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The Da Vinci Codes, The Big Lies

Lewis

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The Da Vinci Codes, is very dangerous it, will and is leading people astray. I am looking at the 700 Club as I type this. And they were interviewing people who had seen the movie. And guess what ? A lot of the peoples minds were twisted from this movie, and those who doubted were thrown into even further doubt about the divinity of Christ. This movie also draws on the rejected Biblical books
and the flawed council of Nicea and Trent. I even heard Plato in the mix.
My thing is, this is a dangerous movie, and Tom Hanks said people will believe what they want to believe. I have always been a fan of Tom Hanks, now I am not sure about that anymore. Jesus was not married and there is plenty proof of that. And there is no proof that He was. One guy who came out of the movie said Jesus could have been a woman. What kind of garbage is that ? One girl said she believes that Jesus is the son of God, but when asked if she thought the movie was true ? She said well yeah, it could be. This is just my point. The movie is dangerous.
 
I read quite a few online Christian commentaries, Fri-Sun, when this site seemed to be down

http://www.gospelcom.net put several more in their new Web Evangelism Bulletin:-

"People often ask, 'How much of The Da Vinci Code is true?' I wearily
answer that Paris is in France, London is in England, and Leonardo da
Vinci painted pictures. Let's look at four areas where Dan Brown's history is
bunk," says Sandra Miesel, medieval historian and co-author of The Da Vinci Hoax:
http://www.tothesource.org/5_3_2006/5_3_2006.htm

http://www.ChristianityToday.com has a range of other articles relating to the topic, for instance: 'Jesus Out of Focus' says.
"We really need the facts at our finger tips regarding the apocryphal
gospels, their dating, and how the biblical canon became formalized, if
we are to answer honest questions with more than wild opinions or silly
reactions."
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/006/10.24.html


It strongly makes the point that a main factor in DVC popularity is that the vast majority of folk know virtually nothing of the Bible or of early church history

In my break, just now, God reminded me that the most brilliant professor I studied under was Tony Casurella, whose most memorable lecture was @ Galatians 4:4 theme of the perfect timing of Christ's coming - (1 worldwide language, no passports, etc)

There was as much religious confusion then as now

Jesus did not kowtow to any of it


He boldly said, "I & the Father are one" - John 10:30

In John 14:6, He said, "I am THE way, THE truth & THE life: no-one comes to the Father except through Me

Back to print how He expanded & emphasised that He is God in John 14:7-11

When asked, at His trial, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the living God?" He said, in Matthew 26:64, "I am..& you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of God & coming on the clouds of Heaven"

The earliest & shortest creed was simply, "Jesus is Lord"

Only the Almighty Creator can be called 'the Lord' & the New Testament consistently calls Him "the Lord Jesus Christ"

John 1, Colossians 1 & Hebrews 1 are crystal clear that Jesus is none less than Creator God in human form

All false prophets, like Dan Brown, fall down on both the Deity of Christ & the way of salvation, so do see John 3, Romans 3, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:8-9, etc

Must go

Back to link the 2 DVC threads

Here's the main 1:-

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... highlight=

& the film 1:-

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... highlight=

Ian
 
I don't plan to see the movie or get any DVD's or books against the movie.
I have the truth in the Bible and that is all I need. For me to get involved in disputing a movie, I would have to not buy the Christian material I need to teach truth and I would have to give up teaching time to teach truth.

I have a pastor friend who saw the movie and he said he agreed with the critics. It isn't going to win an oscar and the movie was full of holes. The movie mentioned DaVinci a couple of times but the movie wasn't even about DaVinci. He said it was a bad movie but my pastor friend has people who are probably going to ask him about the movie so I think that may be why he was motivated to go see it.
 
I am an atheist. The movie is poorly written, has plot holes, and doesn't follow the book very well. I know that the movie is fiction and it has not impacted my view of christianity.

I have a number of christian friends. They tell me that the movie is poorly written, has plot holes, and doesn't follow the book very well. They know that the movie is fiction and has not impacted their view of christianity.

Honestly, I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
 
This Acts 2 quote today from http://www.crosswalk.com kinda underlines both the last 2 posts:-

42 They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles.
44 All the believers were together and had everything in common.
45 Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he
had need.
46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere
hearts,
47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. (NIV) Acts 2:42-47


It's like Josh McDowell's last TV comment, urging us to focus on proclaiming the truth in love, in the power of the Spirit, allowing the Holy Spirit to do His work in men's hearts

Just time to add in the latest word..

