[__ Science __ ] The Flood, what happened?

[reddogs]

What happened at the Flood, what forces where unleashed which only know are being understood in the immensity of its scale and power. Scientist are finding clues, but its a slow sledding as they say, as its tearing apart their favorite theory, evolution.

Let’s take a look at Genesis 1:9-10:
“9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good”, Genesis 1:9-10.

God gathered the waters together into “one place,” separate from the dry land of Earth, where He put the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, with all the trees and plants and the animals. So what happened to the dry land of the earth and all the things on it, in Noah’s time? Geologists have stumbled across clues that allow them to begin reconstructing the sequence of events which happened from what can only the Biblical Flood. What survived the Flood makes it possible to begin putting together the puzzle, using what we know today of the earth’s surface plates. Evidence indicates that the continents were broken from one piece and moved around, and crashed against the other plates, but the core pieces seem to have survived.

Geologists call the cores of these pieces “cratons” of which North America appears to be one of these cratons. They appear to have been joined together as one, as most scientist agree it was part of a major component of the earth’s supercontinent, but violent forces from below, unleashed during the Flood, tore them into many fragments. We see how the pieces fit, but to have forces that could do that is just incredible and hard to fathom. Was it the Biblical Flood and were the shifting pieces from this, the cause the resulting 'ring of fire'? Lots of questions that science may be ready to find the answers to.

 

[stovebolts]

What happened at the Flood, what forces where unleashed which only know are being understood in the immensity of its scale and power. Scientist are finding clues, but its a slow sledding as they say, as its tearing apart their favorite theory, evolution.

Let’s take a look at Genesis 1:9-10:
“9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good”, Genesis 1:9-10.

God gathered the waters together into “one place,” separate from the dry land of Earth, where He put the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, with all the trees and plants and the animals. So what happened to the dry land of the earth and all the things on it, in Noah’s time? Geologists have stumbled across clues that allow them to begin reconstructing the sequence of events which happened from what can only the Biblical Flood. What survived the Flood makes it possible to begin putting together the puzzle, using what we know today of the earth’s surface plates. Evidence indicates that the continents were broken from one piece and moved around, and crashed against the other plates, but the core pieces seem to have survived.

Geologists call the cores of these pieces “cratons” of which North America appears to be one of these cratons. They appear to have been joined together as one, as most scientist agree it was part of a major component of the earth’s supercontinent, but violent forces from below, unleashed during the Flood, tore them into many fragments. We see how the pieces fit, but to have forces that could do that is just incredible and hard to fathom. Was it the Biblical Flood and were the shifting pieces from this, the cause the resulting 'ring of fire'? Lots of questions that science may be ready to find the answers to.

Very well said! I hope I'm not jumping the gun here, if so I apologise

NIV
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Sounds to me like the underground water may have had something to do with ripping the Pangea into multiple continents.

 

[reddogs]

Very well said! I hope I'm not jumping the gun here, if so I apologise

NIV
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Sounds to me like the underground water may have had something to do with ripping the Pangea into multiple continents.

You are hitting it dead center. Geologist Antonio Snider-Pellegrini in 1859, noticed the jigsaw puzzle fit of North and South America with Europe and Africa if the Atlantic Ocean basin were closed up. He also read Genesis in the Bible and realized that the landmass God formed on Day 3 of the Creation Week was probably a supercontinent, which broke apart during the Flood and a continental shift opened up today’s Atlantic Ocean. Thus was born the catastrophic plate tectonics model, which provides a physical mechanism for the Flood. Speaking of underground water, take a look at this text:

Psalm 104:3
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:


Psalm 104:13
He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.

 

[Barbarian]

The continents are continuing to move, as they always have. The Atlantic ocean has been moving apart at the rate of several centimeters a year, for hundreds of millions of years. If Columbus were to make his trip today, he'd have to go an additional 10.5 meters to get there.

This is how geologists realized that Alfred Wegener was correct about moving continents. At the center of the Atlantic, magma is pushing up from the mantle, making new crust and pushing the old crust outward a few centimeters a year. Because the Earth's magnetic field shifts over time, analysis of the seafloor can tell us how old it is at any given point, and thereby know how long it's been spreading.

