The Father Addresses Jesus Christ as The Creator

[TrevorL]

Greetings again SolaScriptura,

all you keep doing, is to AVOID the FACTS, and say nothing!

I am making slow progress. One of our respected commentators states the following concerning Hebrews 1:10-12:
"This has not reference to the creation of the world as set forth in Gen. 1. It refers to the “world to come” of which the Messiah is the creator,"
This also agrees with what our Bible Class speaker stated. Possibly this cuts across what you have stated.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings KV-44-v1,

I agree, every Word of God is important. That is why Genesis metaphorizers are in the wrong. God "wastes" words if the metaphor Genesis theory is correct.

I do not have a clue what you are suggesting by "metaphor" here. I believe in the Genesis Creation and events described in Genesis chapters 1-3.

Do you find any for "1+1+1=3"?

I do not believe in three Gods. I believe in One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human, now exalted, the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection. I did not introduce mathematics into the discussion as such a claim confuses the situation in a vain attempt to give legitimacy.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[SolaScriptura]

Greetings again SolaScriptura,

I am making slow progress. One of our respected commentators states the following concerning Hebrews 1:10-12:
"This has not reference to the creation of the world as set forth in Gen. 1. It refers to the “world to come” of which the Messiah is the creator,"
This also agrees with what our Bible Class speaker stated. Possibly this cuts across what you have stated.

Kind regards
Tr

Greetings again SolaScriptura,

I am making slow progress. One of our respected commentators states the following concerning Hebrews 1:10-12:
"This has not reference to the creation of the world as set forth in Gen. 1. It refers to the “world to come” of which the Messiah is the creator,"
This also agrees with what our Bible Class speaker stated. Possibly this cuts across what you have stated.

Kind regards
Trevor

this is called "speculative theology"!

 

[KV-44-v1]

and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human

Good so you know of one Aspect of His Nature. Now accept that He is also the God you worship.

of which the Messiah is the creator,"

So Jesus is God.

do not believe in three Gods.

Neither do serious Trinitarians.

 

[locust]

3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

ya might wonder why would God need him ? God himself is perfect in ways that the simple minded man does not fully appreciate.
a God with stunning abilities , always holding true to righteousness .
it stands to reason that God being perfect every thing he could or would do would also be perfect. yet that is not the case .
perhaps because nothing can be his equal .
even the place where he is ,heaven ,is far less in majesty than he him self.
so God wanted to do something .he wanted to create ,to cause all things in his Imagination to come into existence.
but how ? the answer to that is the one we know as Jesus . God gave the task to Jesus . God would of said, lets do it this way and then Jesus ,as God's master worker worked to make it happen .

 

[Who Me]

why would God need him ?

We will never understand the mystery of the Godhead this side of heaven, but we do know that the bible talks about God, God the Father, Jesus God's Son and of the Holy Spirit in terms that indicate that they are One, yet also individuals and are all equally God.
Human reasoning from these verse formed the doctrine of the Trinity.
Also from our reasoning is the thought that a triune God can love and be loved by its constituent parts in a way that a monogamous God cannot.

 

[locust]

We will never understand the mystery of the Godhead this side of heaven, but we do know that the bible talks about God, God the Father, Jesus God's Son and of the Holy Spirit in terms that indicate that they are One, yet also individuals and are all equally God.
Human reasoning from these verse formed the doctrine of the Trinity.
Also from our reasoning is the thought that a triune God can love and be loved by its constituent parts in a way that a monogamous God cannot.

ummm where is the mystery .does the bible not tell us about him ? we are told he is one . not two not three only one . with a plethora of angels ,all holy spirits, to do what ever it is God wants them to do .
the only mystery is why do ya want to screw that up ? if he is Trinity then there has to be more than a guess . there has to be facts . agreed ?

 

[Free]

ummm where is the mystery .does the bible not tell us about him ?

It's throughout the Bible.

we are told he is one . not two not three only one .

You are once again conflating monotheism with the nature of God. Nowhere does the Bible explicitly state that God is one person, but it states many times that he is the only God and that there never will be another. This is something you continually fail to address. There is no other divine being that is a god; Jesus is not and cannot be a god.

with a plethora of angels ,all holy spirits, to do what ever it is God wants them to do .

No, there is one Holy Spirit--the Spirit of God; the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

the only mystery is why do ya want to screw that up ? if he is Trinity then there has to be more than a guess . there has to be facts . agreed ?

This is very disingenuous, as there have been numerous passages given that you continually ignore.

 

[locust]

You are once again conflating monotheism with the nature of God.

Ah yes Monotheism, its the belief in the existence of only one God. It's a core concept in major world religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, where the one God is considered the supreme being and creator of the universe.
please ,why is that problem ?

Deuteronomy 6:4​

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.

Deuteronomy 6:4 NKJV
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.​

Mark 12:29​

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,

Mark 12:29
29 Jesus answered him, ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
​

 

[locust]

LORD = Jehovah

 

[Free]

Ah yes Monotheism, its the belief in the existence of only one God. It's a core concept in major world religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, where the one God is considered the supreme being and creator of the universe.
please ,why is that problem ?

Deuteronomy 6:4​

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.

Deuteronomy 6:4 NKJV​

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.​

Mark 12:29​

Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,

Mark 12:29​

29 Jesus answered him, ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.​

So, why is that a problem? What point are you trying to make here?