[_ Old Earth _] The first living animal

[Heidi]

Re: god

Why is it that you have no problem accepting a God that always existed yet no evidence of his existance can be found yet you can't accept the possibility that life always existed even though we know that we exist?

What do you mean no evidence for God?

Read the Bible, it is proof of God's existance and great love and compassion for humanity.

I have a personal relationship with Jesus.

It is like me telling you that your father doesn't exist. :evil:

Our creation is also proof of God's existence because it still cannot be explained through human reasoning. That's called a miracle.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: god

Why is it that you have no problem accepting a God that always existed yet no evidence of his existance can be found yet you can't accept the possibility that life always existed even though we know that we exist?

What do you mean no evidence for God?

Read the Bible, it is proof of God's existance and great love and compassion for humanity.

I have a personal relationship with Jesus.

It is like me telling you that your father doesn't exist. :evil:

Our creation is also proof of God's existence because it still cannot be explained through human reasoning. That's called a miracle.

I have read the bible, probably more than you. It's that reading the bible which proves it was not written by him nor was it inspired by him. The creator of the universe (if there was one) would certainly be able to write a book with no errors and contradictions and everyone would understand it equally. There is absolutely nothing in it's pages that you can quote from that would lead one to believe that the God spoken about in the bible is one of love and compassion. Actually there are many examples of his overwhelming anger and revenge and if you can show me where God is one of compassion and love I would love to see it.(please cite verses for examples) Making the claim he gave his son for us doesn't quite do it for me because the scenario makes no sense as I have many times explained. There is absolutely no logic to God demanding the death of his own son so he wouldn't have to kill us , his beloved creation. What you want me to accept is that God had to kill himself to appease himself so he would not kill us in the end. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus , fine. If he talks to you great. I know my father exists because I saw him. If I never met my father nor anyone told me I had one I don't think I would assume that one existed. I am the product of many many generations of surviving cells and no evidence exists to prove otherwise.

 

[Solo]

Re: god

Why is it that you have no problem accepting a God that always existed yet no evidence of his existance can be found yet you can't accept the possibility that life always existed even though we know that we exist?

What do you mean no evidence for God?

Read the Bible, it is proof of God's existance and great love and compassion for humanity.

I have a personal relationship with Jesus.

It is like me telling you that your father doesn't exist. :evil:

Our creation is also proof of God's existence because it still cannot be explained through human reasoning. That's called a miracle.

I have read the bible, probably more than you. It's that reading the bible which proves it was not written by him nor was it inspired by him. The creator of the universe (if there was one) would certainly be able to write a book with no errors and contradictions and everyone would understand it equally. There is absolutely nothing in it's pages that you can quote from that would lead one to believe that the God spoken about in the bible is one of love and compassion. Actually there are many examples of his overwhelming anger and revenge and if you can show me where God is one of compassion and love I would love to see it.(please cite verses for examples) Making the claim he gave his son for us doesn't quite do it for me because the scenario makes no sense as I have many times explained. There is absolutely no logic to God demanding the death of his own son so he wouldn't have to kill us , his beloved creation. What you want me to accept is that God had to kill himself to appease himself so he would not kill us in the end. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus , fine. If he talks to you great. I know my father exists because I saw him. If I never met my father nor anyone told me I had one I don't think I would assume that one existed. I am the product of many many generations of surviving cells and no evidence exists to prove otherwise.

Then with that you have no purpose. Have a nice life, and when you meet the God of creation, don't start backflapping about him being the reason why you didn't believe.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: god

Then with that you have no purpose. Have a nice life, and when you meet the God of creation, don't start backflapping about him being the reason why you didn't believe.

You may say I have no purpose but I would disagree. I don't need a God as an excuse to get along with my neighbor. As I stated before IF there is God and IF there is a judgement based on doing good things he will judge me based on what I do not on what I have convinced my mind to believe that I know ain't so. Gulliblity is not a prerequisite for eternal life.

 

[Khristeeanos]

reznwerks,

The reason you don't accept the love of God is because you don't understand the nature of God.

