Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Growth The Church Age

netchaplain

Member
I believe that the failure of the Church to see that she is a separated, a called-out Body in the purpose of God, charged with a definite mission limited in its purpose and scope, and the endeavor to take from Israel her promises of earthly glory, and appropriate them over into this Church dispensation, has done more to swerve the Church from the appointed course than all other influences put together. It is not so much wealth, luxury, power, pomp, and pride that have served to deflect the Church from her appointed course, as the notion, founded upon Israelish Old Testament promises, that the Church is of the world, and that therefore, her mission is to improve the world. Promises which were given to Israel alone are quoted as justifying what we see all about us today.

The Church, therefore, has failed to follow her appointed pathway of separation, holiness, heavenliness and testimony to an absent but coming Christ; she has turned aside from that purpose to the work of civilizing the world, building magnificent temples, and acquiring earthly power and wealth, and in this way, has ceased to follow in the footsteps of Him who had not where to lay His head. Did you ever put side by side the promises given to the Church, and to Israel, and see how absolutely in contrast they are? It is impossible to mingle them.

The Jew was promised an earthly inheritance, earthly wealth, earthly honor, and earthly power. The Church is promised no such thing, but is pointed always to heaven as the place where she is to receive her rest and her reward. The promise to the Church is a promise of persecution, if faithful in this world, but a promise of a great inheritance and reward hereafter. In the meantime, she is to be a pilgrim body, passing through the scene, but abiding above.

In the New Testament we have the history of the Church down to the year 96. In the first chapter of Acts we have the birth of the Church, and oh, how beautiful she was in her first freshness of faith! It was a lovely manifestation of simplicity, unselfishness, holiness and spiritual power. Yet we pass on but a few years, and in the epistles to the Corinthians, what do we find? Paul writes, “I hear there are divisions among you.” They began then, and they have never ceased to this day. In the second and third chapters of Revelation we have the condition of the Church at that time; full of works still (each is addressed with “I know your works”—NC), but fallen from its first love.

After Ephesus, AD 96, comes the period of persecution. For three centuries the Church was in awful persecution. Then came a great change. The Emperor Constantine professed conversion, and Christianity became the court religion. Then the tables were turned and the Church began to persecute! And, of all things she should never have done, she became the persecutrix of the Jews! The Church, saved by faith in the Messiah who came from the Jews; having in her hand the Bible which was written by the Jews; receiving her teaching solely and only though Jewish sources, became, for one thousand years, the bitter, relentless, bloody persecutor of Judaism. With that came worldliness and priestly assumption, and the Dark Ages.

Then in the fifteenth century, came the Reformation out of which have come protestant movements of various kinds. The Bible was put into the hands of the people, and has been translated into many tongues. With an open Bible came light and liberty again, but never union again. On the contrary, division followed division; sect followed sect. It is true that the great body of the churches believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, but they have turned aside the greater part of their resources, to the attempt to reform the world, to educate the world, and, in short, to anticipate the next dispensation in which those things belong, and to do the work that is distinctly set apart for restored and converted Israel (Jer 31:31; Ezek 36:26) in her Kingdom Age.

Is the Gospel then a failure? God forbid! The Gospel never failed, and can never fail. God’s Word by the Gospel is accomplishing precisely the mission which was foreseen and foretold for it, that whereunto if was sent. And we must not forget, either, that the Gospel will yet bring the world (those out of the world—NC) to the Savior. It is not at all a question of the ultimate triumph of the blessed Lord. The heathen may rage and the people imagine vain things, but the Father will yet set His King on His holy hill in Zion. Converted Israel, glorified saints, even a mighty angel shall yet proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom, and “the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow into it” (Isa 2:2). “The earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea” (Isa 11:9). All this will surly come to pass, for the Lord hath spoken it—but not in this dispensation. This is the age (dispensation—NC) of the “ecclesia”—of the called out ones.

Let me ask you, what is God doing in this age of ours? Is He not taking out of the Gentiles a people? A few Jews are being converted, for Paul tells us there is always a remnant in Israel according to the election of grace (Rom 11:5), but the great, the altogether vast majority of the Church is taken out of the Gentiles. This we all see. To believe this is not at all a matter of faith, but of simple observation. Not, anywhere, the conversion of all, but everywhere, the taking out of some. The evangelization of the world, then, and not its conversion, is the mission committed to the Church (Matt 28:19—NC). To do this, to preach the Gospel unto the uttermost parts of the earth, to offer salvation to every creature, is our responsibility. It is the divinely appointed means for the calling out of a people for His Name, the Church, and the “Ecclesia.”

