The Fate of Judas

[Mike]

I'd like to talk about Judas and where his eternal place is. My understanding has always been that he was condemned to hell. The most obvious verses that I've leaned on are from Matthew and Acts.

Mat 26
"23 Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24 The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.â€

Acts 1
" 18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)"

Okay, but didn't Judas repent? I've always been fascinated by this man to seemed to be fulfilling a role designated by the Lord. And he intended on provoking Jesus into doing what he believed he should have done (not that this is an excuse).

Mat 27
"1 Early in the morning, all the chief priests and the elders of the people made their plans how to have Jesus executed. 2 So they bound him, led him away and handed him over to Pilate the governor. 3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,†he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.â€

It sounds to me like Judas repented. Now, he did proceed to hang himself, so there's the matter of this final act, but I'm not focusing on that. I'm looking at what I'm seeing in scripture about repentance and what Judas did, how he felt, after doing what he did. Did he confess this to the Lord and repent to Him? I don't know. But he did repent.

 

[lamplady]

This puzzles me also. The thing is Jesus referred to him as a devil and that he chose him KNOWING he would betray BEFORE it happened. So Judas was destined.

Can a devil repent?

Even though it seems to me he was full of remorse - whether he'd end up in heaven or not I'm not sure of.

 

[theLords]

I once heard it preached that Judas was a representative of the remorseful yet truly unrepented sinner. (No amount of Esau's tears could undo what he did)

Peter, sinned against the Lord and betrayed Him as well. When Peter realized what he did he felt guilty and remorseful and wept bitterly. He truly repented because He believed in the Lord's love and goodness which gave Him the hope that the Lord would forgive Him and He could move forward.

Judas, sinned against the Lord and betrayed Him, only once Judas realized what he had done, he killed himself not believing in the Lord's love and goodness. He had no hope in God's mercy so he killed himself.

I also heard it compared to Saul and David. Saul was remorseful for his sin but not in the same way David showed remorse.

I hope I explained it well enough. My teacher taught it so eloquently, leave it to me to butcher the explanation

 

[farouk]

This puzzles me also. The thing is Jesus referred to him as a devil and that he chose him KNOWING he would betray BEFORE it happened. So Judas was destined.

Can a devil repent?

Even though it seems to me he was full of remorse - whether he'd end up in heaven or not I'm not sure of.

lamplady:

He is called elsewhere 'the son of perdition'.

I think those who believe need to concentrate on the fact that God graciously saves them from their own sins, rather than concentrating unduly on the supposed rights of those who do not.

 

[craigmn3]

I once heard it preached that Judas was a representative of the remorseful yet truly unrepented sinner. (No amount of Esau's tears could undo what he did)

Peter, sinned against the Lord and betrayed Him as well. When Peter realized what he did he felt guilty and remorseful and wept bitterly. He truly repented because He believed in the Lord's love and goodness which gave Him the hope that the Lord would forgive Him and He could move forward.

Judas, sinned against the Lord and betrayed Him, only once Judas realized what he had done, he killed himself not believing in the Lord's love and goodness. He had no hope in God's mercy so he killed himself.

I also heard it compared to Saul and David. Saul was remorseful for his sin but not in the same way David showed remorse.

I hope I explained it well enough. My teacher taught it so eloquently, leave it to me to butcher the explanation

This is exactly right.....recognition of guilt, does not repentence make. When faced with his guilt and conviction, how did he respond....did he repent? No he killed himself, he did not seek God, and found no answers where he did seek so he sought to escape the guilt...not by repenting, but by hanging himself

 

[lamplady]

lamplady:

He is called elsewhere 'the son of perdition'.

I think those who believe need to concentrate on the fact that God graciously saves them from their own sins, rather than concentrating unduly on the supposed rights of those who do not.

Right, I see, ... I think what theLords said was interesting too ...