Live It!
Today's best advice for practical Christian living
http://www.Crosswalk.com

Faith and The Da Vinci Code
Dave Wyrtzen



"Like the murmurs of spirits in the darkness, forgotten words echoed. The
quest for the Holy Grail is the quest to kneel before the bones of Mary
Magdalene. A journey to pray at the feet of the outcast one.

With a sudden upwelling of reverence, Robert Langdon fell to his knees.

For a moment, he thought he heard a woman's voice--the wisdom of the
ages--whispering up from the chasms of the earth." (The Da Vinci Code)

This is the close of Dan Brown's mega selling fictional novel. Here's all
the mystery of dark murmuring spirits, the pride of discovering the ancient
secret, the code that only the initiated know, and all the knightly virtue
of coming to the rescue of an outcast damsel and defending the rights of
abused women everywhere, especially those disenfranchised by the male
dominated, authoritarian Church.

In interviews Brown smiles and simply states that it's fiction-a good
story. His desire is to generate an illuminating debate, but when Charles
Gibson pressed him on Good Morning America in 2003, Brown stated that if he had written the work as a nonfiction book, it would not have been
different. He spoke as a convert. He said he began researching the work as
a skeptic but two years of research in Europe convinced him. He became a
believer.

The author can't duck. He is talking about "faith," and as you read the
book and go to see the movie, according to his official website, he wants
you to join him in the attempt to decipher life's big mysteries and to join
him on the path of enlightenment.

As you walk this path, I want to challenge you to ask where Dan Brown is
taking you, what he wants you to believe, and whether you really want to go
this direction with him.


To help you I want to open the pages of his novel and help you see the plot
and listen to his characters as they express what they believe. At this
Truth Encounter web site I'll give us some basic questions to ask, allow
you to do some work for yourself, and then share with you my own
convictions.

A good place to start our DaVinci Code journey is with Brown's definition
of "faith" and "Christian." On his web site in response to the question,
"Are you a Christian?" he writes,

"Yes. Interestingly, if you ask three people what it means to be a
Christian, you will get three different answers. Some feel being baptized
is sufficient. Others feel you must accept the Bible as absolute historical
fact. Still others require a belief that all those who do not accept Christ
as their personal savior are doomed to hell. Faith is a continuum, and we
each fall on that line where we may. By attempting to rigidly classify
ethereal concepts like faith, we end up debating semantics to the point
where we entirely miss the obvious--that is, that we are all trying to
decipher life's big mysteries, and we're each following our own paths of
enlightenment. I consider myself a student of many religions. The more I
learn, the more questions I have. For me, the spiritual quest will be a
life-long work in progress."

Think about it:

According to this paragraph, how does Dan Brown define "Christian?"

How does he define "faith?"

What does he mean when he says "faith" is "ethereal?"

How do you define "Christian?"

How does the Bible, the original first century source of the Christian
faith, define the term?


Do you agree or disagree with Brown that spiritual faith is a quest "to
decipher life's big mysteries," and that "we're each following our own
paths of enlightenment?"

What did the first century Christians mean when they used the term "faith?"

Take a careful look at Romans 1:8, 16-17, 3:23-28, 1 Corinthians 2:5,
15:14, Hebrews 12:2, 1 Peter 1:1-9 and jot down how these first century
Christians used the word faith.


After you have had a chance to wrestle with these questions, I'll give you
some of my own answers.

Keep checking http://www.truthencounter.com...for my answers and some more clues on Dan Brown and his "code."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Reminds me that the way bank clerks train to spot forgeries is to study the originals

Must go!

Ian
 
The thing is many people will take the movie literally. Many people can be influenced easily by what they see and hear. It is the same reason that people join cults for an example. they are influnced by what they see and hear, or just hear. Did you read the statement that the girl made after seeing the movie in the first post that I made starting this topic up above. She said the movie could be true. but she said that she believes Jesus is the Son of God. But from her answer being interviewed after the movie, you can see some confusion.
 
Personally I look forward to when the movie and book are no longer discussed so muchâ€â€I’m getting SICK OF IT! Sorry about that just a little tired of TV program after TV program about the Da Vinci Code.
 
http://www.thedavincichallenge.com/

"The Da Vinci Challenge grew out of Sony Pictures Entertainment’s desire to respect those concerns by providing a forum where a wide variety of respected religious scholars could discuss some of the serious questions the movie may raise."
 