Further, the purpose of the Father in this age is not the establishment of the Kingdom. The Old Testament prophets tell us in perfectly simple, unambiguous language how the Kingdom is to be brought in, who is to be its ruler, and the extent and character of the rule, and the result in the universal prevalence of peace and righteousness. Alas, nothing would suffice but the bringing of the Prophets bodily over into this Church age! This is the irremediable disaster which the wild allegorizing of Origen and his school has inflicted upon exegesis. The intermingling of Church purpose with Kingdom purpose palsied evangelization for thirteen hundred years, and is today the heavy clog upon the feet of them who preach the glad tidings.

See how inevitably so. The Kingdom applies spiritual forces to the solution of material problems. How shall man live long and wisely? The Kingdom is the answer. How shall exact justice be done on earth? The Kingdom provides for it. When shall wars and human butchery cease in this blood-saturated earth? When the Kingdom is set up by the King Himself. When shall creation give up to men her potential secrets? In the Kingdom age. When shall the earth be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea? When the King and His Kingdom are here.

Of all these things the O.T. prophets are full. We turn to the N.T. and find what? The birth of the King, the heralding of the Kingdom as “at hand,” the announcement in the Sermon on the Mount of the principles of the Kingdom, the utter refusal of Israel to receive her King, the passing of the Kingdom into the mixed and veiled condition set forth in the seven parables of Matthew Thirteen, its full revelation being postponed till “the harvest,” which is fixed definitely “at the end of this age.” And then the Kingdom being thus postponed, what is revealed as filling and occupying this age? The Church! Christians, let us leave the government of the world till the King comes; let us give our time, our strength, our money, our days to the mission distinctively committed to the Church, namely, to make the Lord Jesus Christ known “to every creature.”

- C I Scofield
 
Now that was very nice to read. Truth on these forums.

Thank you Netchaplin...... C I Scolfield,Darby,Chafer and many others had it spot on IMO.
 
Now that was very nice to read. Truth on these forums.

Thank you Netchaplin...... C I Scolfield,Darby,Chafer and many others had it spot on IMO.
Hi GG and thanks for complimenting the material and for your reply. I agree with you comment and I'm expecting lots of comments and questions from this one on all the sites I post because I've been, for a long time now, wanting to get into the open, the truths concerning where Israel is and where the Church is with God.

God's blessings to your Family!
 
The way I see the article “The Church Age” is that the generality of the contemporary Church is still much at an immature conformity (Rom 8:29), which of-course is what God is ever addressing (2 Cor 3:18; Phil 2:13).

The Church's goal is not to make this a better world by improving those who are worldly and improve worldly systems, but to be used to reach the worldly with Christianity in ways that does not present an appearance that the Church is also worldly.
 
Hi Sinthesis - Thanks for your reply. For me to reply to it I would need to know your comprehension of "futurism."
Perhaps I'm guilty of wild allegorizing, but I view the so called church age of the world as analogous to the individual Christian's life after conversion yet before physical death. So I see the Kingdom here and now, spreading throughout the world and changing it for the better. I don't believe the church, as the Body of Christ working throughout the world, is doomed to fail humanity, any more than I would believe the Holy Spirit working in a Christian's heart is doomed to fail a believer's soul.
 
So I see the Kingdom here and now, spreading throughout the world and changing it for the better. I don't believe the church, as the Body of Christ working throughout the world, is doomed to fail humanity, any more than I would believe the Holy Spirit working in a Christian's heart is doomed to fail a believer's soul.

Thanks for your clarification. True, the unseen Kingdom of God, which "cometh not with observation" is internal within the Christian (the Father, through life of Christ and His Spirit, what They bring, etc.), which the world (generality of mankind) does not see or is familiar with, which will eventually be external and become unavoidably seen by all (Luke 17:20-24).

Humanity in general is going to perish and this is becoming more axiomatic all the time. Many do not yet realize that it has already been revealed by the Lord Jesus that humanity, in a general sense (majority of mankind), is going to perish (Matt 7:13, 14), thus the Church is being used by God to continue to "draw" His own out from the majority of mankind.
 
