The Fire From Heaven

[whirlwind]

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

The dragon "has" the seven heads, etc. meaning...he controls them, he gives power to that first beast...a one world system. Red, as used in describing the great dragon is.... # 4450 ~ fire like, flame colored

• Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Where else do we read of wonders and fire? The second beast of Revelation, the religious beast "doeth great wonders"......

• Revelation 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The second, religious, beast "doeth great wonders" in making "fire come down from heaven." It maketh the great red dragon, a great wonder, come down from heaven! The fire IS the great red dragon. So, the religious beast is, I believe, the false prophet(s) that are under the great dragon's influence. Those two beasts (political and religious) are destroyed at the end of this age. [Rev.19:20]

What are these miracles of "fire from heaven?" There are two types of fire from heaven....of God and of the great red dragon. His will deceive those that "dwell on the earth?" We that are indwelt by the Holy Spirit no longer "dwell on earth" and we will NOT be deceived by his fire.

• 2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
  
  2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
  
  Psalm 18:13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
  
  Exodus 9:24 So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
  
  Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
  
  Revelation 9:17-18 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
  
  [list:qcanikkl]Brimstone #2303 ~ of #2304 (in its orig. sense of FLASHING); sulphur: - brimstone. #2304 from #2316 GODLIKE (neut. as noun, divinity): - divine, godhead. #2316 a deity, espec. (with 35888) the supreme Divinity: fig. a magistrate: by heb. very: - exceeding, God, god[ly].

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The great RED dragon is "fire like." He is the brimstone, the flashing, godlike, deceiving, great dragon. He is the wonder that will come down from heaven...with his horses and chariots of fire!

 

[ChevyRodeo]

in order to device people, it will have to be VERY impressive "fire from heaven" I would assume literal fire and not meteors which can be ruled out as naturally occurring.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Rome during the days John painted in blood a red dragon on their shields. That word red is literal. The word "fire" when used in a parabolic way means "judgement."

 

[veteran]

So did the ancient Chinese use the dragon symbol in their culture, but that still doesn't prove the Rev.13 dragon was a myth, or some sign only meant in the past.

 

[JudaicChristian]

So did the ancient Chinese use the dragon symbol in their culture, but that still doesn't prove the Rev.13 dragon was a myth, or some sign only meant in the past.

It seems that different cultures and religions used the dragon as a symbol. All we know is that in other cultures it is a symbol for good luck or fortune, but in Judaism and Christianity it is a symbol for evil and Satan. The Catholic Church uses the dragon symbol at some of it,s churches; I do not know if anyone knows why they use it. Another thing I find odd about the Catholics is that they have upside down crosses displayed. Who knows why? In modern society an upside down cross means "To Hell with Christ." There are many things the Catholics say and do or ware that is associated with Paganism. And all of it seems good to them. Tip of the day: Steer manure makes a great stocking stuffer.

 

[veteran]

So did the ancient Chinese use the dragon symbol in their culture, but that still doesn't prove the Rev.13 dragon was a myth, or some sign only meant in the past.

It seems that different cultures and religions used the dragon as a symbol. All we know is that in other cultures it is a symbol for good luck or fortune, but in Judaism and Christianity it is a symbol for evil and Satan. The Catholic Church uses the dragon symbol at some of it,s churches; I do not know if anyone knows why they use it. Another thing I find odd about the Catholics is that they have upside down crosses displayed. Who knows why? In modern society an upside down cross means "To Hell with Christ." There are many things the Catholics say and do or ware that is associated with Paganism. And all of it seems good to them. Tip of the day: Steer manure makes a great stocking stuffer.

The name Bel goes all the back to the land of Sumer and Sargon I, a semite that came there and built the first city there, and taught the Sumerians canal building, agriculture, pagan religion, etc. That later became the area of Babylon. Bel was connected with the idea of a dragon in ancient Sumer.

The upside-down cross is used by the Catholic Church to represent Peter's death upside down on a cross per tradition, and, since the Catholic Church claims the keys Christ gave to Peter.

