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The Coming of Christ and The Judgment!!

The Coming of Christ
and the Judgement


We live in a world that is becoming increasingly violent. I was listening this week to a British politician complaining on a news bulletin about the steep rise in crime and violence over the past few years. I’m sure this is the same wherever you live. It is not safe to go out at night in many, many places of the world.

It reminds us of the situation in Noah’s day, some 4,500 years ago.

"The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth" (Gen 6:11-13).

Noah had to build a huge ark to bear witness to his contemporaries that God was going to destroy that generation by a flood, and that unless they repented and entered the ark, they would perish. They chose to ignore the warnings of Noah, and carried on life to the full instead. They scoffed at this man building a boat miles from the sea. In due time God’s judgements were poured out and they perished.

The Lord’s warning

It is none other than the Lord Jesus who warns us that at his return there will be a similar situation to that of Noah’s day. How striking are his words:

"But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matt 24:37-39).

Although God promised Noah that He would never again totally destroy the earth by means of a Flood, yet Jesus’ warning indicates that there are judgements to come for the godless of the generation that sees the coming of the Lord Jesus.

The coming of Christ and the judgement in the lst century

As Bible students, it is important that we recognize that Jesus’ words concerning the days of Noah had their first fulfillment in the 1st century, in the days of the people he was addressing. The Lord instructed the 12 disciples in the preaching work they were to carry out. Like Noah, many centuries before, they were to speak of God’s judgements which would be poured out. When Jesus promised them the Comforter, he outlined the words they must speak:

"And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgement, because the prince of this world is judged." (John 16:8-11)

So the apostles preached:

Of sin because the leaders had rejected and crucified the Messiah.

Of righteousness because Christ’s resurrection was God’s seal of approval on his life, and the leaders still refused to accept him as Messiah...

Of Judgement because the actions of the leaders had brought a sentence of destruction upon themselves. (Literally—the ruling power of this cosmos has been condemned.)

Josephus, the Jewish historian, bears record of the violence and lawlessness of the Jewish people in the years following the crucifixion. They were most terribly punished for their rejection of their Messiah. Within 40 years of Christ’s crucifixion, the Roman armies came and destroyed Jerusalem. The legions of Titus fulfilled the words of Jesus who spoke thus of the Temple buildings:

"See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." (Matt. 24:3)

As well as bringing to an end Jewish worship at the Temple, many hundreds of thousands of Jews perished. Others were taken away and sold as slaves, flooding the slave markets. The Jewish nation disappeared from the map.

To an onlooker it would appear that this was merely the work of a Roman army, tired of the rebelliousness of the Jews. Jesus, however, had made it clear that God was going to use the Romans as His instrument of punishment. In the parable of the Vineyard he summed up with the words:

"When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons." (Matt 21:40-41)

He followed this with the parable of the Wedding garment, where he foretold the punishment of those who would not listen to the call.

"But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city." (Mat 22:7)

In a very real way, the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem were a coming of Jesus. A coming to punish. He used the Roman armies to fulfill his will. (See also Dan 9:24-27 where they are described as the people of Messiah the prince).

Indeed, 1600 years earlier, Moses, before the Israelites had even entered the land of promise, warned that because of their future disobedience:

"The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young..." (Deut. 28:49-50)

The rest of this chapter in Deuteronomy goes on to describe in graphic detail the work of the yet-to-be-founded nation of Rome in the punishments poured out upon the nation of Israel in the first century AD,

The Imminent coming of Christ and the judgement.

The lesson that this teaches us is that God uses nations to perform His punishments upon disobedient nations. It guides us as to how God will act upon our generation that sees these words of Jesus being fulfilled again, when he returns—this time to be King. This time it will be a time of Judgement for Jews and Gentiles and also believers!

· For Jews it will be a time of judgement and testing of their faith. Punishment for their present-day trust in their own strength to decide their destiny. A testing of the faith of a faithful remnant who will later enjoy the blessings of the Kingdom.

· For the Gentiles it will be a punishment for their violence, godlessness and anti-semitism.

· For the believers it will be time of the resurrection and the Judgement Seat, which is a necessary preparation for the step of immortality.

These are three different, but important areas which we will now concentrate on.

To be cont'd..........................................................
 
· For the Gentiles it will be a punishment for their violence, godlessness and anti-semitism.

This is an interesting remark.

Will the gentiles only be punished for their discrimination and prejudice against the Jewish religion? How about their attitude towards Christians and Muslims and others? Will they be punished for that?

Will the Jews be punished for their racism too? Or are they immune?