The way I see the article “The Church Age” is that the generality of the contemporary Church is still much at an immature conformity (Rom 8:29), which of-course is what God is ever addressing (2 Cor 3:18; Phil 2:13).

The Church's goal is not to make this a better world by improving those who are worldly and improve worldly systems, but to be used to reach the worldly with Christianity in ways that does not present an appearance that the Church is also worldly.

I Agree 100%. We are to be a light to this world. This "world" and "system" is an anesthetic to the human. we are not to "clean" up this world. We are called to offer a light(Christ) to this world. Not to try to get rid of the "Anesthetic" or the "system".
 
Thanks for your clarification. True, the unseen Kingdom of God, which "cometh not with observation" is internal within the Christian (the Father, through life of Christ and His Spirit, what They bring, etc.), which the world (generality of mankind) does not see or is familiar with, which will eventually be external and become unavoidably seen by all (Luke 17:20-24).

Humanity in general is going to perish and this is becoming more axiomatic all the time. Many do not yet realize that it has already been revealed by the Lord Jesus that humanity, in a general sense (majority of mankind), is going to perish (Matt 7:13, 14), thus the Church is being used by God to continue to "draw" His own out from the majority of mankind.

The Christian is not to keep the light of the Kingdom to himself, but is to share it externally through the manner of his life so that the rest of the world is unable to avoid perceiving the difference. Luke 17:20-24 is Jesus telling us we don't need a physically present Messiah to lead us, and those who feel they do are in danger of following false messiahs. The light of Jesus' Kingdom is not limited by His physical location.

Axiomatic thinking is a problem most areas. Matt 7:13, 14 has a different significance if you understand Jesus is directing His teaching to a Jewish audience. It is only a minority of Jews who would follow Him, but as for the rest of mankind He will claim a great multitude which no man can number Rev 7:9. We will eventually be the majority because He doesn't draw us to Himself to keep us from the world, but changes, protects, and sends us out into the world for more converts. This is how the Stone the builders rejected becomes a Mountain that fills the earth Dan 2:35. We shouldn't display a siege mentality when we know God is with us.
 
The Christian is not to keep the light of the Kingdom to himself, but is to share it externally through the manner of his life so that the rest of the world is unable to avoid perceiving the difference. Luke 17:20-24 is Jesus telling us we don't need a physically present Messiah to lead us, and those who feel they do are in danger of following false messiahs. The light of Jesus' Kingdom is not limited by His physical location.

Axiomatic thinking is a problem most areas. Matt 7:13, 14 has a different significance if you understand Jesus is directing His teaching to a Jewish audience. It is only a minority of Jews who would follow Him, but as for the rest of mankind He will claim a great multitude which no man can number Rev 7:9. We will eventually be the majority because He doesn't draw us to Himself to keep us from the world, but changes, protects, and sends us out into the world for more converts. This is how the Stone the builders rejected becomes a Mountain that fills the earth Dan 2:35. We shouldn't display a siege mentality when we know God is with us.

Hi Sinthesis - I like the manner of your replies because they show your desire to dig deep. It may due to the way I replied to you or something else, but I believe you've misunderstood me. I'm trying to determine where you got the understanding (unless I'm misinterpreting you - first half of first sentence) that I intended the Christian is not to share the Gospel, and I'm not saying this out of distaste, but just wanting to know, so I can to try to share with you concerning what I mean.

It's true that in Matthew, Jesus is addressing the Jews, and such are the other three of the Gospels, for to the Jews only was He sent (Matt 15:24). The Lord wanted to address the Gentiles (of which the majority of His Church will consist) mostly through Paul, while He was in His glory (Acts 9:3-6). This is also why He limited the Twelve to the Jews in their outreach (Matt 10:5, 6) . Thus, truths in the Gospels were eventually revealed and intended to the rest of the world ("Jew first then the Gentile"), to "draw" His own from among the world.

I thought I had already posted my article on this site entitled "Majority of Mankind Will Perish" but after checking I discovered I have not. So, I owe an apology to the viewers for sharing it in that way, because the concept at first seemed fatalistic to me during my research on it and has the same affect on all who view it. This is also why I always conclude this concept with the reason for it, which is to heighten the urgency of outreach, and encourage more gratefulness for salvation.

