The difference between Deists and Evangelicals

[reznwerks]

Evangelicals (born agains) will point to John 3:1-8. which says you must born again.
Deists (as well as atheists) can also point to John 5:29, "those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.

 

[Rick W]

Deists don't believe the fellow that said those words either.
So how can diests use Christ's teachings when they don't acknowledge Him as the Son of God anyway?
Convenience perhaps?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent him.

Deists believe the Father will judge them not The Son.

So they pick what they want and toss the rest?
Convenience?
yep

 

[reznwerks]

don't have too

Deists don't believe the fellow that said those words either.
So how can diests use Christ's teachings when they don't acknowledge Him as the Son of God anyway?
Convenience perhaps?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent him.

Deists believe the Father will judge them not The Son.

So they pick what they want and toss the rest?
Convenience?
yep

Deists and atheists don't have to pick and choose. The verse I used is a blanket statement that contradicts the previous claim of needing to be born again. As I have said many many times here and elsewhere if there is a God and he is going to judge anyone he will do so based on what we actually do and not on what we claim to believe or profess. That verse I used only validates my assumptions.

 

[Rick W]

Re: don't have too

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

That verse I used only validates my assumptions.

Yet you choose to ignore the rest of Christ's testimony.
So tell me. By what yardstick do you judge what He said as true or not?

 

[Ajax 777]

His backyardstick, it sounds like. :smt012

 

[mutzrein]

Evangelicals (born agains) will point to John 3:1-8. which says you must born again.
Deists (as well as atheists) can also point to John 5:29, "those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.

Personally, I believe in both - but the second must be in the context of the first.

 

[Rick W]

based on what we actually do ...

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The deist doesn't have faith in Christ but has faith in themselves.

 

[BenJasher]

According to Jesus, the basis of the Great White Throne Judgement is not based on whether a person had received Jesus unto salvation, but is in fact based on works. So believing with your heart, and confessing with your mouth may be off topic.

 

[Rick W]

Without Jesus one can not be saved. You'll find no reference to salvation through Christ in deism.

 

[reznwerks]

salvation

Without Jesus one can not be saved. You'll find no reference to salvation through Christ in deism.

Only if you're a Christian can you not be saved without Jesus. Deists and Atheists (along with many others) don't acknowledge Jesus or Christianity. Atheists will readily acknowledge a creator if and when one is determined to exist. Deists accept the probability of a creator that does not get involved in mans affairs. The bottom line of the original post is that if there is a creator he is bigger than any denomination or creed and if there is any judging to be had he will be looking at the whole picture. I can't believe that any creator of the universe would be so self centered as to caring what one professes to believe when all the evidence says it ain't so. The part I used in John only supports this view. As to contradicting this or that passage in the bible hasn't this what Christians have been doing from the start? Hence the thousands of denominations.

 

[Rick W]

I know how you feel reznwerks. And I felt the same way before august '98. What I found was that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the OT as no other did, has or ever will. If the NT is invalid then the OT law is still in effect, there is no Holy Ghost given to the masses, there is still a need of a high priest to sacrifice for the people in the Holy of Holies to make yearly atonement for the people, a need of prophets to echo what God tells them the people need to hear, that the people still can't come to God on a personal basis, God never came to man as the OT says He will, that Christ never existed and if He did His death meant nothing.

Going further if the OT is also invalid, that what is written has no basis at all, that there is no God, no creator, that all this is the product of chance, that there is no higher authority than self, that there is no purpose for all of this, that there is no reason for being then there's no end reason for anything that man does or ever will do.

Why do you make such a fuss over christianity wasting what little time you have left on something that you feel has no reason for existing in the first place? Surely this can't be your purpose if in the end the purpose of your life has no meaning since there's no reason for anything existing anyway. You waste your precious time on those likewise wasting their precious time. In short, your efforts make as little sense as the efforts of those you oppose.

Makes no sense.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Deists and atheists don't have to pick and choose. The verse I used is a blanket statement that contradicts the previous claim of needing to be born again. As I have said many many times here and elsewhere if there is a God and he is going to judge anyone he will do so based on what we actually do and not on what we claim to believe or profess. That verse I used only validates my assumptions.

This doesnt sound like some whacked out atheist.

I sounds like common sense!

How does it make sense to judge someone that has no knowledge of the critieria?

A person in the thickets of the Amazon is to be judged according to whether he accepted a God he doesnt even know about?