Heres a recent example just incase you dont think it doesn't happen:

Israeli Sephardic leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel…Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi [Arabic, meaning lord or master] and eat,â€

“With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,â€


 
Strangelove said'

This is an interesting remark.

Will the gentiles only be punished for their discrimination and prejudice against the Jewish religion? How about their attitude towards Christians and Muslims and others? Will they be punished for that?

Will the Jews be punished for their racism too? Or are they immune?

Heres a recent example just incase you dont think it doesn't happen:

Elvispelvis"
By the way strangelove that is one of the best movies portraying the insanity of man " Mr President we must not have a mineshaft gap"

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The present day Jew is blind in part so like all other religions there are radicals who do not speak for the whole.
Please do not try to say this Rabbi speaks for all Jews.
My friend Rabbi Green and the other Rabbi's welcome me with open arms as Noahide or the one who follows Noah's law. Yet they know I am a gentile. I am allowed to enter the sanctuary and touch the scrolls.
As i like to remind everyone Yeshua is Jew.

Will the Jews be punished ?
Wow 2/3 or millions will be killed at ARMAGEDDON.

Zec 14:1 ¶ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

A Prophecy Against Gog Ezk 38 read all

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [fn1] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of [fn2] Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush [fn3] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

7 †‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

Soon nuclear war will destroy many Jews and Arabs. All the nations around Israel, Muslims, Islamists, Arabs, Turks, Syrians, Iranians, attack Israel and are destroyed by Yeshua the jew.

Read all of Ps 2 !!

The Gentiles and the Kings of the earth attack Yeshua the Jew calling Him the Anti-Christ because He is a Jew.

The Gentiles have for years told fables of a future antichrist so here is their proof Yeshua the Jew denounces all
christians as pagans so they attack him.

You say that is impossible?
Ps 2
1 Why do the nations conspire [fn1] and the peoples plot in vain?

2 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord

and against his Anointed One. [fn2]

3 “Let us break their chains,†they say, “and throw off their fetters.â€

The Gentiles refuse to bow to a Jew.

Please study the old testament.
 
The present day Jew is blind in part so like all other religions there are radicals who do not speak for the whole.
Please do not try to say this Rabbi speaks for all Jews.
My friend Rabbi Green and the other Rabbi's welcome me with open arms as Noahide or the one who follows Noah's law. Yet they know I am a gentile. I am allowed to enter the sanctuary and touch the scrolls.

As i like to remind everyone Yeshua is Jew.

Oh.....WOW!

This is indeed a landmark moment in my career as a Christian. I have finally met a real life Noahide.

Well....I dont quite know where to start.

I guess the first question I would like to ask you is...um....

What is your understanding of the first Noahide Law regarding idolatry?

and.....Do you still consider yourself a Christian?
 
strangelove said'
..Do you still consider yourself a Christian?

Elvispelvis:
Are you making fun of me?

Please define what a christian is?

Is Yeshua a christian?

Where does it say in the Bible we must become a christian?

How many times does the word christian appear in the bible?

Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Salvation is of the Jews. All the writers in the new testament are Jews.
Are you a christian?
 
Are you making fun of me?

Not in the slightest. What would give you that impression?

Please define what a christian is?

Someone who accepts Jesus as Lord and saviour and attempts to follow His commandments of love and worship Him not only as the fleshly manifestation of the Son of God but as God HIMSELF!

Is Yeshua a christian?

Jesus is God. Christians worship Jesus.

Where does it say in the Bible we must become a christian?

No...its just something we call ourselves. Its a modern term thats pretty standard dude. Your on a Christian website.....?.....?....?

Salvation is of the Jews. All the writers in the new testament are Jews.

Salvation is of the Jews indeed. Jesus was talking about HIMSELF as the salvation. If Jews accept Jesus as the Christ they will be saved. If they deny Him they are Antichrist.

What is the relevance that all the writers in the new testament are Jews? I dont see the point in this.

Are you a christian?

I certainly am. I praise Jesus. I worship Him and accept Him as the Son of God and as God Himself.

Seeing as the 1st Noahide Law EXPRESSLY forbids this.......


.....I ask again.....do you consider yourself to be Christian?
 
strangelove...........................

Quote Originally Posted by Elvispelvis View Post
Please define what a christian is?
Someone who accepts Jesus as Lord and saviour and attempts to follow His commandments of love and worship Him not only as the fleshly manifestation of the Son of God but as God HIMSELF!

Quote Originally Posted by Elvispelvis View Post
Is Yeshua a christian?
Jesus is God. Christians worship Jesus.

Quote Originally Posted by Elvispelvis View Post
Where does it say in the Bible we must become a christian?
No...its just something we call ourselves. Its a modern term thats pretty standard dude. Your on a Christian website.....?.....?....?