I believe what Jesus revealed in Matthew 7:13, 14 concerns all of mankind, and that the "road to destruction" includes all of the ungodly (unbelievers), not just those among the Jews. This is also why Scripture uses the phrase "the world" mostly in a condemning sense, because the majority of mankind has always consisted of unbelievers. My understanding is that even though God knew the majority would perish, He did it for those He knew would not perish. Pretty tough love!

I also could have withheld my concept of Matthew 7:13, 14 because it is an entirely another subject of its own, and has a rough appearance in its initial contact. I shared it because I thought it would aid in making my reply more explanatory, but after discovering I have not shared it, I believe it was an unwise use of it.

My concept of the Lord's usage of the "few" and the "many" is that He was speaking in a comparative sense, e.g. even though the amount of people among the saved and the unsaved will be great (Rev 7:9; Rev 20:8), He meant that those who will be saved, will be few, in comparison to those who will not be saved, which is most obvious (axiomatic--self evident) in society.
 
Hi Sinthesis - I like the manner of your replies because they show your desire to dig deep. It may due to the way I replied to you or something else, but I believe you've misunderstood me. I'm trying to determine where you got the understanding (unless I'm misinterpreting you - first half of first sentence) that I intended the Christian is not to share the Gospel, and I'm not saying this out of distaste, but just wanting to know, so I can to try to share with you concerning what I mean.

It's true that in Matthew, Jesus is addressing the Jews, and such are the other three of the Gospels, for to the Jews only was He sent (Matt 15:24). The Lord wanted to address the Gentiles (of which the majority of His Church will consist) mostly through Paul, while He was in His glory (Acts 9:3-6). This is also why He limited the Twelve to the Jews in their outreach (Matt 10:5, 6) . Thus, truths in the Gospels were eventually revealed and intended to the rest of the world ("Jew first then the Gentile"), to "draw" His own from among the world.

I thought I had already posted my article on this site entitled "Majority of Mankind Will Perish" but after checking I discovered I have not. So, I owe an apology to the viewers for sharing it in that way, because the concept at first seemed fatalistic to me during my research on it and has the same affect on all who view it. This is also why I always conclude this concept with the reason for it, which is to heighten the urgency of outreach, and encourage more gratefulness for salvation.

I believe what Jesus revealed in Matthew 7:13, 14 concerns all of mankind, and that the "road to destruction" includes all of the ungodly (unbelievers), not just those among the Jews. This is also why Scripture uses the phrase "the world" mostly in a condemning sense, because the majority of mankind has always consisted of unbelievers. My understanding is that even though God knew the majority would perish, He did it for those He knew would not perish. Pretty tough love!

I also could have withheld my concept of Matthew 7:13, 14 because it is an entirely another subject of its own, and has a rough appearance in its initial contact. I shared it because I thought it would aid in making my reply more explanatory, but after discovering I have not shared it, I believe it was an unwise use of it.

My concept of the Lord's usage of the "few" and the "many" is that He was speaking in a comparative sense, e.g. even though the amount of people among the saved and the unsaved will be great (Rev 7:9; Rev 20:8), He meant that those who will be saved, will be few, in comparison to those who will not be saved, which is most obvious (axiomatic--self evident) in society.

I apologize for not being clear. I'm sure you believe the Gospel is to be shared throughout the world. I just wanted to connect the sharing of the Gospel by the Body of Christ in the fallen world, with a sign typically reserved for the second physical coming. It is a type-antitype thing whereby the light of the Gospel is already throughout the world so that when Christ does come again nobody can claim an excuse. Things get even more interesting when one acknowledges more than one definition of 'world'.

The majority vs minority is an outlook that I believe relates to optimism vs pessimism. With Christ on our side I am an optimist, so I just explore the ramifications of that. Ultimately it is clear that Christ, in His humanity an absolute minority consisting of just one human, is also God, therefore an absolute majority of One. His divinity guarantees Jesus' victory over sin, so what are the spoils? Ultimately I just don't believe Satan will at the end of time have claimed more souls than God. This could appear otherwise depending on any boundaries within the population such as Jew vs Gentile. Yet this should in no way alleviate the urgency of an individual to accept salvation.
 
Thanks Sinthesis for another reply, and I was most suspecting there could be a misunderstanding on my part of what you shared.
 
Back
Top