[_ Old Earth _] The creation of Adam and neanderthals

[neanderthal]

The Bible says that man was created about 6,000 years ago according to the genealogies, science have proven otherwise:

Genetic evidence from a comparison of human and Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) shows that while chimpanzee and human lineages diverged over five million years ago, the Neanderthals diverged over 550,000 to 690,000 years ago. Other data places this estimate at between 365,000 and 853,000 years ago (Ovchinnikov, et al, 2000) and 465,000 before present with confidence limits of 317,000 and 741,000 (Krings, 1999) . Human trunk and limb bones of Homo antecessor , recovered from the Gran Dolina site, in the Sierra de Atapuerca (Burgos, Spain) have been dated at about 780,000 old and are said to represent the last common ancestor for H. sapiens (modern humans) and H. neanderthalensis (Neanderthals) (Carretero et al , 1999). Living humans have on average eight differences in the 378-unit DNA strand investigated, while the Neanderthal differed in 27 places and the chimpanzees differ in 55 places. Further, the mtDNA sequence of Neanderthals was equally distant from all modern groups of humans. Two other studies gave similar differences between humans, neanderthals and chimpanzees, putting the Neanderthals outside the range of modern human mtDNA and therefore a different species. The two Neanderthal individuals studied differed from each other in 12 base pairs. By comparison, 37% of modern Africans differ by 12 or more base pairs, while for Europeans and Asians, the diversity is much less (<1%). Research by Knight (2003) strongly confirmed the deeply divergent histories for modern human mtDNA lineages and the known Neanderthal mtDNA.

anyone care to comment on this? :

 

[Featherbop]

Apparently, neanderthal, your grammar
hasn't evolved completely yet. :

 

[neanderthal]

Apparently, neanderthal, your grammar
hasn't evolved completely yet. :

NOT COOL!

 

[Featherbop]

Please, evolve a sense of humor.

 

[Heidi]

Actually, i just watched a documentary on the History Channel where they said that men collected rocks that they said were bones and put them together to invent a thing that they called a dinosaur and another thing that they called a neanderthal. I could go outside or into the mountains and find small pieces of rocks, put them together to make them look like anything I wanted and make up a name for them. And then I could say these things lived long before recorded history, let's say, 1,000,000 years ago, no, maybe 2,000,000 years ago which would give me a built-in reason why no one has ever seen these things. Then I'd add that they simply died out before man came. Then athere would be no way to disprove my claim. All I'd have to do is complete coursework at any University, so I have letters after my name and everyone would think I was telling the truth! I'd probably also get rich!

 

[Chupacabra]

I think it'd be fairly difficult to find a rock that just so happens to be shaped like a dinosaur skull in the same vicinity of a pile of bones that just so happen to resemble vertebrae, leg bones, and teeth.

 

[Drew]

Actually, i just watched a documentary on the History Channel where they said that men collected rocks that they said were bones and put them together to invent a thing that they called a dinosaur and another thing that they called a neanderthal. I could go outside or into the mountains and find small pieces of rocks, put them together to make them look like anything I wanted and make up a name for them. And then I could say these things lived long before recorded history, let's say, 1,000,000 years ago, no, maybe 2,000,000 years ago which would give me a built-in reason why no one has ever seen these things. Then I'd add that they simply died out before man came. Then athere would be no way to disprove my claim. All I'd have to do is complete coursework at any University, so I have letters after my name and everyone would think I was telling the truth! I'd probably also get rich!

These sorts of arguments only serve to re-inforce the view that Christians are willfully ignorant of the facts. The implication that the scientific community is somehow collaborating in a massive world-wide conspiracy to manufacture a false story of earth's history is frankly astonishing. In respect to such patently absurd claims such as a 6000 year old universe, we Christians can choose to see the world as it really is and retain some semblence of credibility or we can continue to be snickered at (and rightly so) for our shoddy thinking.

 

[unred typo]

Dear Heidi, while a healthy dose of skepticism is essential, remember, paranoia will destroy ya…. :wink:

I am a YEC and by definition of some people, that makes me “willfully ignorant of the facts.†I think I have a stricter criteria for calling evidence, facts, but I also try to keep an open mind…and a sense of humor. Some of the shoddy excuses for evidence is pretty funny stuff, btw. :-D

 

[Barabbas]

When I was in college, my Anthropology professor claimed to have seen a perfect Neanderthal specimen walking up out of the subway system in London. Of course that was back in the 70s, so I don't know if Neanderthals are around anymore.
Yol Bolsun.

 

[Barbarian]

Not long ago, I was explaining Neandertals to my 12-year-old daughter.

"They were broad and very muscular, with big heads and large noses..."

She looked at me with an odd expression, and said;

"Uhh... Dad?"

 

[TheStudent]

the islamic viewpoint, as usual, fits in with science.

muslims believe that creation did evolve but in significant stages not gradualy. this is proven in the fact that archelogists can never seem to find the 'in-between' stages of any creature. they only find the before and after.

in fact 'The Evolover' is one of the 99 names of God as written in the Quran.

 

[Barbarian]

the islamic viewpoint, as usual, fits in with science.

Many faiths fit with science. That's why Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. can all do science.

muslims believe that creation did evolve but in significant stages not gradualy. this is proven in the fact that archelogists can never seem to find the 'in-between' stages of any creature. they only find the before and after.

If that's the test, then Islam is falsified. Horses, forams, and others can be shown to have evolved gradually. Most evolution isn't like that, but there's plenty of gradualism, also. Fortunately, this does not invalidate Islam, which does not depend on science.

in fact 'The Evolover' is one of the 99 names of God as written in the Quran.

You mean "Evolver?"