I saw the movie and it wasn't exactly like the book. The movie doesn't say that absolutely Jesus wasn't God, just that it a possibility. There wasn't much about DaVinci. It was basically a murder mystery with a few twists. The movie clearly implied that the suggestions about Jesus were just possibilities, not truth or reality.

I enjoyed the movie as a murder mystery, but nothing else.
 
John 10:26-30
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


God is able to keep His own, but not all are His.
 
I did not read the Da Vinci Code, but my pastor who has, say's that in the beginning, Dan Brown clearly states that his work is fiction.

ANd actually, my pastor encourages viewing this movie, because if you are truely rooted in the Gospel, then you should be able to tell right away that it is fake.
 
It's Brown's claim that the comments about history etc are accurate that show his deception too
 
fResH said:
I did not read the Da Vinci Code, but my pastor who has, say's that in the beginning, Dan Brown clearly states that his work is fiction.

ANd actually, my pastor encourages viewing this movie, because if you are truely rooted in the Gospel, then you should be able to tell right away that it is fake.
I think anybody calling themselves a christian who knows the content of the movie, yet has to go see the movie in order to decide if it's true or not, won't stand a chance when they face true deception.
 
I am amazed that so many are so bothered by this movie, and yet look the other way at so many other things in the church.

I am glad this movie is out, though it is bunch of bull perhaps it will get lazy pew sitters up to study on there own.

So silly to be so worried about this movie, when paganism abounds in every church building in the world. YES I said EVERY.
 
Henry said:
So silly to be so worried about this movie, when paganism abounds in every church building in the world. YES I said EVERY.

All Americans are stupid, lazy and fat. They say it in Europe, so it must be true, right? Right?

Aren't over-generalizations fun? :)
 
Novum said:
Henry said:
So silly to be so worried about this movie, when paganism abounds in every church building in the world. YES I said EVERY.

All Americans are stupid, lazy and fat. They say it in Europe, so it must be true, right? Right?

Aren't over-generalizations fun? :)

Yes, they ARE fun! Except when the person saying them actually believes what they are saying. . . . . . . . then, . . . . :roll:
 
Henry said:
I am amazed that so many are so bothered by this movie, and yet look the other way at so many other things in the church.

I am glad this movie is out, though it is bunch of bull perhaps it will get lazy pew sitters up to study on there own.

So silly to be so worried about this movie, when paganism abounds in every church building in the world. YES I said EVERY.

The bible clearly lays out the biggest problems of the last days church, and it has far more to do with false teachers and prophets, lukewarmness, worldliness, having itching ears, and deception in general....And all of the above can be found in homechurches also!
Don't you think?
 
Novum

All Americans are stupid, lazy and fat. They say it in Europe, so it must be true, right? Right?

Aren't over-generalizations fun?

What over-generalizations, the building, the pulpit the sermons, the way people dress, the clergy, the art work, the heirachail leadership and so on all are right out of paganism.

And most Americans are fat and lazy, but not so fat and lazy we can’t take ANY European country to task.

So I will change my statement to say “Any church that has a building and a pastor and a staff is full of paganism.†Thank God not all churches are trapped in that junk.

Orion

Hi Butters 

destiny

The bible clearly lays out the biggest problems of the last days church, and it has far more to do with false teachers and prophets, lukewarmness, worldliness, having itching ears, and deception in general....And all of the above can be found in homechurches also!
Don't you think?

The bible knows ONLY of house churches and nothing at all of these building pastor led churches, I am not sure what the problem is with this. Are we to follow the bible or not? The Bible is not JUST worried about false teachers, that is one of the things the elders are to be on look out for.

However there is more written about how are we are to live out our church life, many call them the one another’s.

It is much harder for a false teacher to get into a small house church and preach his lies, the smaller groups ask questions and call people to carpet on any weird teachings. It is far easier to bring a bad teaching in a denominational church, you are not allowed to question the pastor, and the doctrine is the criteria for membership.

There are problems in house churches, but so what? That is not the point, the point is that House church are what we find in Gods word, the house is the only real place that allows us to live out the practices in the bible, and no where in the bible does God every say this is to change.

Sorry dear, but if you want lukewarmness, worldiness and idching ears go and look in the pews of any building church they are full up with those people.
 
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