The Gaza Conspiracy

[miamited]

Hey Milk-Drops
For the record, I'm with Alfred Persson on the definition of genocide. Inherent in the definition is 'destruction' of, not relocation of. Genocide, like suicide means that someone dies. To remove them would be more defined as an ethnic cleansing or resettlement. But each is free to define the terms as they will.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Hey Milk-Drops
For the record, I'm with Alfred Persson on the definition of genocide. Inherent in the definition is 'destruction' of, not relocation of. Genocide, like suicide means that someone dies. To remove them would be more defined as an ethnic cleansing or resettlement. But each is free to define the terms as they will.

That is fair.

 

[Alfred Persson]

That is fair.

Equity, Diversity, "fairness" are irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent to whether Trump's plan to relocate an implacable population (resulting in a much higher quality of life for them and the Jews), is "genocide".

To illustrate:
Equity, Diversity, "fairness" are irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent to the sweet and crunchy taste of an apple.

Free Speech results in better action only when the properties of the act are being discussed, never when the act is being missdefined and those presenting the idea labeled murders, racists, homophobes, fascists, nazis etc. ad nauseam.

Progressives avoid discussing the merits of people or ideas, choosing to missdefine words and ad hominem instead....because their "solutions" are not logical, practical and relevant to what actually causes the problem. They just "feel better" when solutions are "FAIR" as they define fairness.

For example, they actively discriminate unfairly against whites to achieve "equity" and "fairness" for blacks in business and education opportunity. They deem it "fair" and "equitable" to take money from whites who never owned slaves, and give it to blacks who never were enslaved, to "make reparation" for acts done by those who have long since died, to blacks who also long since died. Punishing the innocent to reward the meritless, is "fair" to them.

The Jews are the true Palestinians, read your Bible to verify that. Its their God given land.

The Roman Emperor Hadrian sought to erase the Jewish nation by renaming Israel "Palestine", and driving Jews out while inviting non-Jews in. Returning the land to Israel is part of the Messianic promise God gives through His Son Jesus.

I think it incredible darkness to side with the demonic forces that seek to destroy Israel, a total contradiction of the Christian faith. I am a Christian Zionist as I believe my Redeemer will come out of Heavenly Zion and Deliver earthly Zion to His people, Jew and Gentile who turn from their transgressions to Praise YHWH God.

20 "The Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob," Says the LORD.
21 "As for Me," says the LORD, "this is My covenant with them: My Spirit who is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your descendants, nor from the mouth of your descendants' descendants," says the LORD, "from this time and forevermore."

1 Arise, shine; For your light has come! And the glory of the LORD is risen upon you.
2 For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, And deep darkness the people; But the LORD will arise over you, And His glory will be seen upon you.
3 The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising.
4 "Lift up your eyes all around, and see: They all gather together, they come to you; Your sons shall come from afar, And your daughters shall be nursed at your side.
5 Then you shall see and become radiant, And your heart shall swell with joy; Because the abundance of the sea shall be turned to you, The wealth of the Gentiles shall come to you. (Isa. 59:20-60:5 NKJ)

 

[Milk-Drops]

Equity, Diversity, "fairness" are irrelevant,

I cut this because it is not addressing any of the points I made. I am not this progressive strawman you want to argue with. I am pointing out that the history surrounding Gaza since world War 2 is complex. That is it. The video is about how a woman heard people in authority between 65 to 70 years ago say death to Jews when since that time period there have been multiple complex political separations and agreements. The Cap David accords didn't even exist yet nor the Carter Doctrine. This would also predate the 6 years war that expanded into Gaza and the West Bank.

If you don't know the full scope of the history then ok. Your random skreed about leftists and progressives came out of no where.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I cut this because it is not addressing any of the points I made. I am not this progressive strawman you want to argue with. I am pointing out that the history surrounding Gaza since world War 2 is complex. That is it. The video is about how a woman heard people in authority between 65 to 70 years ago say death to Jews when since that time period there have been multiple complex political separations and agreements. The Cap David accords didn't even exist yet nor the Carter Doctrine. This would also predate the 6 years war that expanded into Gaza and the West Bank.

