "Tell us about the guys around you who committed serious crimes, and maybe we'll just let your case drop."

Happens a lot in cases criminal conspiracies like the insurrection.

 

[Barbarian]

At any rate, it's not up to Epps to prove he wasn't cooperating with the police. It's up to Fox News to prove he was an agent provocateur. That's probably going to be hard to prove, given the evidence so far. Suing Fox for the crackpot accusations of the clowns they were giving air time seems to be a trend.

 

[Barbarian]

Oh, and while it's illegal to try to overturn an election by violence, it's not a crime to advocate it unless one can be shown to have actually incited people to do it...

 

[hawkman]

Defenders of Epps, such as Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, say Epps is a free man because there is no evidence he engaged in acts of violence or entered the Capitol building.

The New York Times reported Tuesday that Epps committed an offense by entering a restricted part of Capitol grounds but added that the offense "has largely gone unpunished."

Not assaulting police or breaking into the Capitol probably has something do do with it, yes. I notice that the insurrectionists going to prison were involved in acts of violence, breaking and entering, and vandalism/theft.

There's another possibility. Epps is a long-time Trump follower, but he is also the perfect target for police to flip. He didn't do much that could get him charged, but the right prosecutor might be able to make a case on him. So police might very well have approached him with a deal. "Tell us about the guys around you who committed serious crimes, and maybe we'll just let your case drop."

Happens a lot in cases criminal conspiracies like the insurrection.

Whoa now ! If Ray Epps is involved you need follow the MSM narrative and call it something else now such as ,
WaPo said Ray Epps attended "Pro-Trump Rallies" , Rolling Stone said Ray Epps attended "protests" on Jan. 6 , NYT said Ray Epps took part in "demonstrations in Washington " , Fox News Ray Epps "joined the Jan 6 protests " .

Just like that the insurrection is gone , amazing .

 

[Jethro Bodine]

We have the videos now.
Epps should have been arrested months and months ago.

The military industrial complex will do anything to stop Trump from interrupting their income. I expect us to be at war in Europe before the 2024 election in the hope that will further frustrate him from getting elected.

 

[Consecrated Life]

At any rate, it's not up to Epps to prove he wasn't cooperating with the police. It's up to Fox News to prove he was an agent provocateur. That's probably going to be hard to prove, given the evidence so far. Suing Fox for the crackpot accusations of the clowns they were giving air time seems to be a trend.

You are ignorant to what you ranting about .
It is not surprising to me you deceitfully never mention the actual facts and basis for the suit ,
The basis of Epp's suit STRATEGICALLY , has nothing to do with the news questioning who he is in connection to the sweetheart no jail time, not even a slap on the wrist treatment he received for cheerleading a conspiracy to storm the capital .
Others given stiff prison sentences for not doing anything close to that.
Which by the way News agencies, should always question what is in back of the injustices in applying of our laws.
No doubt that Epp's lawyers were told by our government where they could, and could not go in filing a suit.

The crux of Epp's suit is that Fox "disinformed" him about election fraud and being the poor hapless moron that he is , he was natually led astray to the Capitol like a mindless moth to the flame by the evil Fox network.


"The lawsuit blames Fox News for spreading 2020 election fraud misinformation, painting Mr Epps as a loyal viewer who trusted the network’s commentary."
“When Fox, through its on-air personalities and guests, told its audience that the 2020 election had been stolen, Epps was listening,” the complaint says. “He believed Fox. And when Epps kept hearing that Trump supporters should let their views be known on Jan. 6 in Washington D.C., Epps took that to heart.”

 

[Barbarian]

Whoa now ! If Ray Epps is involved you need follow the MSM narrative and call it something else now such as ,
WaPo said Ray Epps attended "Pro-Trump Rallies" , Rolling Stone said Ray Epps attended "protests" on Jan. 6 , NYT said Ray Epps took part in "demonstrations in Washington " , Fox News Ray Epps "joined the Jan 6 protests " .

There were protests and demonstrations that did not involve attack police, breaking into the Capitol, or attempting to violently overturn the election.

There was a lot of that. I suspect that it wasn't just Epps; I imagine a lot of low-level offenders were called in by the police and asked to provide information on the actual insurrectionists. The vast majority of the people who did what Epps did, were not charged with anything. If the FBI and police did not question them, they were derelict in their duties.

Just like that the insurrection is gone , amazing .

Nope. It's just that not every Trump supporter who protested, joined the insurrection in trying to overturn the election.

 

[Barbarian]

You are ignorant to what you ranting about .

Nope. You just don't like the facts.

It is not surprising to me you deceitfully never mention the actual facts and basis for the suit ,

Well, let's take a look...
Tucker Carlson, before he was sidelined by Fox, repeatedly endorsed a conspiracy theory about an Arizona man, who may sue for defamation. Legal experts say it would be a viable case.