It is really sad that you start your research with the end result already decided. It makes all your research biased and one sided.

Sort of like peace4all's "Moses" thread points out in the General Talk section.

Maybe we should discuss the nature of God as that may do more good than debating in this thread.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Re: god

Then with that you have no purpose. Have a nice life, and when you meet the God of creation, don't start backflapping about him being the reason why you didn't believe.

You may say I have no purpose but I would disagree. I don't need a God as an excuse to get along with my neighbor. As I stated before IF there is God and IF there is a judgement based on doing good things he will judge me based on what I do not on what I have convinced my mind to believe that I know ain't so. Gulliblity is not a prerequisite for eternal life.

Many of the most brilliant minds to ever exist have believed in God any most of them were Christians.

Believing in God does not make one gullible, it makes one honest with himself and what his gut tells him.

 

[Heidi]

If rezenwerks is so sure there is no God, then why is he here? We Christians already know what life is like without the Holy Spirit so he can teach us nothing. So again, why are you here, Rezenwerks? :o

 

[Solo]

Re: god

Then with that you have no purpose. Have a nice life, and when you meet the God of creation, don't start backflapping about him being the reason why you didn't believe.

You may say I have no purpose but I would disagree. I don't need a God as an excuse to get along with my neighbor. As I stated before IF there is God and IF there is a judgement based on doing good things he will judge me based on what I do not on what I have convinced my mind to believe that I know ain't so. Gulliblity is not a prerequisite for eternal life.

You only have purpose as a "product of many many generations of surviving cells" sets forth; to survive a physical existance of 1 to 100 years. Your only purpose is to survive, and after you do that for a few years you have no purpose.

When God asks you why you did not believe, you will resort to your bag of trick answers and blame him for not showing himself to you in a way that you deemed correct. Your problem is that you don't want God unless it is for your benefit. If God cannot fit into the box that you designed for him, then he isn't good enough and you do not want him. Your painting of God and his creation is warped, and will continue to be warped until you believe. After you believe, it all comes into view, that perfect picture of grace.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: god

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You only have purpose as a "product of many many generations of surviving cells" sets forth; to survive a physical existance of 1 to 100 years. Your only purpose is to survive, and after you do that for a few years you have no purpose.
Why does there have to be "purpose". That is mans requirement. What purpose was there for animals now extinct to have been? It is very possible and likely that there is no higher purpose for our existance. If man should disappear tomorrow I don't think the earth is going to pass away and the unverese someone cease to exist. Demanding that there be purpose to our existance is ego speaking and nothing more.

When God asks you why you did not believe, you will resort to your bag of trick answers and blame him for not showing himself to you in a way that you deemed correct.
I won't be relying on "tricks". I will stand there proudly and proclaim the brain you gave me told me the evidence was lacking and not to be believed.

Your problem is that you don't want God unless it is for your benefit. If God cannot fit into the box that you designed for him, then he isn't good enough and you do not want him. Your painting of God and his creation is warped, and will continue to be warped until you believe. After you believe, it all comes into view, that perfect picture of grace.
Why would someone not want God if he truly exists? Did you ever ask yourself that? If Christianity is true then why would anyone reject? Do you think that somehow you have info that has not quite gotten out and only if they knew could you save them? It's been 2000 years and one book. What more could you possibley put forth that has not already been talked about? Christianity has the best game in town if true. Tow the line , proclaim belief and wa la you get to live forever. What more could you ask for? As for me not wanting God unless it's for my benefit what more could I ask for than the example I just stated? God and theism isn't rejected because of the promises made it is rejected because the promises hold no water.

 

[Solo]

Re: god

You only have purpose as a "product of many many generations of surviving cells" sets forth; to survive a physical existance of 1 to 100 years. Your only purpose is to survive, and after you do that for a few years you have no purpose.

Why does there have to be "purpose". That is mans requirement. What purpose was there for animals now extinct to have been? It is very possible and likely that there is no higher purpose for our existance. If man should disappear tomorrow I don't think the earth is going to pass away and the unverese someone cease to exist. Demanding that there be purpose to our existance is ego speaking and nothing more.