Elvispelvis said:

Why can you not admit Yeshua is a Jew not a christian?

The point of all the writers being Jews is that they still are Jews, not christians and when they return they will be Jews not christians.
In point of fact they have never heard of christians. You admit that the bible does not say anywhere to become a christian it is just something the churches made up!

Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

This future event shows that Judaism is the religion of the future!
You must ask yourself why did the Father raise His son to be a Jew?
There is no mention of christians in the kingdom of God!
Abraham ,Isaac, Israel, King David, Noah, Yeshua are not christians.

Your definitions of a christian are lacking many things so under your definiton I believe that Yeshua is
the only way, the truth, the life, and there is no other way to salvation but through Him.
Call that what you will.
Am I a christian like disgraced Jimmy Swaggert,,Jim Baker,etc, etc
Like 4,203 different christian churches" all collecting money for God"
If all the christian churches used their resources their would be no poverty on the earth.

You mean like those christians?
 
The Word Jew wasn't in the Bible either my friend. Not in the ancient texts and not in the origianl KJV 1611. What we call a Jew today Jesus was certainly not.

Jesus was:

1) a member of the tribe of Judah (King tribe, Jesus)2) a resident of the land of Judea

Thats as much as I would label Him. I will go into more detail on this if you wish but I'd rather stay focused on the Noahide Laws if you could explain some things please.


Your definitions of a christian are lacking many things so under your definiton I believe that Yeshua is the only way, the truth, the life, and there is no other way to salvation but through Him.

Huh? Under my definitions thats your position? What about YOUR definitions? If you think my definition is lacking can you correct it please.

Can you just tell me if you regard Jesus as a deity?

Is He the Son of God?

Do you worship Him as God?
 
How many times does the word christian appear in the bible?
The word itself appears:

Acts 11
(26) And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Acts 26
(28) Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1 Peter 4
(16) Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

And the concept of the word appear many more times.




All the writers in the new testament are Jews.
There has been debate over whether Luke was a Jew.

Both sides give their assumptions, but that's all it is .... ASSUMPTION.

Scripture does not give us the genealogy background of Luke.

To explicitly state that all writers in the New Testament are Jews is adding to scripture what is not there.
 
The word itself appears:

Acts 11
(26) And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Acts 26
(28) Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1 Peter 4
(16) Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

And the concept of the word appear many more times.

Oh Yeah!

Lolz. I didnt even know it was in there! Thanks Sissy. :thumbsup

Christians - Χριστιανούς - christianous - STRONGS#5546 - Def. a Christian - from Christos

It's official. We're Christians.
 
Red emphasis is mine.
Soon nuclear war will destroy many Jews and Arabs. All the nations around Israel, Muslims, Islamists, Arabs, Turks, Syrians, Iranians, attack Israel and are destroyed by Yeshua the jew.

Read all of Ps 2 !!

The Gentiles and the Kings of the earth attack Yeshua the Jew calling Him the Anti-Christ because He is a Jew.

The Gentiles have for years told fables of a future antichrist so here is their proof Yeshua the Jew denounces all
christians as pagans so they attack him.

You say that is impossible?
Ps 2
1 Why do the nations conspire [fn1] and the peoples plot in vain?

2 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord

and against his Anointed One. [fn2]

3 “Let us break their chains,†they say, “and throw off their fetters.â€

The Gentiles refuse to bow to a Jew.

Please study the old testament.
This is extremely misleading wording of the message.

Psalms 2 is not suggesting that the Anointed One is anointed because He's a Jew, but because He is the SON of GOD.

The nations refuse to bow to Him because He is the SON of GOD.
Psalms 2
(1) Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
(2) The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
(3) Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
(4) He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
(5) Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
(6) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
(7) I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
(8) Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
(9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
(10) Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
(11) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
(12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
 
No Jews in the old testament ? strangelove these verses tell of 100's of thousands of Jews.

Est 2:5 [Now] in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name [was] Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;

Est 3:4 Now it came to pass, when they spake daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand: for he had told them that he [was] a Jew.

Est 5:13 Yet all this availeth me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew sitting at the king's gate.

Est 6:10 Then the king said to Haman, Make haste, [and] take the apparel and the horse, as thou hast said, and do even so to Mordecai the Jew, that sitteth at the king's gate: let nothing fail of all that thou hast spoken.

Est 8:7 Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew, Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.

Est 9:29 Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.

Est 9:31 To confirm these days of Purim in their times [appointed], according as Mordecai the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had decreed for themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry.