 

[tdidymas]

What happened at the Flood, what forces where unleashed which only know are being understood in the immensity of its scale and power. Scientist are finding clues, but its a slow sledding as they say, as its tearing apart their favorite theory, evolution.

Let’s take a look at Genesis 1:9-10:
“9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good”, Genesis 1:9-10.

God gathered the waters together into “one place,” separate from the dry land of Earth, where He put the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, with all the trees and plants and the animals. So what happened to the dry land of the earth and all the things on it, in Noah’s time? Geologists have stumbled across clues that allow them to begin reconstructing the sequence of events which happened from what can only the Biblical Flood. What survived the Flood makes it possible to begin putting together the puzzle, using what we know today of the earth’s surface plates. Evidence indicates that the continents were broken from one piece and moved around, and crashed against the other plates, but the core pieces seem to have survived.

Geologists call the cores of these pieces “cratons” of which North America appears to be one of these cratons. They appear to have been joined together as one, as most scientist agree it was part of a major component of the earth’s supercontinent, but violent forces from below, unleashed during the Flood, tore them into many fragments. We see how the pieces fit, but to have forces that could do that is just incredible and hard to fathom. Was it the Biblical Flood and were the shifting pieces from this, the cause the resulting 'ring of fire'? Lots of questions that science may be ready to find the answers to.

There is a big difference between what God might have done at the creation of the Earth, and what happened in the Noahic flood. Some people think "the Earth was divided" (Gen. 10) is talking about continental separation, but that idea is in error. The division of the Earth was in nations and languages, not continents and oceans. I don't believe in the continental drift theory, which I think is a stretch of imagination.

There's a big difference between designing a bridge to move an inch for relieving stresses, and moving that same bridge 1000 feet for a different reason. I hope you see my point.
TD

 

[Barbarian]

There is a big difference between what God might have done at the creation of the Earth, and what happened in the Noahic flood. Some people think "the Earth was divided" (Gen. 10) is talking about continental separation, but that idea is in error. The division of the Earth was in nations and languages, not continents and oceans.

I think that's what the scripture means, yes.

I don't believe in the continental drift theory, which I think is a stretch of imagination.

It's going on now, and we can measure the velocity. (a few centimeters a year, in most places) Columbus, if he made the trip today, would have to go about 100 yards further this time.

There's a big difference between designing a bridge to move an inch for relieving stresses, and moving that same bridge 1000 feet for a different reason. I hope you see my point.

No geologist accepted Wegener's theory of continental drift until they discovered mid-oceanic ridges, where new crust is being produced by the mantle, pushing the old crust outward.

 

[Clizby]

What happened at the Flood, what forces where unleashed which only know are being understood in the immensity of its scale and power. Scientist are finding clues, but its a slow sledding as they say, as its tearing apart their favorite theory, evolution.

Let’s take a look at Genesis 1:9-10:
“9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good”, Genesis 1:9-10.

God gathered the waters together into “one place,” separate from the dry land of Earth, where He put the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, with all the trees and plants and the animals. So what happened to the dry land of the earth and all the things on it, in Noah’s time? Geologists have stumbled across clues that allow them to begin reconstructing the sequence of events which happened from what can only the Biblical Flood. What survived the Flood makes it possible to begin putting together the puzzle, using what we know today of the earth’s surface plates. Evidence indicates that the continents were broken from one piece and moved around, and crashed against the other plates, but the core pieces seem to have survived.

Geologists call the cores of these pieces “cratons” of which North America appears to be one of these cratons. They appear to have been joined together as one, as most scientist agree it was part of a major component of the earth’s supercontinent, but violent forces from below, unleashed during the Flood, tore them into many fragments. We see how the pieces fit, but to have forces that could do that is just incredible and hard to fathom. Was it the Biblical Flood and were the shifting pieces from this, the cause the resulting 'ring of fire'? Lots of questions that science may be ready to find the answers to.

When do you think the flood happened?

