[_ Old Earth _] The distance of the earth from the sun.....

[VaultZero4Me]

Trillions of people on Earth is totally ecologically unfeasible, and it always will be until this god fellow decides to step in and actually help the people he's created.

Start adding. Right now there are approximately 6 billion people on earth. Last generation, there were approximately 5 billion people on earth. The generation before, there were approximately 4 billion people on earth. The generation before, let's say about 2 billion. During the 19th century, 5 generations of several hundred million. During the 18th century, 5 generations of several hundred million, and on and on back 6,000 years. Do your math and what do you get? ;-) And considering that evolutionists claim that man walked the earth hundreds of thousands of years ago, then there would be billions more people who walked the earth that you can add into your total. ;-)

But considering that scientists can't count the stars in the sky, then it's likely that they're wrong about the number. ;-)

Yes they can ;p They can approximate the number of stars using statistics. I bet next you are going to say statistics is gibber gabber. ;p

Gee, you are still making way off base statements. Get some rest.

 

[John]

Trillions of people on Earth is totally ecologically unfeasible, and it always will be until this god fellow decides to step in and actually help the people he's created.

Start adding. Right now there are approximately 6 billion people on earth. Last generation, there were approximately 5 billion people on earth. The generation before, there were approximately 4 billion people on earth. The generation before, let's say about 2 billion. During the 19th century, 5 generations of several hundred million. During the 18th century, 5 generations of several hundred million, and on and on back 6,000 years. Do your math and what do you get? ;-) And considering that evolutionists claim that man walked the earth hundreds of thousands of years ago, then there would be billions more people who walked the earth that you can add into your total. ;-)

But considering that scientists can't count the stars in the sky, then it's likely that they're wrong about the number. ;-)

Yes they can ;p They can approximate the number of stars using statistics. I bet next you are going to say statistics is gibber gabber. ;p

Gee, you are still making way off base statements. Get some rest.

they can count, but will never know exactly how much, thats an impossibility.

 

[Heidi]

But considering that scientists can't count the stars in the sky, then it's likely that they're wrong about the number. ;-)[/quote]

Yes they can ;p They can approximate the number of stars using statistics. I bet next you are going to say statistics is gibber gabber. ;p

Gee, you are still making way off base statements. Get some rest.[/quote]

they can count, but will never know exactly how much, thats an impossibility.[/quote]

Correct. That's because they don't know how big the universe is because it stretches as far as the telescope can see. So they have to guess.

 

[John]

Heidi, you gotta fix your quoting problem, its confusing sometimes

 

[Heidi]

Heidi, you gotta fix your quoting problem, its confusing sometimes

I know. Sometimes it gets into the post I'm quoting even though I try to make sure that it's underneath the word "quote.' But I'll try to push "enter" and post way below the word "quote" in future quotes. I hope that fixes it. Otherwise, I don't know what the problem is.

 

[Heidi]

Actually I never said that God said there were trillions of stars. I was responding to the poster who asked why there were so many stars. When God said that Abraham's descendants would be as numerous as the stars in the sky, he did not mean that they won't be as numerous as the stars in the sky. He meant exactly what he said. So if there are trillions of stars in the sky (how anyone can count them is anyone's guess) that means there will be trillions of people on this earth. He made a direct correlation between the number of stars and the number of people. [/quote]

if your talking about after Jesus comes back and the time spent in heaven after etc then yes i believe in trillions, but as it stands the evidence is against that claim.[/quote][/quote]

You also have to go back at least 6,000 years, John. And then you have to know how many people populated the earth during the generations before Noah. Then you can add future years to it and if it's not a trillion or over, I'd be very surprised. ;-)

 

[John]

[quote:f96c0]Actually I never said that God said there were trillions of stars. I was responding to the poster who asked why there were so many stars. When God said that Abraham's descendants would be as numerous as the stars in the sky, he did not mean that they won't be as numerous as the stars in the sky. He meant exactly what he said. So if there are trillions of stars in the sky (how anyone can count them is anyone's guess) that means there will be trillions of people on this earth. He made a direct correlation between the number of stars and the number of people.

if your talking about after Jesus comes back and the time spent in heaven after etc then yes i believe in trillions, but as it stands the evidence is against that claim.[/quote:f96c0]

You also have to go back at least 6,000 years, John. And then you have to know how many people populated the earth during the generations before Noah. Then you can add future years to it and if it's not a trillion or over, I'd be very surprised. ;-)

Grrrr quotes!!!! :-D

 

[freeway]