Est 10:3 For Mordecai the Jew [was] next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the Jews, and accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his people, and speaking peace to all his seed.

Jer 34:9 That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, [being] an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, [to wit], of a Jew his brother.

Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

Yeshua taught in the synagogue did you know that.? Only Jews allowed to read in the synagogue!
Yeshua was called Rabbi did you know that.? Rabbi is a Jewish term for teacher of Judism.
Yeshua was sent to Israel to learn Judiasim.

Is Yeshua God. Not in any way shape or form. How can you kill God on the cross how foolish.
How can puny little man kill God on the cross. How did God an immortal die on the cross.
You make a mockery of the cross.

1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Did you know that this statement does not appear anywhere in the Bible .

God The Father, God The Son, God the Holy Spirit, yet christians do not care if its in the bible or not.

Please, please, Do not turn this into another stupid trinity discussion.
 
No Jews in the old testament ? strangelove these verses tell of 100's of thousands of Jews.

I just said the "word" Jew doesn't mean the same thing in the Bible as what it means today. Ok there were 100's of thousand of people who were residents of Judea in the bible. I dont see how thats relevant.

Yeshua taught in the synagogue did you know that.? Only Jews allowed to read in the synagogue!

Yeshua was called Rabbi did you know that.? Rabbi is a Jewish term for teacher of Judism.

Yeshua was sent to Israel to learn Judiasim.

Rabbi means teacher/master. Thats it.

Is that the mission of Jesus then? Thats it? To go to Isreal and learn Judaism?

Is Yeshua God. Not in any way shape or form. How can you kill God on the cross how foolish.
How can puny little man kill God on the cross. How did God an immortal die on the cross.
You make a mockery of the cross.

No one is saying "God died". Why would average Christians have faith in God if they thought God is dead?

As for Jesus is not God in any way shape or form>>>>>>> WOW.

Did you know that this statement does not appear anywhere in the Bible .

God The Father, God The Son, God the Holy Spirit, yet christians do not care if its in the bible or not.


2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.


4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God Elvis?
 
Strangelove said"

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God Elvis?

Elvispelvis :

Son of God yes definitely .

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Yeshua calls Him father.

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

I do not understand christian logic please help, you say Jesus is God and they killed Jesus on the cross so does
that not mean you killed God?

Yet when I ask you , you say that God did not die on the cross but Jesus did!!
Can you not see the foolishness of this position?

Now we know that you cannot kill God so explain how Jesus died?
Please give me bible verses not just your opinion.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Christians do not believe Yeshua is the son of God!
For how can He be God and the Son Of God at the same time!!

Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

When you say Yeshua is God then you deny He came in the flesh!!

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.


Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Do you believe He is the son of God?
 
Is Jesus God?

I say yes. So do other Christians. Maybe if you disagree you can argue your case over here. It's a brand new thread.

http://www.christianforums.net/f17/jesus-really-god-31576/

Elvis>>>

Can a Christian remain a Christian and become a Noahide?

Where did the Noahide Laws originate from?

Do Noahides consider Christianity to be idol worship?

What is the punishment fpr breaking the Noahide Laws?

If you could use quote boxes that would be very helpful. You simply highlight someones text and hit the wrap quote button in your toolbar. Thx.

 
Back on subject. JUDGEMENT at Christ's Coming.
First He comes before the 1000 years. All is Finally DECIDED in Eternal Life or Eternal DEATH.
He says that He brings HIS REWARD with Him.Rev, 22:12

And we see Eccl. 12:13-14 being the 'Whole Duty of man.. [Mankind!].

And we are told that when Christ comes again that All of the Heavenly angels also come, and that Christ COMES WITH HIS MAJESTIC GLORY. (Mike has a thread on Rev. 1.. see verse 15!)
It is only the CHANGED Saints & the First Resurrected Saints that can live at this sight & all the rest of the wicked die with the non/resurrected wicked at this time. (2 Thess. 8-9)

OK: A 1000 year lapse. All wicked are DEAD. The Saints are with Christ in heaven. And are taking part in the FINAL Judgement of [all the Eternally to be lost Wicked]. Remember that when Christ came that He DOCUMENTED that He had brought HIS REWARD WITH HIM! And these ALL were Judged by RECORD BOOKS alone!

Now: Judgement. We find that any one saved will have a LARGE PART in this phase of the Executional of the Wicked. 1 Cor. 6:2-3. + Obad. 1:16 + *Luke 12:47-48 for who will suffer the longest in hell's lake of fire?

SO: There are seen TWO JUDGEMENTS here 1000 years apart. Here is another thought. We found that Paul was talking about judgement even here on earth within the church. And that it was a necessary Truth! Yet what does one hear from the church membership + pastors
today?:screwloose And that is not the thinking of the saved ones when Christ comes again, huh?

