[_ Old Earth _] The distance of the earth from the sun.....

[John]

allows life to exist.

The earth is 93 million miles distant from the sun. This distance is precisely what is needed to allow biological life to exist on earth. Life would virtually impossible on any other planets in our solar system. Mercury and Venus are to close to the sun and have surface temperature that are far too high to allow life. Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, and the rest of the planets are far to far from the sun to receive the vital heat and energy to facilitate life. Earth is also the only planet in our solar system that has surface water in liquid form, an essential requirement for all life

 

[Deep Thought]

And the point is....?

 

[John]

God thought of everything :wink:

 

[Deep Thought]

Then why did god decide to create all the other trillions of stars and planets?

 

[John]

Then why did god decide to create all the other trillions of stars and planets?

probably because he could, and we should see them as a great wonder of god, not a great wonder of always existing matiral that explodes every 100 billion years.

 

[Heidi]

Then why did god decide to create all the other trillions of stars and planets?

Genesis tells us that it's to give us light by night. God also refers to the number of stars as equating the number of humans He would create.

 

[John]

Then why did god decide to create all the other trillions of stars and planets?

Genesis tells us that it's to give us light by night. God also refers to the number of stars as equating the number of humans He would create.

what ?! you caught me off guard there.. explain yourself.

 

[Heidi]

Then why did god decide to create all the other trillions of stars and planets?

Genesis tells us that it's to give us light by night. God also refers to the number of stars as equating the number of humans He would create.

what ?! you caught me off guard there.. explain yourself.

God told Abraham that his descendants will be as numerous as the stars in the sky. The OT is a shadow of the NT. That means that most of the events in the OT point to a spiritual meaning as well as their physical function. Weddings, water baptism as with the Flood and the parting of the Red Sea, The seventh day rest pointing to Christ's redemption which gives us rest, the number 7, etc.

 

[John]

you do realize that was a metaphor meaning your kids will be numerous ?

resent estimates are about 14 trillion known stars, those are just the ones we know about, we don't know abut the ones we don't know about :wink:

 

[Heidi]

you do realize that was a metaphor meaning your kids will be numerous ?

resent estimates are about 14 trillion known stars, those are just the ones we know about, we don't know abut the ones we don't know about :wink:

It may be a metaphor but it's also true since God doesn't lie. All of Jesus's parable are metaphors, but the parables are also true as well. When you multiply the billions of people that have existed in every generation for at least a century, there have already been over a trillion people who have existed. Gos also doesn't do anything without a reason. So there has to be a reason for the amount of stars in the sky. I believe that his allusion to the number of people on earth is one of his reasons.

 

[Dunzo]

When you multiply the billions of people that have existed in every generation for at least a century, there have already been over a trillion people who have existed.

What?

 

[John]

It may be a metaphor but it's also true since God doesn't lie. All of Jesus's parable are metaphors, but the parables are also true as well. When you multiply the billions of people that have existed in every generation for at least a century, there have already been over a trillion people who have existed. Gos also doesn't do anything without a reason. So there has to be a reason for the amount of stars in the sky. I believe that his allusion to the number of people on earth is one of his reasons.

i never claimed god lies. your logic here is weird and fuzzy.
Its perfectly clear that God means that his children will just be numerous, but not trillions .

where are you getting your population claims from ?

Known and projected population Source: http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpop ... lation.htm

Year Population
1 200 million
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2000 6.1 billion
2005 6.45 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion

its clear over the last century that trillions have not passed, And even if it did, there are more stars then grains of sand on the earth probably.

red = predicted

 

[Deep Thought]

When a fellow Creationist is confused/flawed by Heidi's illogic, you know it's a real beauty. :

 

[jwu]

allows life to exist.

The earth is 93 million miles distant from the sun. This distance is precisely what is needed to allow biological life to exist on earth. Life would virtually impossible on any other planets in our solar system. Mercury and Venus are to close to the sun and have surface temperature that are far too high to allow life. Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, and the rest of the planets are far to far from the sun to receive the vital heat and energy to facilitate life.