If you don't know the full scope of the history then ok. Your random skreed about leftists and progressives came out of no where.

Not a screed, all leftist revolutions in history...redefine history, and kill free speech with ad hominem. Redefinition of words the key tool to deflect from the causes of events.

Palestinian Muslims reject Israel's history, that Israel ever existed:

 

[Alfred Persson]

Not a screed, all leftist revolutions in history...redefine history, and kill free speech with ad hominem. Redefinition of words the key tool to deflect from the causes of events.

Palestinian Muslims reject Israel's history, that Israel ever existed:

In other words, by redefining all "faithful to God" as Muslim; they read about ancient Israel and believe Abaham David, Solomon etc. were Muslims, not Jews.

That is why they reject the Torah (and Bible) as written, claim its corrupted. It proves their redefinition bogus, as does the ancient Septuagint and all translations of the Bible that predate Mohammed.

M. Bareli says even "atheist former Muslims", still believe the redefinition of true Israel as Muslims. While some Muslims convert to Christianity and learn the truth, don't expect "secular Muslims" to agree Israel was a Jewish nation.

They don't believe Zionist Jews have any right to land, anywhere on earth. They reject Zionists of all flavors. That explains how "Jews for Palestine" can march with Palestinians at Columbia university without fear of being killed.

Only Zionists are the enemy. Non Zionist Christians and Jews can be subjugated, pay huge taxes and live in submission to Islamic authority. But still permitted to live.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Not a screed, all leftist revolutions in history...redefine history, and kill free speech with ad hominem. Redefinition of words the key tool to deflect from the causes of events.

Dang the redicaly left revolution of the USA to the British monarchy did all that.

Palestinian Muslims reject Israel's history, that Israel ever existed.

Got it, you are going to keep avoiding adressing anything I actually said.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Dang the redicaly left revolution of the USA to the British monarchy did all that.



Got it, you are going to keep avoiding adressing anything I actually said.

I addressed everything you said, especially misdefinition. The solution to the Palestinian/Islamic implacability is suggested at the very end of the video. Total defeat = "Muslim's confessing: Its God's will" (predestination)."

While I know Jesus's prophecy of the literal Temple of God's destruction, remains until His coming, that doesn't mean a literal Temple (without God's presence) will never be built. If Zionists build one, without destroying the Dome of Rock, it might end the endless war by convincing Muslim's "its God's will." Ironically, all forms of compromise like the "two state solution" will only achieve what Camp David did, endless war.

Only total Palestinian defeat/Iran Hezbollah/Houthis/Hamas/PLO defeat, will result in the Nation of Israel being at peace with her neighbors just as Ezekiel predicts will be the case, just before Gog and Magog attack.

8 "After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. (Ezek. 38:8 NKJ)

 

[Milk-Drops]

I addressed everything you said,

No you did not. Instead you attacked positions I dont hold and tanted about leftists.

You did not adress the camp David acords. You did not adress the carter doctrine. You did not adress the issues the British empire caused by promising the Islam nationals the dame land as the Jewish people post ww2
You dis not address the 6 years war. You have not addressed that the West Bank and Gazza are different geographical areas with the West Bank being Palestine proper and Gaza being former Egyptian land. Instead you are arguing that Israel should just take land that isn't Israel's because you just want them to.

especially misdefinition. The solution to the Palestinian/Islamic implacability is suggested at the very end of the video. Total defeat = "Muslim's confessing: Its God's will" (predestination)."

It won't happen because the people of Gaza don't Believe the same thing as Christians.

While I know Jesus's prophecy of the literal Temple of God's destruction, remains until His coming, that doesn't mean a literal Temple (without God's presence) will never be built. If Zionists build one, without destroying the Dome of Rock, it might end the endless war by convincing Muslim's "its God's will." Ironically, all forms of compromise like the "two state solution" will only achieve what Camp David did, endless war.

Or Israel could honor the Camp David Agreement and stop trying to expand I to Gaza and the West Bank.

Only total Palestinian defeat/Iran Hezbollah/Houthis/Hamas/PLO defeat, will result in the Nation of Israel being at peace with her neighbors just as Ezekiel predicts will be the case, just before Gog and Magog attack.