 

[reddogs]

This is very good explanation of Noah's Flood and the resulting evidence across the world basically refuting Evolution.

 

[reddogs]

When do you think the flood happened?

I think the Bible shows it clearly

 

[kiwimacahau]

There was no world-wide flood.

 

[Barbarian]

There was no world-wide flood.

Right. The Bible never uses the Hebrew term for "world" in reference to the flood. It's always the term for "land" which means pretty much what it does in English.

 

[Quantrill]

Right. The Bible never uses the Hebrew term for "world" in reference to the flood. It's always the term for "land" which means pretty much what it does in English.

Wrong. The flood was universal. Over the whole earth. That same 'earth' God created in the beginning. (Gen. 1;1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

(Gen. 7:4) "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."

(Gen. 7:19-20) "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

(Gen. 7:22) "All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died."

What more needs to be said that the flood covered the entire earth?

Quantrill

 

[Barbarian]

Right. The Bible never uses the Hebrew term for "world" in reference to the flood. It's always the term for "land" which means pretty much what it does in English.

Wrong.

No, it's exactly right. "Erets" (used in the flood story) means "land." "Tebel" means "world."

The flood was universal. Over the whole earth.

I know you want to believe that. But it's not what scripture says.

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

Apparently, that particular land was pretty flat. A cubit in Israel was around 20 inches. So about 25 feet. Which is another reason we know it wasn't worldwide.

What more needs to be said that the flood covered the entire earth?

If God said that it did, it would be helpful. As you see, He doesn't say it covered the world.

 

[Truthfrees]

Wrong. The flood was universal. Over the whole earth. That same 'earth' God created in the beginning. (Gen. 1;1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

(Gen. 7:4) "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."

(Gen. 7:19-20) "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

(Gen. 7:22) "All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died."

What more needs to be said that the flood covered the entire earth?

Quantrill

great post - thanks

your points seem so straight forward

evolutionist thinking seems so twisted

 

[Quantrill]

Right. The Bible never uses the Hebrew term for "world" in reference to the flood. It's always the term for "land" which means pretty much what it does in English.


No, it's exactly right. "Erets" (used in the flood story) means "land." "Tebel" means "world."


I know you want to believe that. But it's not what scripture says.


Apparently, that particular land was pretty flat. A cubit in Israel was around 20 inches. So about 25 feet. Which is another reason we know it wasn't worldwide.


If God said that it did, it would be helpful. As you see, He doesn't say it covered the world.

It doesn't matter that the term 'world' is not used. The term 'earth' is used. The same as was created in the beginning. (Gen. 1:1)

It's exactly what Scripture says. See post #(13).

Who said anything about Israel? Are you trying to say Noah was in Israel? Oh man. Where do you get the idea that Noah was in Israel? Please.

God did say it. The Bible is the Word of God...isn't it? See again post #(13).

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

great post - thanks

your points seem so straight forward

evolutionist thinking seems so twisted

Your quite welcome.

Indeed it is twisted. It is full of unbelief.

Quantrill

 

[kiwimacahau]

What a load of nonsense.

 

[Barbarian]

It doesn't matter that the term 'world' is not used. The term 'earth' is used. The same as was created in the beginning.

As you learned, "erets" means "land." The term "earth" in the Flood story means a portion of land. Erets Israel, for example means the land of Israel. If the Lord mean "world", He would have said so, and used "tebel" the word for world. Instead, He used "erets" which means something quite different.

 

[Barbarian]

What a load of nonsense.

It depends on conflating the meaning of two different Hebrew words. Since God doesn't say the whole world was flooded, we really shouldn't add that to scripture.

 

[Quantrill]

As you learned, "erets" means "land." The term "earth" in the Flood story means a portion of land. Erets Israel, for example means the land of Israel. If the Lord mean "world", He would have said so, and used "tebel" the word for world. Instead, He used "erets" which means something quite different.

As I have learned, you pervert the Word of God. I asked you a question. Is the Bible the Word of God?

(Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

(Gen. 7:4) "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."

Same word is used for 'earth'.

Quantrill