The allowed margin of error actually is pretty large. Temperatures on mars reach 23°C or so, and with a thicker atmosphere and a bit of greenhouse effect is could be habitable.

After all, it does show signs of having had liquid water in the past.

Earth is also the only planet in our solar system that has surface water in liquid form, an essential requirement for all life

Why wouldn't it have to be surface water? Titan probably has large oceans which are covered by sheets of ice. Since life does just nicely in the deep sea and below the northern ice shield, it could possibly thrive there as well.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Estimates for stars in the universe are 10^21

If my notation is right thats 1 billion trillion.

Now, again the metaphor was "As numerous as stars in the sky." Which could be taken as the number of stars visible to the naked eye. That reduces it to a few thousand in a really dark place.

 

[John]

Estimates for stars in the universe are 10^21

If my notation is right thats 1 billion trillion.

Now, again the metaphor was "As numerous as stars in the sky." Which could be taken as the number of stars visible to the naked eye. That reduces it to a few thousand in a really dark place.

exactly.

 

[Heidi]

It may be a metaphor but it's also true since God doesn't lie. All of Jesus's parable are metaphors, but the parables are also true as well. When you multiply the billions of people that have existed in every generation for at least a century, there have already been over a trillion

Known and projected population Source: http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpop ... lation.htm

Year Population
1 200 million
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2000 6.1 billion
2005 6.45 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion

its clear over the last century that trillions have not passed, And even if it did, there are more stars then grains of sand on the earth probably.

red = predicted

Actually I never said that God said there were trillions of stars. I was responding to the poster who asked why there were so many stars. When God said that Abraham's descendants would be as numerous as the stars in the sky, he did not mean that they won't be as numerous as the stars in the sky. He meant exactly what he said. So if there are trillions of stars in the sky (how anyone can count them is anyone's guess) that means there will be trillions of people on this earth. He made a direct correlation between the number of stars and the number of people.

 

[John]

It may be a metaphor but it's also true since God doesn't lie. All of Jesus's parable are metaphors, but the parables are also true as well. When you multiply the billions of people that have existed in every generation for at least a century, there have already been over a trillion

Known and projected population Source: http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpop ... lation.htm

Year Population
1 200 million
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2000 6.1 billion
2005 6.45 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion

its clear over the last century that trillions have not passed, And even if it did, there are more stars then grains of sand on the earth probably.

red = predicted

Actually I never said that God said there were trillions of stars. I was responding to the poster who asked why there were so many stars. When God said that Abraham's descendants would be as numerous as the stars in the sky, he did not mean that they won't be as numerous as the stars in the sky. He meant exactly what he said. So if there are trillions of stars in the sky (how anyone can count them is anyone's guess) that means there will be trillions of people on this earth. He made a direct correlation between the number of stars and the number of people.

if your talking about after Jesus comes back and the time spent in heaven after etc then yes i believe in trillions, but as it stands the evidence is against that claim.

 

[Dunzo]

Trillions of people on Earth is totally ecologically unfeasible, and it always will be until this god fellow decides to step in and actually help the people he's created.

 

[Heidi]

Trillions of people on Earth is totally ecologically unfeasible, and it always will be until this god fellow decides to step in and actually help the people he's created.

Start adding. Right now there are approximately 6 billion people on earth. Last generation, there were approximately 5 billion people on earth. The generation before, there were approximately 4 billion people on earth. The generation before, let's say about 2 billion. During the 19th century, 5 generations of several hundred million. During the 18th century, 5 generations of several hundred million, and on and on back 6,000 years. Do your math and what do you get? ;-) And considering that evolutionists claim that man walked the earth hundreds of thousands of years ago, then there would be billions more people who walked the earth that you can add into your total. ;-)

But considering that scientists can't count the stars in the sky, then it's likely that they're wrong about the number. ;-)