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The dead were judged…by the things which were written in the books

Alfred Persson

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The dead were judged…by the things which were written in the books

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged (2919 κρίνω krino ) according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged (2919 κρίνω krino ), each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15 NKJ)

This Jewish Tradition OF classes and books reveals a third option both Calvin and Arminus missed that can be inferred from this paradox: Peter: "elect according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2). Paul: "election would stand, not by works" (Rom. 9:11) after one is born.

The paradox vanishes if God foreknew "two versions" ("fallen and unfallen") of everyone, and foreknowledge of the "unfallen version" alone determined the Names of the Elect. From the analogy of Scripture we can deduce Election occurred before anything diminished Free Will choice, when all manifested whether they were God's children, the Devil's children, or could go either way "Middling People."

Hence the books were written "before creation"(Eph. 1:4) "the foundation of the world" (Rev. 17:8). By God's grace everyone's name was written in the "Book of Life" but the names of the Middling and Wicked people can be blotted out or written back in according to their works (Rev. 3:5 cp. Ps. 69:28; 87:6; Dan. 12:1; Mal. 3:16). The Book of Life has legal priority.

On Judgment Day the books are opened and Christ separates (2919 κρίνω krino ) the righteous from the wicked, "according to their works". Only the Book of life defines who can be listed and the names in it. It does not list the deeds people do, for everyone's name in it is by God's grace. Only the Books of the Middling People and Wicked have both the Names and deeds to be judged for. Apart from the Elect who cannot be blotted out, all others must fit the requirements for being listed in that book, to have the grace of God. Its impossible we accomplish anything that can pay for our sins and merit eternal life in paradise. God in His mercy does the same for "the righteous" as He did for the Sheep, count their works as righteousness (Jas. 2:23; Mt. 33:34-30). As John says, only those "not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. Christ also revealed people would be saved from Hades if they obeyed His voice while in the grave, they would rise "to the resurrection of life" (Jn. 5:29-30).

Therefore, the symbolism in the Great White Throne Judgment by Christ reveals Postmortem Opportunity for salvation.

 
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The dead were judged…by the things which were written in the books

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged (2919 κρίνω krino ) according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged (2919 κρίνω krino ), each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15 NKJ)

This Jewish Tradition OF classes and books reveals a third option both Calvin and Arminus missed that can be inferred from this paradox: Peter: "elect according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2). Paul: "election would stand, not by works" (Rom. 9:11) after one is born.

The paradox vanishes if God foreknew "two versions" ("fallen and unfallen") of everyone, and foreknowledge of the "unfallen version" alone determined the Names of the Elect. From the analogy of Scripture we can deduce Election occurred before anything diminished Free Will choice, when all manifested whether they were God's children, the Devil's children, or could go either way "Middling People."

Hence the books were written "before creation"(Eph. 1:4) "the foundation of the world" (Rev. 17:8). By God's grace everyone's name was written in the "Book of Life" but the names of the Middling and Wicked people can be blotted out or written back in according to their works (Rev. 3:5 cp. Ps. 69:28; 87:6; Dan. 12:1; Mal. 3:16). The Book of Life has legal priority.

On Judgment Day the books are opened and Christ separates (2919 κρίνω krino ) the righteous from the wicked, "according to their works". If any failed to do what is written in the Book of life

Where do you get that the Book of Life is some sort of instruction book?
I don't see that in Revelation.
their names are blotted out. If any did as the Book of Life requires, their names are left in.
So is the Book of Life a list of names or an instruction book?

But the names are there only by God's Grace. Its impossible we accomplish anything that can pay for our sins and merit eternal life in paradise. God in His mercy does the same for "the righteous" as He did for the Sheep, count their works as righteousness (Jas. 2:23; Mt. 33:34-30). As John says, only those "not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
So it is a list of names and not an instruction book?
Christ also revealed people would be saved from Hades if they obeyed His voice while in the grave, they would rise "to the resurrection of life" (Jn. 5:29-30).

Therefore, the symbolism in the Great White Throne Judgment by Christ reveals Postmortem Opportunity for salvation.

 
Where do you get that the Book of Life is some sort of instruction book?
I don't see that in Revelation.

So is the Book of Life a list of names or an instruction book?


So it is a list of names and not an instruction book?
Book of life has both, defines who can be listed in it and the names in it. It does not list the deeds people do, that only happens in the Books of the Middling People and the Wicked

Thank you. Your question made me rewrite a part.
 
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Book of life has both, defines who can be listed in it and the names in it. It does not list the deeds people do, that only happens in the Books of the Middling People and the Wicked
Where is this special knowledge located.
Please provide references where we all can verify your sources.
 
Where is this special knowledge located.
Please provide references where we all can verify your sources.
I am not a prophet, nor do have special revelation. Like Sherlock Holmes I think critically upon facts and reason to what caused the facts.

I "infer" from the data, what exists behind the data.

Scripture alone is 100% true. If my inferences are incorrect, not consistent with Scripture revelation, by all means prove that to me:

Let the righteous strike me; It shall be a kindness. And let him rebuke me; It shall be as excellent oil; Let my head not refuse it. For still my prayer is against the deeds of the wicked. (Ps. 141:5 NKJ)

A rebuke cuts into a perceptive person more than a hundred lashes into a fool. (Prov. 17:10 CSB)

For anyone curious, there are books that teach critical thinking, how to solve puzzles etc. Now that AI's are doing the thinking for many, the Idiocracy is coming if it isn't here already. Critical Thinking is a advantage that could be likened to driving a Ferrari instead of a Volkswagen. Win the race every time. Often, the only one to get there!