Genesis 22:17

that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is upon the seashore. And thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies

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In this quote God is telling Abraham that he (God) will make Abraham's decedents as the stars of heaven. One post said: what the naked eye could see, well actually if Abraham line would have ended way back then, then yes around 6000 or so decedents. But Abraham's line is still growing, I'd put it at millions not trillions, because God also make refence to sand of the seashore, now there, there are millions and trillions of sand, but he made no reference that this would be the exact number, but merrily that the number would be great, exceedingly, to much to count. but back to square one, God is telling Abraham that there is more than just 6000 or so stars in the sky..and one last thing, this is also saying, the Jewish nation and people are here to stay...
just my 2 cents

 

[VaultZero4Me]

they can count, but will never know exactly how much, thats an impossibility.

"approximate" exactly what i said

 

[Patashu]

Tip: The orbit of the earth is not a circle but an ellipse.

This means that the distance from the sun actually varies. The distance it's at isn't THAT special, it's a broader range than you'd think.

It varies from 0.98 AU to 1.02 AU.

Also, life can survive under surprisingly extreme conditions. See http://www.resa.net/nasa/extreme_chart.htm

 

[John]

i just find all the "coincidences " just tooo perfect,to be brought about by random, unguided processes

 

[Dunzo]

i just find all the "coincidences " just tooo perfect,to be brought about by random, unguided processes

Evolution isn't random. :smt120

 

[John]

i just find all the "coincidences " just tooo perfect,to be brought about by random, unguided processes

Evolution isn't random. :smt120

but it is unguided, anything that is unguided tends to go astray. unless your implicating it has a set plan

 

[Quasarsphere]

It may be a metaphor but it's also true since God doesn't lie. All of Jesus's parable are metaphors, but the parables are also true as well. When you multiply the billions of people that have existed in every generation for at least a century, there have already been over a trillion

Known and projected population Source: http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpop ... lation.htm

Year Population
1 200 million
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2000 6.1 billion
2005 6.45 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion

its clear over the last century that trillions have not passed, And even if it did, there are more stars then grains of sand on the earth probably.

red = predicted

Actually I never said that God said there were trillions of stars. I was responding to the poster who asked why there were so many stars. When God said that Abraham's descendants would be as numerous as the stars in the sky, he did not mean that they won't be as numerous as the stars in the sky. He meant exactly what he said. So if there are trillions of stars in the sky (how anyone can count them is anyone's guess) that means there will be trillions of people on this earth. He made a direct correlation between the number of stars and the number of people.

Well, if that's the case, then the Rapture can't possibly happen until we've mastered interstellar travel and colonized a huge number of planets. We're at least a couple of millenia away from that.

 

[Quasarsphere]

i just find all the "coincidences " just tooo perfect,to be brought about by random, unguided processes

Evolution isn't random. :smt120

but it is unguided, anything that is unguided tends to go astray. unless your implicating it has a set plan

Natural selection is the guide.

 

[John]

O I C

its like 2:24 AM here, i can't think straight, lol

 

[jwu]

i just find all the "coincidences " just tooo perfect,to be brought about by random, unguided processes

Evolution isn't random. :smt120

but it is unguided, anything that is unguided tends to go astray. unless your implicating it has a set plan

Differential reproductive success / natural selection prevents it from going astray.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Genesis 22:17

that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is upon the seashore. And thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies

.
In this quote God is telling Abraham that he (God) will make Abraham's decedents as the stars of heaven. One post said: what the naked eye could see, well actually if Abraham line would have ended way back then, then yes around 6000 or so decedents. But Abraham's line is still growing, I'd put it at millions not trillions, because God also make refence to sand of the seashore, now there, there are millions and trillions of sand, but he made no reference that this would be the exact number, but merrily that the number would be great, exceedingly, to much to count. but back to square one, God is telling Abraham that there is more than just 6000 or so stars in the sky..and one last thing, this is also saying, the Jewish nation and people are here to stay...
just my 2 cents

Well if you take it to mean as many stars there actually are in the universe, you will run into serious problems (same as the sand). Millions of trillions is a very large number.

If you take it to mean just the visible stars, I can see that hashing out because at some point, the decedant link can become pretty weak as the tribe spreads out and marries other groups. Could mean 6000 direct decedants (before the genetic link gets too weak).

But, if you take it to be a simile ("as" numerous as the stars), you are opening yourself up on that one. You would be selectively allowing a verse that uses God's words to be a figure of speech, when you don't for the creation story. You would weaken your position on taking Genesis literal, since you not taking this verse literal.