Again take note that if that is one of us?? what it will be like to come upon a name.. of say, a close friend of the forum? even one of the 'mods', or.. one of our children, wife, brother or flesh sister or mom or dad, and find that it was my being just way to [liberal] & being just wanting to be 'loved' that (at that time) that they were not warned & were lost. (or did not want the prophecy of Matt. 10:25 said about us!)

These might do a read on Eze. 9 FACT!

--Elijah​
 
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elijah674 said
And we are told that when Christ comes again that All of the Heavenly angels also come, and that Christ COMES WITH HIS MAJESTIC GLORY. (Mike has a thread on Rev. 1.. see verse 15!)
It is only the CHANGED Saints & the First Resurrected Saints that can live at this sight & all the rest of the wicked die with the non/resurrected wicked at this time. (2 Thess. 8-9)

Elvispelvis"

Concerning the throne of personal judgment, the Apostle wrote:

“We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad” (2 Cor 5:10).

There is then, a time when men shall be called upon to stand before the enthroned Messiah, and give account of the deeds they have performed during their lives. But who will be summoned to the Master’s judgment-throne?

Who are the ‘We’ of which the Apostle speaks? Evidently, it includes himself and others - but which others?
All those who have been baptized? Or all those who have received the commandment to repent, that they may be judged according to their response to it?

This is an important question, not least because it will have a direct bearing upon the Gospel that we preach. Paul preached judgment as part of his Gospel, even to the extent of using the promise of coming judgment to persuade men to repent: “knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men” (2 Cor 5:11; Cp Acts 17:30,31).

If we wish to be found preaching the same Gospel as Paul, using the doctrines he used to persuade men to repent and submit to the authority of Christ, we need to be sure of what class of men are going to be considered responsible enough to give account of themselves before the Lord of all flesh. Unless we can establish this, we will be in no position to teach men how they stand in relation to their Maker; whether or not he makes any demands upon them, whether or not they are obliged to respond if so, or whether they can freely disobey with no consequence .
 
“We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad†(2 Cor 5:10).

There is then, a time when men shall be called upon to stand before the enthroned Messiah, and give account of the deeds they have performed during their lives. But who will be summoned to the Master’s judgment-throne?

How can Christ the Messiah be sitting on the Judgement throne if He is (according to you) in no way, shape or form.....God?

If we wish to be found preaching the same Gospel as Paul, using the doctrines he used to persuade men to repent and submit to the authority of Christ, we need to be sure of what class of men are going to be considered responsible enough to give account of themselves before the Lord of all flesh. Unless we can establish this, we will be in no position to teach men how they stand in relation to their Maker; whether or not he makes any demands upon them, whether or not they are obliged to respond if so, or whether they can freely disobey with no consequence .

I'm sorry what?

What class of men?

The Grace of God through faith in Christ is the only thing needed to to give account of yourself before the Lord.

There is no other demand that God makes of Christians other than to have complete love in your heart for Almighty God and your fellow man.

What is your solution Elvis?

What class of men do you consider to be responsible? What "demands" does God make on them?
 
Stranglove said;
How can Christ the Messiah be sitting on the Judgement throne if He is (according to you) in no way, shape or form.....God?

Elvispelvis said"

By the way my old mac computer does not seem to have wrap in the tool bar.

Your statement is an opinion that The Christ needs to be God to judge, so did the Jews accuse him of blasphemy
not understanding the scriptures.
Jhn 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,,,,,,,,,,,, The Son can do nothing of himself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Ps 2
4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them.
5 Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,

6 "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill."

The heavenly Father makes Yeshua, King, Judge and Priest.

7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, "You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.

8 Ask of me,and I will make the nations your inheritance,the ends of the earth your possession.
Look closely at the way the Father talks to the son, He says ask of me and I will give it to you. The Father is giving the power over to His son.

9 You will rule them with an iron scepter;you will dash them to pieces like pottery."
This is the Judgment Seat of Christ destroying all the kings of the earth with the power given to Him By The Heavenly Father.
10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way,for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

How can the Christ judge the world, because The Father gives the power to the son.
 
Again I ask you to come over to this thread and discuss the deity of Christ:

http://www.christianforums.net/f17/jesus-really-god-31576/

You said you didnt want this thread to become a trinity debate.

Why are you ignoring the bulk of my questions?

Both in post #15 and in my last post?

If I made a thread called "Questions for our Noahide Member" would you be willing to contribute and share your thoughts on the noahide faith?
 
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