If your understanding only goes as far as your physical makeup of cells, then you have no purpose, nor do you see need for purpose, therefore you will be rewarded accordingly, in this world and the next.
Being ignorant of ones purpose is to be living with the mindset of the beasts that have no soul.

When God asks you why you did not believe, you will resort to your bag of trick answers and blame him for not showing himself to you in a way that you deemed correct.

I won't be relying on "tricks". I will stand there proudly and proclaim the brain you gave me told me the evidence was lacking and not to be believed.

Exactly what I thought you would say. In spite of your intelligently designed makeup of cells over the generations of life, you will not be standing proudly telling God anything; you will be on your knees, trembling, and saying that Jesus is Lord.

Your problem is that you don't want God unless it is for your benefit. If God cannot fit into the box that you designed for him, then he isn't good enough and you do not want him. Your painting of God and his creation is warped, and will continue to be warped until you believe. After you believe, it all comes into view, that perfect picture of grace.

Why would someone not want God if he truly exists? Did you ever ask yourself that? If Christianity is true then why would anyone reject? Do you think that somehow you have info that has not quite gotten out and only if they knew could you save them? It's been 2000 years and one book. What more could you possibley put forth that has not already been talked about? Christianity has the best game in town if true. Tow the line , proclaim belief and wa la you get to live forever. What more could you ask for? As for me not wanting God unless it's for my benefit what more could I ask for than the example I just stated? God and theism isn't rejected because of the promises made it is rejected because the promises hold no water.

You refuse to believe because of your desire to live in the darkness as opposed to coming to the light. In the light you will be less than you are in the darkness. Your inadequacies are shown for what they are in the light, and you will have to depend on someone else (God) to make you someone who is worth anything. Your ego and pride refuse to allow something that you cannot see to define you as anything less than great. Your position in life is a figment in your own mind, but is lacking in reality. In your mind, you benefit by rejecting the light.

 

[Heidi]

If someone prefers to not look at eye-witness testimony as proof that someone else existed, then there is nothing you can do for them. Yet these same people believe the eye-witnesses to Caesar's life or any other figure in history. There is nothing you can do about this kind of irrationality.

 

[Charlie Hatchett]

Your correct Heidi.

Jesus is the most historicaly documented figure to date.

Most expert historians don't doubt his existence as a man a bit.

The dispute begins with His miraculous acts and His diety.

Peace

 

[army_of_juan]

If someone prefers to not look at eye-witness testimony as proof that someone else existed, then there is nothing you can do for them. Yet these same people believe the eye-witnesses to Caesar's life or any other figure in history. There is nothing you can do about this kind of irrationality.

Too bad none of these "eye-witnesses" wrote anything down, it's all second and third hand hearsay.

I don't doubt Jesus existed myself, but I don't doubt Muhammad or Joseph Smith existed either. Jesus is well known because the Bible is well known and the Bible is the only real document that mentions Jesus. Even Muhammad had scripts following him around writing everything down that he did. Too bad Jesus didn't do this.

 

[Solo]

If someone prefers to not look at eye-witness testimony as proof that someone else existed, then there is nothing you can do for them. Yet these same people believe the eye-witnesses to Caesar's life or any other figure in history. There is nothing you can do about this kind of irrationality.

Too bad none of these "eye-witnesses" wrote anything down, it's all second and third hand hearsay.

I don't doubt Jesus existed myself, but I don't doubt Muhammad or Joseph Smith existed either. Jesus is well known because the Bible is well known and the Bible is the only real document that mentions Jesus. Even Muhammad had scripts following him around writing everything down that he did. Too bad Jesus didn't do this.

Peter is an eye witness.
Matthew is an eye witness.
Mark is an eye witness.
John is an eye witness.
Paul is an eye witness as documented in the book of Acts on the road to Damascus.
James is an eye witness.
Jude is an eye witness.