Of all the distortions and paranoia that Tucker Carlson promoted on his since-canceled Fox News program, one looms large: a conspiracy theory that an Arizona man working as a covert government agent incited the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol to sabotage and discredit former President Donald J. Trump and his political movement.

Epps is considering suing Fox for claiming that he was a government agent in the insurrection. It's not hard to figure out. Epps doesn't have to prove he wasn't. Fox has to prove he was.

The basis of Epp's suit STRATEGICALLY , has nothing to do with the news questioning who he is in connection to the sweetheart no jail time, not even a slap on the wrist treatment he received for cheerleading a conspiracy to storm the capital .

If that was an obvious crime, Trump would be in jail now. He might be. But as you know, most people who did what Epps did, weren't arrested at all.

Others given stiff prison sentences for not doing anything close to that.

Sounds like a testable claim. Show us.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Nope. It's just that not every Trump supporter who protested, joined the insurrection in trying to overturn the election.

You seem to have missed the point.
Now that one of their own is being implicated, the left has backed off from calling it an insurrection.

 

[Barbarian]

You seem to have missed the point.

Nope. You missed it. The conspiracy buffs messed up and smeared one of their own. Now, Fox is going to have to either show that he was a federal agent, or pay the price once more for false accusations.

Now that one of their own is being implicated

It takes more than Tucker Carlson blathering out fake stories to do that.

the left has backed off from calling it an insurrection

Nope. As you know, it was an insurrection and that's what they called it.
Not everyone in the protest joined the insurrection, however. Those who attacked police, broke into the Capitol and attempted to overturn the election were insurrectionists. The rest were not.

Now, depending on what Epps said, he possibly could be charged with inciting the insurrection as Trump was for telling his followers to go to the Capitol and fight for him.

As you know, a lot of people who did a lot worse, have not been charged. Bottom line? If this guy decides to sue, Fox better have good evidence that he was what they claimed he was.

It's far from over for them. Only the first lawsuit has been finished.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Nope. You missed it. The conspiracy buffs messed up and smeared one of their own. Now, Fox is going to have to either show that he was a federal agent, or pay the price once more for false accusations.

It takes more than Tucker Carlson blathering out fake stories to do that.

Nope. As you know, it was an insurrection and that's what they called it.
Not everyone in the protest joined the insurrection, however. Those who attacked police, broke into the Capitol and attempted to overturn the election were insurrectionists. The rest were not.

Now, depending on what Epps said, he possibly could be charged with inciting the insurrection as Trump was for telling his followers to go to the Capitol and fight for him.

As you know, a lot of people who did a lot worse, have not been charged. Bottom line? If this guy decides to sue, Fox better have good evidence that he was what they claimed he was.

It's far from over for them. Only the first lawsuit has been finished.

I don't care about Fox News. I dumped them right after the stolen election.

And Trump did not incite the violence at the Capitol. We have the video to prove that. I think we'll see that with the help of the FBI it was a setup. We have the video for that, too.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Nope. You missed it. The conspiracy buffs messed up and smeared one of their own. Now, Fox is going to have to either show that he was a federal agent, or pay the price once more for false accusations.

It takes more than Tucker Carlson blathering out fake stories to do that.

Nope. As you know, it was an insurrection and that's what they called it.
Not everyone in the protest joined the insurrection, however. Those who attacked police, broke into the Capitol and attempted to overturn the election were insurrectionists. The rest were not.

Now, depending on what Epps said, he possibly could be charged with inciting the insurrection as Trump was for telling his followers to go to the Capitol and fight for him.

As you know, a lot of people who did a lot worse, have not been charged. Bottom line? If this guy decides to sue, Fox better have good evidence that he was what they claimed he was.

It's far from over for them. Only the first lawsuit has been finished.

Oh, and you're still evading what hawkman was pointing out. Now that one of leftist players is being implicated in the events of Jan. 6th, they're backing away from their sensationist argument that it was an insurrection.

 

[Barbarian]

Oh, and you're still evading what @hawkman was pointing out.

I'm showing you that you've assumed what you proposed to prove. We have the accusations of a few media talkers like Tucker Carson, whom Fox now admits was lying about much of the insurrection.

I can see why. Everything points to Epps being a Trumper.

Now that one of leftist players is being implicated in the events of Jan. 6th

As I mentioned, up to you to shows us that he is. What do you have?

they're backing away from their sensationist argument that it was an insurrection.

Nope. But the key is that people are going to prison for their part in the insurrection. Some of them were actually stupid enough to plan the insurrection on social media. Not ever demonstrator or protestor was an insurrectionist, though. Some of them didn't even break any laws. Not surprisingly the insurrectionsts are the ones going to prison.