 

[Joe67]

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

The dragon "has" the seven heads, etc. meaning...he controls them, he gives power to that first beast...a one world system. Red, as used in describing the great dragon is.... # 4450 ~ fire like, flame colored

• Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Where else do we read of wonders and fire? The second beast of Revelation, the religious beast "doeth great wonders"......

• Revelation 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The second, religious, beast "doeth great wonders" in making "fire come down from heaven." It maketh the great red dragon, a great wonder, come down from heaven! The fire IS the great red dragon. So, the religious beast is, I believe, the false prophet(s) that are under the great dragon's influence. Those two beasts (political and religious) are destroyed at the end of this age. [Rev.19:20]

What are these miracles of "fire from heaven?" There are two types of fire from heaven....of God and of the great red dragon. His will deceive those that "dwell on the earth?" We that are indwelt by the Holy Spirit no longer "dwell on earth" and we will NOT be deceived by his fire.

WW,

Revelation 12:12 tells those that "dwell in heaven" to rejoice, but woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea. The brethren have overcome the accusser by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony that bore fruit in them hating their own lives unto the death.

The blood and the Word of the testimony are the two sided sword of victory, so that they are not deceived by the fire that comes down from heaven. Through the beast from the earth there is a deception by fire from heaven. When the dragon is let out of the pit in chapter 20, he goes out and deceives, but by what means, since the victory is fire coming down out of heaven, the very instrument of deception in chapter 13.

The dragon does not use fire to deceive the nations in Revelation 20:8.

Joe

 

[whirlwind]

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

The dragon "has" the seven heads, etc. meaning...he controls them, he gives power to that first beast...a one world system. Red, as used in describing the great dragon is.... # 4450 ~ fire like, flame colored

• Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Where else do we read of wonders and fire? The second beast of Revelation, the religious beast "doeth great wonders"......

• Revelation 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The second, religious, beast "doeth great wonders" in making "fire come down from heaven." It maketh the great red dragon, a great wonder, come down from heaven! The fire IS the great red dragon. So, the religious beast is, I believe, the false prophet(s) that are under the great dragon's influence. Those two beasts (political and religious) are destroyed at the end of this age. [Rev.19:20]

What are these miracles of "fire from heaven?" There are two types of fire from heaven....of God and of the great red dragon. His will deceive those that "dwell on the earth?" We that are indwelt by the Holy Spirit no longer "dwell on earth" and we will NOT be deceived by his fire.

WW,

Revelation 12:12 tells those that "dwell in heaven" to rejoice, but woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea. The brethren have overcome the accusser by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony that bore fruit in them hating their own lives unto the death.

The blood and the Word of the testimony are the two sided sword of victory, so that they are not deceived by the fire that comes down from heaven. Through the beast from the earth there is a deception by fire from heaven. When the dragon is let out of the pit in chapter 20, he goes out and deceives, but by what means, since the victory is fire coming down out of heaven, the very instrument of deception in chapter 13.

The dragon does not use fire to deceive the nations in Revelation 20:8.

Joe

Very true. :yes The two powers of deception he has in this age, the two beasts, the one world system and false prophet, are both done away with....gone forever. So, with what does he deceive the nations at the end of the millennium? It is written that the deceived shall be "as the sand of the sea" and this is after they KNOW and SEE the truth during the millennium. Satan works well with human nature. It may well be deception to pride and ego....self, that causes them to follow him to their destruction.

 

[Joe67]

WW,

Truly, truly. After each defeat, then he assumes the forms of words and actions that has been wrought of God in Jesus to defeat/cast out the bondwoman and her son and to transfer the birthright to God's elect servant, Jacob, the supplanter.

So, after the son and the step-son ( the beast and the false prophet ) have been cast into the lake of fire Satan is finally freed from his legalistic religious service, working in the pit to cut stones for the temple, and now he takes up with commercial humanitarianism ( Ezekiel 28, 38, 39 ), as depicted also in Revelation 20. "Why this great waste? Why isn't this sold and given to the poor? The echoes of Judas, the son of perdition, become the rallying cry against the worship of Jesus and ministry to his Body. Even the other disciples agreed with Judas' sentiments.