I cite Sherlock Holmes' example because the fictional character paid attention to details others ignored. I find that is true among scholars. Its not that their conclusions are invalid, they generalize so apples can be compared with oranges, rendering their conclusions unsound.

The Truth is in the Details. Sherlock understood this, surprisingly many do not.
 
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I am not a prophet, nor do have special revelation. Like Sherlock Holmes I think critically upon facts and reason to what caused the facts.

I "infer" from the data, what exists behind the data.

Scripture alone is 100% true. If my inferences are incorrect, not consistent with Scripture revelation, by all means prove that to me:

Let the righteous strike me; It shall be a kindness. And let him rebuke me; It shall be as excellent oil; Let my head not refuse it. For still my prayer is against the deeds of the wicked. (Ps. 141:5 NKJ)

A rebuke cuts into a perceptive person more than a hundred lashes into a fool. (Prov. 17:10 CSB)

For anyone curious, there are books that teach critical thinking, how to solve puzzles etc. Now that AI's are doing the thinking for many, the Idiocracy is coming if it isn't here already. Critical Thinking is a advantage that could be likened to driving a Ferrari instead of a Volkswagen. Win the race every time. Often, the only one to get there!

The.person making the claims has the burden of proof.

You claim something no one else has... now provide your proof
 
The.person making the claims has the burden of proof.

You claim something no one else has... now provide your proof
If you are serious, and want to discuss this in detail. Pick one inference, explain why you don't see it in the data. Then I can respond. But to claim all of it is wrong, isn't discussion....its nothing.

ps: The proof is in the symbolism I cited. For example, the "book of life is opened". Why open it, if only the Book of Death rules the day. Therefore, an open book of life implies life will be seen during the Great White Throne Judgment.
 
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If you are serious, and want to discuss this in detail. Pick one inference, explain why you don't see it in the data. Then I can respond. But to claim all of it is wrong, isn't discussion....its nothing.

ps: The proof is in the symbolism I cited. For example, the "book of life is opened". Why open it, if only the Book of Death rules the day. Therefore, an open book of life implies life will be seen during the Great White Throne Judgment.
I claim that Santa lives at the North Pole. You must provide proof that he does not. Proof that meets my criteria.

That is your argument in a nutshell.

I have picked a point.

Where in Revelation does it say yhe Book or Life is an instruction book on how to live?

Where in Revelation is a Book or Death mentioned?
 
I claim that Santa lives at the North Pole. You must provide proof that he does not. Proof that meets my criteria.

That is your argument in a nutshell.

I have picked a point.

Where in Revelation does it say yhe Book or Life is an instruction book on how to live?

Where in Revelation is a Book or Death mentioned?
Why the straw men? What did I do to you?

The following in italics is what Sherlock Holmes might "infer" if he existed and read this text:

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. (Rev. 20:12 NKJ)

The dead were judged "by the things" in the books. Universally people infer "beneath their names must be what they did, and that is what is being judged, their works and their punishment for doing them."

There are multiple books opened, only one of them is "the book of life". Therefore, the others could be characterized as "books of the dead" because everyone listed in them alone, will experience the second death.


Sherlock Holmes' method of critical thinking could certainly be applied to interpret symbols in the Book of Revelation. It's important to note, though, that the genre of apocalyptic literature, such as Revelation, has its own unique set of interpretative challenges and complexities. Nonetheless, the application of Holmes' critical thinking might look something like this:

1. Observation:
Just as Holmes keenly observes every detail of a crime scene, he would first thoroughly read the Book of Revelation, noting all symbols, recurring themes, and the broader context in which they appear.

2. Analysis: Holmes would then analyze these symbols, looking at their historical and cultural contexts. He might consider how these symbols are used elsewhere in biblical literature and what they meant to the original audience.

3. Deduction: Using logic and reasoning, he would draw conclusions about the possible meanings of the symbols based on the information gathered during his analysis.

There is a difference between an "Explicit Statement" and an "Inference". An "inference is not prophesying, nor does it come from "special revelation."

Nor would anyone infer Santa's location, everyone knows its in the North Pole.

  1. Explicit Statement: This is information that is directly, clearly, and unambiguously stated or written in the text. An explicit statement leaves no room for doubt as it communicates the message in a straightforward manner. For example, if a book states that "It was raining," it is an explicit statement that it was raining.
  2. Inference: This, on the other hand, is a conclusion or idea that is not directly stated in the text but is drawn from it based on the reader's understanding, logic, or deduction. An inference may involve connecting different pieces of information in the text, or it may involve using background knowledge to make sense of the information provided. For example, if a book describes a character as carrying an umbrella, wearing a raincoat, and stepping in puddles, one might infer that it is raining, even if this is not explicitly stated.

Sherlock Holmes is an exemplar of critical thinking because of his systematic approach to solving mysteries, which involves observation, analysis, deduction, and verification.

  1. Observation: Holmes meticulously gathers information through keen observation of his environment, noticing details that others often overlook.
  2. Analysis: He then processes and analyses this information, recognizing patterns, inconsistencies, and potential significance in the details.
  3. Deduction: Holmes applies logical reasoning to draw conclusions or make predictions, often making connections that others fail to see.
  4. Verification: He tests his hypotheses through action, either by seeking additional information or setting traps for culprits, thereby confirming or refuting his deductions.
Daniel was a critical thinker:

12 "Inasmuch as an excellent spirit, knowledge, understanding, interpreting dreams, solving riddles, and explaining enigmas were found in this Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar, now let Daniel be called, and he will give the interpretation." (Dan. 5:12 NKJ)
 
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"Death and Hades (Hell) delivered up the dead who were in them."

According to Churchianity they were ALREADY judged......
 
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