You are aware that the list of people you just put together are from different regions, with different goals right?

 

[Alfred Persson]

No you did not. Instead you attacked positions I dont hold and tanted about leftists.

You did not adress the camp David acords. You did not adress the carter doctrine. You did not adress the issues the British empire caused by promising the Islam nationals the dame land as the Jewish people post ww2
You dis not address the 6 years war. You have not addressed that the West Bank and Gazza are different geographical areas with the West Bank being Palestine proper and Gaza being former Egyptian land. Instead you are arguing that Israel should just take land that isn't Israel's because you just want them to.



It won't happen because the people of Gaza don't Believe the same thing as Christians.



Or Israel could honor the Camp David Agreement and stop trying to expand I to Gaza and the West Bank.


You are aware that the list of people you just put together are from different regions, with different goals right?

Missdefinitions was addressed. Didn't notice you also misframed the woman's video testimony about Palestines as pre Camp David. How did you get that? If you heard her: "only a child would think the dispute is about land", Arabs have the entire ME, Israel is a speck. She pointed out Jew hate was there before Israel existed.

No one cites the former British Empire's promises as why they fight today. Academia might list it, but such history is irrelevant to those blowing themselves up today.

And the other video concluded Isamic doctrine on "predestination" would result in Arabs confessing Islamic doctrine "Its God's Will" if Israel wins the war, and Arabs would stop fighting.

That may be naive, but its thinking outside of the Box and fits OT the solution of Total Victory achieves peace. Israel should try it, do Trump's plan, get the foreign immigrants out. Take over Biblical Gaza, its always been part of Israel, contrary to your misdefinitions.

4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, And Ashkelon desolate; They shall drive out Ashdod at noonday, And Ekron shall be uprooted.
5 Woe to the inhabitants of the seacoast, The nation of the Cherethites! The word of the LORD is against you, O Canaan, land of the Philistines: "I will destroy you; So there shall be no inhabitant."
6 The seacoast shall be pastures, With shelters for shepherds and folds for flocks.
7 The coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; They shall feed their flocks there; In the houses of Ashkelon they shall lie down at evening. For the LORD their God will intervene for them, And return their captives.
(Zeph. 2:4-7 NKJ)

 

[Milk-Drops]

Didn't notice you also misframed the woman's video testimony about Palestines as pre Camp David. How did you get that?

If you look up the source and her full talk on the subject the title is about her growing up in Gaza, not Palestine in the 1950s. This is shortly after the cival war and The camp David accords were not signed until the 70s. The talk is from the 90s. 30 to 40 years after the events. It's now been closer to 60 to 70 years.

If you heard her: "only a child would think the dispute is about land", Arabs have the entire ME, Israel is a speck. She pointed out Jew hate was there before Israel existed.

Yes which leafs to the other context of The British Empire promising the Arab nationalists and the Liberated Jewish people the same land. The British Empire then dumped this problem on the UN and washed their hands of it.

No one cites the former British Empire's promises as why they fight today. Academia might list it, but such history is irrelevant to those blowing themselves up today.

So understanding the context as to how this mess started, consider8ng the Cival war right after the formation, the 6 year war, and Netanyahu's expansions are all cited by Palestinian scholars and Hamas as to why there is so much unrest.

And the other video concluded Isamic doctrine on "predestination" would result in Arabs confessing Islamic doctrine "Its God's Will" if Israel wins the war, and Arabs would stop fighting.

If you only look at this from an extremely narrow view. The People in Gazza want the land they own, Hamas might want to expand, but the people are not Hamas as an entity.

That may be naive, but its thinking outside of the Box and fits OT the solution of Total Victory achieves peace. Israel should try it, do Trump's plan, get the foreign immigrants out. Take over Biblical Gaza, its always been part of Israel, contrary to your misdefinitions.

So invade the land, kill those that resist, misdefine the people living there as foreigners, and then let a very rich dude relocate the people so he can build a hotel that will just end up constantly get attacked by the Neighboring Egypt? That isn't peace. That is just brush8ng the problem under the rug until it comes back out.