Even as we talk, commerce in the work of humanitarianism is flooding the world in the name of Jesus. Many, like Judas, are tearing down their old barns and building new barns, so that they will have plenty for years to come. The blood of Jesus speaking to us from the new Jerusalem above ( Hebrews 12:24 ) is becoming an uncomfortable message. Being delivered from the wrath to come through the blood of Jesus ( Romans 5:9 ) is being minimized and humanitarianism and healing is becoming maximized. Judgment is turned backward. It is good to help the natural body, it is better to save the spiritual body.

Joe

 

[veteran]

I can understand various spiritual ideas about fire in God's Word, but we need to understand there will be a literal fire on earth from God, which is different from the fire and brimstone that comes out the dragon's MOUTH, and of his servants.

What comes out of the MOUTH? Words. In the Rev.9 case of the flood that comes out of the mouth of the dragon, and the fire, smoke, and brimstone that comes out of the locust army's mouths, THAT'S ABOUT LIES. See it as Satan's attempt to copy The Holy Spirit Fire from God.

And with the dragon's working in Rev.13:11 forward, that's about his using miracles to deceive with on the earth in the sight of men. So his raining fire down from heaven there is most likely in reality, lightning...

Luke 10:18
18 And He said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
(KJV)

Here's where Apostle Paul was talking about God's consuming fire, the fire that will end this present world which 2 Peter 3:10 declares...

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, 'Yet once more', signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
(KJV)

Paul is talking about a future time when God will once again shake this earth, and also heaven, ending this present world. For those with eyes to see, and ears to hear, the first time God did that shaking was when Satan first rebelled against Him. Never again since that time has our Heavenly Father done that to this earth, but as Paul shows, He will do it once more.

Along with that shaking of this earth, God is going to bring His consuming fire upon this earth, to burn man's works off it, cleansing the earth like He did with the flood of Noah's days. That's the event Peter is talking about in 2 Peter 3 concerning this present world ("the heavens and the earth, which are now"), which Peter refers back to this matter from Paul's writings.

 

[brakelite]

Veteran, I agree with you re the words from the mouth of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. They are a counterfeit trinity, and they are preaching a counterfeit gospel, and they are representing a counterfeit church.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
The true gospel comes from 3 angels in Rev 14.
Everything Satan is doing in these last days is focused on deception. The deception comes through counterfeits. A false religion, false Christ, false gospel. And to support this he uses miracles, through a counterfeit latter rain of the Holy Spirit.
The true rain from heaven came down at Pentecost in the form of tongues of fire upon the apostles in the upper room. The counterfeit latter rain is happening everywhere as we speak.

 

[veteran]

Veteran, I agree with you re the words from the mouth of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. They are a counterfeit trinity, and they are preaching a counterfeit gospel, and they are representing a counterfeit church.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
The true gospel comes from 3 angels in Rev 14.
Everything Satan is doing in these last days is focused on deception. The deception comes through counterfeits. A false religion, false Christ, false gospel. And to support this he uses miracles, through a counterfeit latter rain of the Holy Spirit.
The true rain from heaven came down at Pentecost in the form of tongues of fire upon the apostles in the upper room. The counterfeit latter rain is happening everywhere as we speak.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Veteran, I agree with you re the words from the mouth of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. They are a counterfeit trinity, and they are preaching a counterfeit gospel, and they are representing a counterfeit church.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
The true gospel comes from 3 angels in Rev 14.
Everything Satan is doing in these last days is focused on deception. The deception comes through counterfeits. A false religion, false Christ, false gospel. And to support this he uses miracles, through a counterfeit latter rain of the Holy Spirit.
The true rain from heaven came down at Pentecost in the form of tongues of fire upon the apostles in the upper room. The counterfeit latter rain is happening everywhere as we speak.

Orthodox Judaism has never believed in Trinitarianism. Trinitarianism was introduced by the newly converted Pagans, along with the Sunday Sabbath and Hell. And thats just the start.